Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 One of my relatives talked about using Aleo vera juice for treating cancer. I researched a bit on the internet and looks like it is effective against cancer. However I wanted to know how does it compare with Oleander. I believe Oleander would be much better than Aloe vera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Hi lyn,Actually, Oleander is the best thing you can do for cancer. It is over 90% effective against all types of cancer and, as far as I am concerned is a must. Oleander has cancer killing, tumor shrinking, and immune strengthening qualities. Although it is necessary to address cancer in all directions, changing one's lifestyle and using any other supplements or methods should be used while taking Oleander.Please read the Oleander Series of articles at the top right of:/articles.htmThe Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol , which incorporates oleander, has the best recommendations for supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes needed to address cancer. oleander soup , "lyn2007ash" <lyn2007ash wrote:>> One of my relatives talked about using Aleo vera juice for treating cancer. I researched a bit on the internet and looks like it is effective against cancer. However I wanted to know how does it compare with Oleander. I believe Oleander would be much better than Aloe vera.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 , where do you git this 90% figure from ,you have quoted it many times ,I would love to be able to look it up and do some notes ,as I havnt seen anythink on this site or the net,if that is fact every body like me would be lowering their psa ,I have been on oleander and all that tony recenamends for two months now and my psa has gone up from 7 to 12, people lives are at stake and we need all the facts we can git , regards alvin,. May <luellamay129oleander soup Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 4:32:16 AM Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander Hi lyn,Actually, Oleander is the best thing you can do for cancer. It is over 90% effective against all types of cancer and, as far as I am concerned is a must. Oleander has cancer killing, tumor shrinking, and immune strengthening qualities. Although it is necessary to address cancer in all directions, changing one's lifestyle and using any other supplements or methods should be used while taking Oleander.Please read the Oleander Series of articles at the top right of:http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htmThe Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol , which incorporates oleander, has the best recommendations for supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes needed to address cancer. oleander soup@ . com, "lyn2007ash" <lyn2007ash@. ..> wrote:>> One of my relatives talked about using Aleo vera juice for treating cancer. I researched a bit on the internet and looks like it is effective against cancer. However I wanted to know how does it compare with Oleander. I believe Oleander would be much better than Aloe vera.> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Thnaks . oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Hi lyn, > > Actually, Oleander is the best thing you can do for cancer. It is over > 90% effective against all types of cancer and, as far as I am concerned > is a must. Oleander has cancer killing, tumor shrinking, and immune > strengthening qualities. Although it is necessary to address cancer in > all directions, changing one's lifestyle and using any other supplements > or methods should be used while taking Oleander. > > Please read the Oleander Series of articles at the top right of: > > /articles.htm </articles.htm> > > The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol </anticancer.htm> > , which incorporates oleander, has the best recommendations for > supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes needed to address cancer. > > > > oleander soup , " lyn2007ash " <lyn2007ash@> > wrote: > > > > One of my relatives talked about using Aleo vera juice for treating > cancer. I researched a bit on the internet and looks like it is > effective against cancer. However I wanted to know how does it compare > with Oleander. I believe Oleander would be much better than Aloe vera. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Hi Alvin,Let me give you the following link on Oleander, specifically Sutherlandia OPC, from Cancer Tutor:http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Oleander.html And here is a link on case studies:/Oleander_Case_Reports_Studies.htm Also, have you read the Oleander Series of Articles on the top right of/articles.htm Two months is not a long time to be on Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. And sometimes markers go up before they go down. How much of the protocol are you doing, and what stage is your cancer? Are you paying careful attention to diet and have you eliminated sugar from your diet?Below are the results to be expected when taking Oleander. Yet, when the cancer is advanced it does take longer. This is a very individual thing. Oleander and The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol does not provide an instant cure. However, it is extremely effective and it takes time.S/OPC results to be expected The normal situation is the following: (a) The rate of growth of the tumor/s slows done (after 3 - 6 weeks) (b) The cancer stabilizes (after 6 - 10 weeks) © The tumor starts to reduce in size (10 - 16 weeks) Here it must be noted that sometimes there is only a slow decrease in size due to the fact that the bulk of the cells inside the tumor may be normal cells. So, even if al the tumor cells die, then the remainder of the normal cells will retain their size. The tumor/s may then become hard (encrusted) and may take a long time, even years to be re-absorbed by the body. (d) Patient in remission (8 - 12 months) All the above should take place PROVIDED one follows the suggested protocol especially the S/OPC, the NAC, the Curcumin and the restriction of animal proteins. oleander soup , Alvin Allcock <allcockalvin wrote:>> ,> where do you git this 90% figure from ,you have quoted it many times ,I would love to be able to look it up and do some notes ,as I havnt seen anythink on this site or the net,if that is fact every body like me would be lowering their psa ,I have been on oleander and all that tony recenamends for two months now and my psa has gone up from 7 to 12,> people lives are at stake and we need all the facts we can git ,> regards alvin,.> > > > > ________________________________> May luellamay129 oleander soup Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 4:32:16 AM> Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander> > > Hi lyn,> > Actually, Oleander is the best thing you can do for cancer. It is over 90% effective against all types of cancer and, as far as I am concerned is a must. Oleander has cancer killing, tumor shrinking, and immune strengthening qualities. Although it is necessary to address cancer in all directions, changing one's lifestyle and using any other supplements or methods should be used while taking Oleander.> > Please read the Oleander Series of articles at the top right of:> > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol , which incorporates oleander, has the best recommendations for supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes needed to address cancer. > > > > oleander soup, "lyn2007ash" lyn2007ash@ ..> wrote:> >> > One of my relatives talked about using Aleo vera juice for treating cancer. I researched a bit on the internet and looks like it is effective against cancer. However I wanted to know how does it compare with Oleander. I believe Oleander would be much better than Aloe vera.> >> > > > > > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere.> Show me how: http://au.mobile./mail> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Hi , I am taking the full protocol,no sugar and only a veg diet at this stage , I have looked at the links you spoke about ,they are success stories but not really a lot of Independent success stories written by each person himself ,And it doesnt answer my question their of where you got the 90% success rate from ,It give one the hope to go on if one can look at the real results and failures , as for myself my cancer is still in the prostate at this stage , regards Alvin May <luellamay129oleander soup Sent: Thursday, 23 July, 2009 1:19:11 AM Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander Hi Alvin,Let me give you the following link on Oleander, specifically Sutherlandia OPC, from Cancer Tutor:http://www.cancertu tor.com/Cancer02 /Oleander. html And here is a link on case studies:http://www.tbyil. com/Oleander_ Case_Reports_ Studies.htm Also, have you read the Oleander Series of Articles on the top right ofhttp://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm Two months is not a long time to be on Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. And sometimes markers go up before they go down. How much of the protocol are you doing, and what stage is your cancer? Are you paying careful attention to diet and have you eliminated sugar from your diet?Below are the results to be expected when taking Oleander. Yet, when the cancer is advanced it does take longer. This is a very individual thing. Oleander and The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol does not provide an instant cure. However, it is extremely effective and it takes time. S/OPC results to be expected The normal situation is the following: (a) The rate of growth of the tumor/s slows done (after 3 - 6 weeks) (b) The cancer stabilizes (after 6 - 10 weeks) © The tumor starts to reduce in size (10 - 16 weeks) Here it must be noted that sometimes there is only a slow decrease in size due to the fact that the bulk of the cells inside the tumor may be normal cells. So, even if al the tumor cells die, then the remainder of the normal cells will retain their size. The tumor/s may then become hard (encrusted) and may take a long time, even years to be re-absorbed by the body. (d) Patient in remission (8 - 12 months) All the above should take place PROVIDED one follows the suggested protocol especially the S/OPC, the NAC, the Curcumin and the restriction of animal proteins. oleander soup, Alvin Allcock <allcockalvin@ ...> wrote:>> ,> where do you git this 90% figure from ,you have quoted it many times ,I would love to be able to look it up and do some notes ,as I havnt seen anythink on this site or the net,if that is fact every body like me would be lowering their psa ,I have been on oleander and all that tony recenamends for two months now and my psa has gone up from 7 to 12,> people lives are at stake and we need all the facts we can git ,> regards alvin,.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> May luellamay129@ ...> oleander soup@ ...> Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 4:32:16 AM> Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander> > > Hi lyn,> > Actually, Oleander is the best thing you can do for cancer. It is over 90% effective against all types of cancer and, as far as I am concerned is a must. Oleander has cancer killing, tumor shrinking, and immune strengthening qualities. Although it is necessary to address cancer in all directions, changing one's lifestyle and using any other supplements or methods should be used while taking Oleander.> > Please read the Oleander Series of articles at the top right of:> > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol , which incorporates oleander, has the best recommendations for supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes needed to address cancer. > > > > oleander soup, "lyn2007ash" lyn2007ash@ ..> wrote:> >> > One of my relatives talked about using Aleo vera juice for treating cancer. I researched a bit on the internet and looks like it is effective against cancer. However I wanted to know how does it compare with Oleander. I believe Oleander would be much better than Aloe vera.> >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere.> Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Im new here so I dont know the stats, but I am equally as curious about the Stats. I often hear this more than 90% success rates also in German new Medicine , Budwig etc. I read somewhere that this group had 80ish cancer patient and only 3 have died so far? Thats 96.25% success rate if you count it that way. Jay On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Alvin Allcock<allcockalvin wrote: > > > Hi , > I am taking the full protocol,no sugar and only a veg diet > at this stage , > I have looked at the links you spoke about ,they are success stories but not > really a lot of Independent success stories written by each person himself > ,And it doesnt answer my question their of where you got the 90% success > rate from ,It give one the hope to go on if one can look at the real results > and failures , > as for myself my cancer is still in the prostate at this stage , > regards Alvin > > ________________________________ > May <luellamay129 > oleander soup > Thursday, 23 July, 2009 1:19:11 AM > Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander > > > > Hi Alvin, > > Let me give you the following link on Oleander, specifically Sutherlandia > OPC, from Cancer Tutor: > > http://www.cancertu tor.com/Cancer02 /Oleander. html > > And here is a link on case studies: > > http://www.tbyil. com/Oleander_ Case_Reports_ Studies.htm > > Also, have you read the Oleander Series of Articles on the top right of > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm > > Two months is not a long time to be on Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer > Protocol. And sometimes markers go up before they go down. > > How much of the protocol are you doing, and what stage is your cancer? Are > you paying careful attention to diet and have you eliminated sugar from your > diet? > > Below are the results to be expected when taking Oleander. Yet, when the > cancer is advanced it does take longer. This is a very individual thing. > Oleander and The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol does not provide an instant > cure. However, it is extremely effective and it takes time. > > S/OPC results to be expected > > The normal situation is the following: > > (a) The rate of growth of the tumor/s slows done (after 3 - 6 weeks) > > (b) The cancer stabilizes (after 6 - 10 weeks) > > © The tumor starts to reduce in size (10 - 16 weeks) > > Here it must be noted that sometimes there is only a slow decrease in size > due to the fact that the bulk of the cells inside the tumor may be normal > cells. So, even if al the tumor cells die, then the remainder of the normal > cells will retain their size. The tumor/s may then become hard (encrusted) > and may take a long time, even years to be re-absorbed by the body. > > (d) Patient in remission (8 - 12 months) > > All the above should take place PROVIDED one follows the suggested protocol > especially the S/OPC, the NAC, the Curcumin and the restriction of animal > proteins. > > oleander soup, Alvin Allcock <allcockalvin@ ...> > wrote: >> >> , >> where do you git this 90% figure from ,you have quoted it many >> times ,I would love to be able to look it up and do some notes ,as I havnt >> seen anythink on this site or the net,if that is fact every body like me >> would be lowering their psa ,I have been on oleander and all that tony >> recenamends for two months now and my psa has gone up from 7 to 12, >> people lives are at stake and we need all the facts we can git , >> regards alvin,. >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> May luellamay129@ ... >> oleander soup@ ... >> Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 4:32:16 AM >> Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander >> >> >> Hi lyn, >> >> Actually, Oleander is the best thing you can do for cancer. It is over >> 90% effective against all types of cancer and, as far as I am concerned is a >> must. Oleander has cancer killing, tumor shrinking, and immune >> strengthening qualities. Although it is necessary to address cancer in all >> directions, changing one's lifestyle and using any other supplements or >> methods should be used while taking Oleander. >> >> Please read the Oleander Series of articles at the top right of: >> >> http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm >> >> The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol , which incorporates oleander, has the >> best recommendations for supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes needed to >> address cancer. >> >> >> >> oleander soup, " lyn2007ash " lyn2007ash@ ..> wrote: >> > >> > One of my relatives talked about using Aleo vera juice for treating >> > cancer. I researched a bit on the internet and looks like it is effective >> > against cancer. However I wanted to know how does it compare with Oleander. >> > I believe Oleander would be much better than Aloe vera. >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi Jay,Actually, we have 1,379 members and our group has been in existence for over five years. To set the record straight, there have been two additional deaths within the past year. Both came to the group in the last stages of cancer. I corresponded with the daughter of one of these members during this painful time and found that this person was in hospice and had undergone years of extensive chemo and radiation. Their body and immune system was virtually destroyed, making any type of recovery impossible. From a bit of correspondence with the other party, this person was not using the entire protocol and was not taking oleander. Both were caregivers. So yes, these are pretty much the stats. Just in our group Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol has achieved tremendous success.My Best,oleander soup , J <stealth.entry wrote:>> Im new here so I dont know the stats, but I am equally as curious> about the Stats. I often hear this more than 90% success rates also in> German new Medicine , Budwig etc.> > I read somewhere that this group had 80ish cancer patient and only 3> have died so far? Thats 96.25% success rate if you count it that way.> > Jay> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi Alvin,By looking through the prior posts on Oleandersoup, you will be able to find success stories written by individual people. However, to make it simpler, in the near future, I will be going through the posts and picking out these testimonials to upload to our "files" section, together with compiling "Frequently Asked Questions." And this is on the top of my "to do" list when I get back home. By the way, I will be leaving for Texas on Tuesday evening.Your cancer being isolated to the prostate is good news. Again, everyone responds to Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol individually. On the average, it does take time, and two months is not a long time. The average of seeing results is two to three months. Let's see what your next test reflects. Sometimes at the beginning of using this protocol, before the markers start going down, they rise, and I am not sure of the specifics as to why. Maybe someone else can pop in with an explanation. In the meantime, I would welcome anyone to reply to this post with your personal testimony.My Best,oleander soup , Alvin Allcock <allcockalvin wrote:>> Hi ,> I am taking the full protocol,no sugar and only a veg diet at this stage ,> I have looked at the links you spoke about ,they are success stories but not really a lot of Independent success stories written by each person himself ,And it doesnt answer my question their of where you got the 90% success rate from ,It give one the hope to go on if one can look at the real results and failures ,> as for myself my cancer is still in the prostate at this stage ,> regards Alvin> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Hi , Their is only about 5 or 6 success stories ,with only one member who writes in reguler ,all the others are one offs stories ,nothing before or after these I find I would not trust these success stories only pams ,,A lot of members for such a small lot of results ,so their are no stats here with two failures as well however I will press on with my oleander taking for another three months and do another PSA test ,then best regards Alvin May <luellamay129oleander soup Sent: Thursday, 23 July, 2009 11:48:49 PM Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander Hi Jay,Actually, we have 1,379 members and our group has been in existence for over five years. To set the record straight, there have been two additional deaths within the past year. Both came to the group in the last stages of cancer. I corresponded with the daughter of one of these members during this painful time and found that this person was in hospice and had undergone years of extensive chemo and radiation. Their body and immune system was virtually destroyed, making any type of recovery impossible. From a bit of correspondence with the other party, this person was not using the entire protocol and was not taking oleander. Both were caregivers. So yes, these are pretty much the stats. Just in our group Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol has achieved tremendous success..My Best,oleander soup@ . com, J <stealth.entry@ ...> wrote:>> Im new here so I dont know the stats, but I am equally as curious> about the Stats. I often hear this more than 90% success rates also in> German new Medicine , Budwig etc.> > I read somewhere that this group had 80ish cancer patient and only 3> have died so far? Thats 96.25% success rate if you count it that way.> > Jay> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hi Alvin, Guess I need to write a success story. And if I haven't penned one for Tony I bet there are 100's of others that have not either. The other thing you will find is many if not most of us are on protocols we have built ourselves. Our regimens use all or a portion of Tony's but they include various other supplements, complements and intergrative prescriptions which makes it near impossible to give oleander the total credit. I'm pretty confident Tony would also tell you it takes a complete protocol (some get to be pretty complex) to get the job done. Bottom line is keep doing what your doing and don't be afraid to continue your personal research by adding new supplements and dropping others. This life we live is a work in progress. Good Luck & Good Health ################################################# Del ( 20 Year NHL Survivor ) 1989 "Malignant lymphoma, follicular and diffuse, small cleaved-cell type (Working formulation). Malignant lymphoma, poorly differentiated lymphocytic type, nodular and diffuse (Rappaport)." - Stage IV 1990 8xCHOP full remission confirmed. 1990 Exercise and supplement regimen began. 2005 Relapse - skin, lymph node above & below abdomen.2005 Alternate /complementary regimen began.2006 Remission2008 Ocular fNHL - Stage III2008 Alternative /complementary regimen began2009 Remission? - Watch & Wait ################################################# - Alvin Allcock oleander soup Friday, July 24, 2009 4:23 PM Re: Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander Hi , Their is only about 5 or 6 success stories ,with only one member who writes in reguler ,all the others are one offs stories ,nothing before or after these I find I would not trust these success stories only pams ,,A lot of members for such a small lot of results ,so their are no stats here with two failures as well however I will press on with my oleander taking for another three months and do another PSA test ,then best regards Alvin May <luellamay129oleander soup Sent: Thursday, 23 July, 2009 11:48:49 PM Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander Hi Jay,Actually, we have 1,379 members and our group has been in existence for over five years. To set the record straight, there have been two additional deaths within the past year. Both came to the group in the last stages of cancer. I corresponded with the daughter of one of these members during this painful time and found that this person was in hospice and had undergone years of extensive chemo and radiation. Their body and immune system was virtually destroyed, making any type of recovery impossible. From a bit of correspondence with the other party, this person was not using the entire protocol and was not taking oleander. Both were caregivers. So yes, these are pretty much the stats. Just in our group Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol has achieved tremendous success..My Best,oleander soup, J <stealth.entry@ ...> wrote:>> Im new here so I dont know the stats, but I am equally as curious> about the Stats. I often hear this more than 90% success rates also in> German new Medicine , Budwig etc.> > I read somewhere that this group had 80ish cancer patient and only 3> have died so far? Thats 96.25% success rate if you count it that way.> > Jay> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 You are confirming what I am saying ,I am not looking for just success stories ,but also peoples protocols,or any that have taken Tonys protocols and have had success, I think Tony works very hard to try and prove oleanders success along with his protocol as well ,and I am prepared to give it a go and report my progress as I go along , now with 1300 odd members in the group I think if their is a lot of others members sitting on the sidelines and not saying what they have done to cure their cancer ,what are they doing in this group (crows on the fence) the idea of the group I believe is to swap ideas and beat this think , we will never know if oleander works or anythink else if everyone is a crow , I am sorry to sound off but what is tony working so hard for ,He is not giting enough support from you 1300 members , I know I talk in a rough manner but I come from a old school and I dont care what people think , Alvin Del at Dri-Wash <deloleander soup Sent: Saturday, 25 July, 2009 12:35:19 PMRe: Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander Hi Alvin, Guess I need to write a success story. And if I haven't penned one for Tony I bet there are 100's of others that have not either. The other thing you will find is many if not most of us are on protocols we have built ourselves. Our regimens use all or a portion of Tony's but they include various other supplements, complements and intergrative prescriptions which makes it near impossible to give oleander the total credit. I'm pretty confident Tony would also tell you it takes a complete protocol (some get to be pretty complex) to get the job done. Bottom line is keep doing what your doing and don't be afraid to continue your personal research by adding new supplements and dropping others. This life we live is a work in progress. Good Luck & Good Health ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### # Del ( 20 Year NHL Survivor ) 1989 "Malignant lymphoma, follicular and diffuse, small cleaved-cell type (Working formulation) . Malignant lymphoma, poorly differentiated lymphocytic type, nodular and diffuse (Rappaport). " - Stage IV 1990 8xCHOP full remission confirmed. 1990 Exercise and supplement regimen began. 2005 Relapse - skin, lymph node above & below abdomen.2005 Alternate /complementary regimen began.2006 Remission2008 Ocular fNHL - Stage III2008 Alternative /complementary regimen began2009 Remission? - Watch & Wait ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### # - Alvin Allcock oleander soup Friday, July 24, 2009 4:23 PM Re: Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander Hi , Their is only about 5 or 6 success stories ,with only one member who writes in reguler ,all the others are one offs stories ,nothing before or after these I find I would not trust these success stories only pams ,,A lot of members for such a small lot of results ,so their are no stats here with two failures as well however I will press on with my oleander taking for another three months and do another PSA test ,then best regards Alvin May <luellamay129@ >oleander soupThursday, 23 July, 2009 11:48:49 PM Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander Hi Jay,Actually, we have 1,379 members and our group has been in existence for over five years. To set the record straight, there have been two additional deaths within the past year. Both came to the group in the last stages of cancer. I corresponded with the daughter of one of these members during this painful time and found that this person was in hospice and had undergone years of extensive chemo and radiation. Their body and immune system was virtually destroyed, making any type of recovery impossible. From a bit of correspondence with the other party, this person was not using the entire protocol and was not taking oleander. Both were caregivers. So yes, these are pretty much the stats. Just in our group Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol has achieved tremendous success..My Best,oleander soup@ . com, J <stealth.entry@ ...> wrote:>> Im new here so I dont know the stats, but I am equally as curious> about the Stats. I often hear this more than 90% success rates also in> German new Medicine , Budwig etc.> > I read somewhere that this group had 80ish cancer patient and only 3> have died so far? Thats 96.25% success rate if you count it that way.> > Jay> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I hear you, Alvin - and I too wish that more people would post their success and/or progress (both pro and con). However, ifyou were to go back and look at the thousands of messages here you would find much more than just 5 or 6 success stories. Now, what do I base my figures on you ask? First of all, Marc Swanepoel's figures for Sutherlandia OPC, whose cancer success he attributes mainly to the oleander content as well as the other suggestions in his protocol (all of which are in my more extensive protocol). I am not sure what his latest figures are - but I can tell you that out of the first 300 plus people in South Africa who used S/OPC for cancer for the first five years, only eight failed to survive. Three were literally in their final few days and ravaged by the cancer and the chemo and/or radiation they had previously undergone. Another five had also previously undergone chemo and succumbed to liver failure as a likely result of the damage from the chemo. All the rest are alive. Two people did have cancer return after the stopped taking the S/OPC and reverted to their old habits - but both of them began the S/OPC protocol again and at last report are still alive. Keep in mind that those figures cover a wide range of cancers and stages and include a great many people who first used mainstream treatments. With my more comprehensive protocol I would expect at least as good of results and as far as I can tell, those who utilize at least a good portion of the protocol are having such success. Dr. Ozel himself has had an overall success rate of over 70% for several thousand cancer patients over the past 40 plus years - and that was without any additional protocol other than oleander. Also, because of the similar laws in Turkey governing medical treatment he could only use oleander after chemo and/or radiation options had been exhausted or else use it as a complimentary treatment If you want to see additional success stories and case reports, I suggest you visit the Oleander and Cancer support forums on CureZone. All the best, oleander soup , Alvin Allcock <allcockalvin wrote:>> You are confirming what I am saying ,I am not looking for just success stories ,but also peoples protocols,or any that have taken Tonys protocols and have had success,> I think Tony works very hard to try and prove oleanders success along with his protocol as well ,and I am prepared to give it a go and report my progress as I go along ,> now with 1300 odd members in the group I think if their is a lot of others members sitting on the sidelines and not saying what they have done to cure their cancer ,what are they doing in this group (crows on the fence)> the idea of the group I believe is to swap ideas and beat this think ,> we will never know if oleander works or anythink else if everyone is a crow ,> I am sorry to sound off but what is tony working so hard for ,He is not giting enough support from you 1300 members ,> I know I talk in a rough manner but I come from a old school and I dont care what people think ,> Alvin > > > > > > ________________________________> Del at Dri-Wash del oleander soup > Saturday, 25 July, 2009 12:35:19 PM> Re: Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander> > > Hi Alvin,> > Guess I need to write a success story. And if I haven't penned one for Tony I bet there are 100's of others that have not either. The other thing you will find is many if not most of us are on protocols we have built ourselves. Our regimens use all or a portion of Tony's but they include various other supplements, complements and intergrative prescriptions which makes it near impossible to give oleander the total credit. I'm pretty confident Tony would also tell you it takes a complete protocol (some get to be pretty complex) to get the job done.> > Bottom line is keep doing what your doing and don't be afraid to continue your personal research by adding new supplements and dropping others. This life we live is a work in progress.> > Good Luck & Good Health> > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### #> > Del ( 20 Year NHL Survivor )> > 1989 "Malignant lymphoma, follicular and > diffuse, small cleaved-cell type (Working > formulation) . Malignant lymphoma, poorly > differentiated lymphocytic type, nodular > and diffuse (Rappaport). " - Stage IV> > 1990 8xCHOP full remission confirmed. > 1990 Exercise and supplement regimen began. > 2005 Relapse - skin, lymph node above & below> abdomen.> 2005 Alternate /complementary regimen began.> 2006 Remission> 2008 Ocular fNHL - Stage III> 2008 Alternative /complementary regimen began> 2009 Remission? - Watch & Wait> > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### #> > - > >Alvin Allcock > >oleander soup > >Friday, July 24, 2009 4:23 PM> >Re: Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander> >> >> >Hi ,> > Their is only about 5 or 6 success stories ,with only one member who writes in reguler ,all the others are one offs stories ,nothing before or after these I find I would not trust these success stories only pams ,,A lot of members for such a small lot of results ,so their are no stats here with two failures as well> >however I will press on with my oleander taking for another three months and do another PSA test ,then > >best regards Alvin > >> >> >> >> ________________________________> May <luellamay129@ >> >oleander soup> >Thursday, 23 July, 2009 11:48:49 PM> > Re: Aloe vera Juice Vs Oleander> >> > > >Hi Jay,> >> >Actually, we have 1,379 members and our group has been in existence for over five years. To set the record straight, there have been two additional deaths within the past year. Both came to the group in the last stages of cancer. I corresponded with the daughter of one of these members during this painful time and found that this person was in hospice and had undergone years of extensive chemo and radiation. Their body and immune system was virtually destroyed, making any type of recovery impossible. From a bit of correspondence with the other party, this person was not using the entire protocol and was not taking oleander. Both were caregivers. > >> >So yes, these are pretty much the stats. Just in our group Oleander and the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol has achieved tremendous success..> >> >My Best,> >> >> >oleander soup, J <stealth.entry@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> Im new here so I dont know the stats, but I am equally as curious> >> about the Stats. I often hear this more than 90% success rates also in> >> German new Medicine , Budwig etc.> >> > >> I read somewhere that this group had 80ish cancer patient and only 3> >> have died so far? Thats 96.25% success rate if you count it that way.> >> > >> Jay> >> > >> >> >________________________________> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. > > > > > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere.> Show me how: http://au.mobile./mail> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hi Alvin,I do understand your concerns and I believe Tony has just responded to them. But do continue to press on with Oleander and the protocol. You are covering all the bases and I believe that you will start seeing positive results in the near future. Please do keep us posted.My Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 My mom just started with Oleander about 2 weeks ago. Her appetite returned, shes now a lot better and stronger than before. Now is that due to just Oleander? Probably not. She is undergoing immunotherapy and taking in dozens of medications only the Alternative MD knows about. We are also healing her not just on the biochemical level , but also on the psychological and spiritual levels i.e. Hypnosis, EFT, QiGong. She was too much of a pessimist and without realizing it she has been sabotaging the treatments on a subconscious level. The MD fortunately appreciates that (mind-body connection), corrected her attitude which is probably why she is seeing all these gains! If you googled for Stephen Parkhill you'll see he has had amazing successes curing cancers just clearing past trauma through hypnosis. If you look into German New Medicine by Dr.Hamer, they also claim high 90% success rates also just clearing the emotional trauma of the cancer patient. For QIGong heres the best video i've seen. It shrinks tumors in seconds! But ordinarily,regular people can cure their cancer months. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGIN0G9JFss Gerson protocol, which is my favorite also boast high success rates. We are working up to that point where we can add that along, but the case studies you can find at gerson.org I think the unspoken rule with people going the ALternative route is to try everything, see what works and keep doing it! No 2 patients are identical in their situations, so ultimately people can only give hints on what worked for them, but it wont be guaranteed to work exactly as well for you. But to get those hints I've found curezone.org indispensable. Pack in anything and everything that is compatible, check for results and discard what fails. Jay G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 It seems to me it is close to impossible for anyone to say they have been cured of cancer. I would hazard a guess that many on this list have sworn off doctors altogether and are just sticking to the alternative therapies of their choosing to heal them. Many of the tests are of dubious benefit, and there is evidence that much of the imaging that is done actually causes or increases cancer risk. It is hard for a person like this to speak up and say they have cured their cancer, although they may be able to say they were given so long to live and are still alive this much later.. I would imagine there are many on this list trying to educate themselves either for personal benefit or that of loved ones, and there are most likely many more like myself that don't have cancer and are using the oleander to repair immune system damage caused by HIV. I have started too recently to be able to give a testimony, and I am doing so many other things including heavy doses of essential oils that I won't be able to say how big a part oleander has played in my healing. I am certain however that is is a big contributor and don't expect to stop taking it as long as I have HIV. Daniel On 7/26/09, J <stealth.entry wrote: > My mom just started with Oleander about 2 weeks ago. Her appetite > returned, shes now a lot better and stronger than before. > > Now is that due to just Oleander? Probably not. She is undergoing > immunotherapy and taking in dozens of medications only the > Alternative MD knows about. > > We are also healing her not just on the biochemical level , but also > on the psychological and spiritual levels i.e. Hypnosis, EFT, QiGong. > She was too much of a pessimist and without realizing it she has been > sabotaging the treatments on a subconscious level. The MD fortunately > appreciates that (mind-body connection), corrected her attitude which > is probably why she is seeing all these gains! > > If you googled for Stephen Parkhill you'll see he has had amazing > successes curing cancers just clearing past trauma through hypnosis. > If you look into German New Medicine by Dr.Hamer, they also claim high > 90% success rates also just clearing the emotional trauma of the > cancer patient. > > > For QIGong heres the best video i've seen. It shrinks tumors in > seconds! But ordinarily,regular people can cure their cancer months. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGIN0G9JFss > > Gerson protocol, which is my favorite also boast high success rates. > We are working up to that point where we can add that along, but the > case studies you can find at gerson.org > > I think the unspoken rule with people going the ALternative route is > to try everything, see what works and keep doing it! > > No 2 patients are identical in their situations, so ultimately people > can only give hints on what worked for them, but it wont be guaranteed > to work exactly as well for you. But to get those hints I've found > curezone.org indispensable. > > Pack in anything and everything that is compatible, check for results > and discard what fails. > > Jay G. > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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