argyria prevention

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Hi,

 

Someone recently made a post about certain nutrients to take to prevent argyria.

I don't remember who or when. I don't remember what post it was in. If someone

could tell me the info I am seeking, I would really be grateful. How many people

have used colloidal silver over the years and of those how many have developed

argyria? That is something one never hears. I know that the condition must be

extremely rare.

 

Thanks,

Jay

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look for the " argyria cured " at www.silvermedicine.org

 

many thousands use it regularly, and for going on a couple decades of the

most recent popularity of the LVDC EIS/CS, and nobody gets argyria from

clear, unaldulterated EIS/CS AFAIK.

 

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> oleander soup

> oleander soup On Behalf Of Jay

> Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:21 AM

> oleander soup

> argyria prevention

>

> Hi,

>

> Someone recently made a post about certain nutrients to take

> to prevent argyria. I don't remember who or when. I don't

> remember what post it was in. If someone could tell me the

> info I am seeking, I would really be grateful. How many

> people have used colloidal silver over the years and of those

> how many have developed argyria? That is something one never

> hears. I know that the condition must be extremely rare.

>

> Thanks,

> Jay

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Hi Jay,The only cases of argyria found are rare and are the result of poorly homemade silver, very often using salt.I have used colloidal silver from http://www.utopiasilver.com for about 3 1/2 years now, sometimes, such as now, in goodly amounts (three ounces daily). Otherwise, I take one tablespoon a day. There is no fear or possibility of argyria with colloidal silver from Utopia Silver, not to mention, their silver is the highest quality that you can get. oleander soup , "Jay" <jplas9999 wrote:>> Hi,> > Someone recently made a post about certain nutrients to take to prevent argyria. I don't remember who or when. I don't remember what post it was in. If someone could tell me the info I am seeking, I would really be grateful. How many people have used colloidal silver over the years and of those how many have developed argyria? That is something one never hears. I know that the condition must be extremely rare.> > Thanks,> Jay>

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The whole argyria thing is mostly a mainstream scare story to keep people away from a safe, more effective and less expensive alternative to the patented antibiotics they reap billions in profits from each year.

MILLIONS of people use colloidal and ionic silver - so where are all the tribes of smurffs? Stay away from extremely high particle silver artificially suspended in protein (skin loves protein), silver nitrate and home made silver that was made with tap water and contaminated with salt and consumed daily in over a quart amounts for months (as blue man Paul Karason did) and you will have no problems.

For more information, see:

Colloidal Silver has Mainstream Medicine "Singing the Blues"

/colloidalsilverblues.htm

oleander soup , "Jay" <jplas9999 wrote:>> Hi,> > Someone recently made a post about certain nutrients to take to prevent argyria. I don't remember who or when. I don't remember what post it was in. If someone could tell me the info I am seeking, I would really be grateful. How many people have used colloidal silver over the years and of those how many have developed argyria? That is something one never hears. I know that the condition must be extremely rare.> > Thanks,> Jay>

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Thanks , Tony, Bob and others,

 

I know that most of this is scare tactics. Scare tactics because CS works and

big pharma and the AMA and others that make a living on keeping others' sick

don't like anything that threatens their strangle hold on the gullible public.

Yet as with anything it is best to be careful:

Since we began our project nearly ten years ago, we have been adamant about the

purity principle in colloidal silver production. The ideal silver solution ( or

" EIS - electrically Isolated silver " ) should consist of positively charged

silver ions and minute, negatively charged silver particles ( or clusters of

particles with a zeta potential ), properly isolated by molecules of pure water

-- and nothing else! Home brew products containing more than roughtly 13 PPM

violate this 'principle', as well as all products that are actually highly

concentrated compounds, such as all silver salts and silver acids.

The above is from silvermedicine.org. Utopia silver has 20 PPM. Would using one

of their generators make silver that is less than 13 PPM?

 

Thanks again,

Jay

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I sent an mail to Silvermedicine asking about the argyria cures they list.One thing I had noticed was that there were no commenters at Eytons' Earth indicating that they had been cured of argyria by the posted formula. Jason Eaton was kind enough to send the response below that I would like to share with the list. (At the end of this post) The cure used by Dr. Grace Ziem is discussed a little more at Eytons' Earth and it may be that it is possible to sweat the silver out.

There is also a site claiming that EDTA can reverse argyria. I previously sent an email to the site listing EDTA as a cure for argyria but as yet I have not received a response.

In my opinion there is no proven cure for argyria and argyla is greatly under reported. On another silver list I to the subject of argyia came up and I was surprised at the number of cases of argyria just on that list. Two people had colored faces and necks. A good number had localized argyria that predominantly consisted of blue moons under the fingernails. Argyria is usually first indicated by blue under the fingernails. Most of the people used properly made EIS but for various reasons used large amounts of EIS (1 qt or more) daily for several years. The belief that there is some special type of colloidal silver that cannot cause argyria is not true. The people reporting on the other list know how to make good EIS but carelessness in using EIS can lead to argyria.

I have done some research into this but have not commented because I did not want to cause a stir. But I think a little better understanding of the processing of silver in the body would be useful for any user of CS. I can identify the studies from which the following information was derived but will not now for the sake of brevity.

The best place to start is answering the question of how much silver can the body excrete in a day. If you exceed that amount continuously of a period of time, the excess will be deposited in the tissues of the body. A study of 34 individuals that had maximun levels of silver in their body due to occupational hazards provided a very good determination of what the max daily excretion of silver is. And that amount is 1 mg of silver per day. Another important discovery was how the silver is processed out of the body. Roughly 99.8% of the silver is excreted by the liver with the bile. This is called the biliary excretion path. This is important to know because a sub par liver or a blockage of the bile, for example by a gallstone, will impact the body's ability to get rid of silver and can lead to silver accumulation in the tissues.

The 1 mg of silver that the body can process per day equates to a liter of 1 ppm CS. Or to 3.4 oz at 10 ppm. This does not mean that you cannot take more than 3.4 oz of 10 ppm CS per day since not all the silver you take actually enters the bloodstream unless you take it intraveniously. Studies have shown that only about 10% of ths silver taken orally actually enters the bloodstream. This would mean that you can take up to 34 oz 10 ppm CS per day (or 17 oz of 20 ppm CS) if only 10% is absorbed into the blood.

One concern large takers of CS should have is exactly how accurate that 10% estimate is. That percentage was determined years ago before the appearance of subnanometer and near subnanometer particle CS. It may be that subnanometer silver is more bioavailable that the old larger particle silver. Actually, it is almost certain to be so. If you are using large amounts of the newer subnanometer silver, you should use less than the amounts suggested above to account for the increased bioavailability of the silver in the CS. Hopefully the supplier of the CS can provide the bioavailability percentage of their CS or a recommended max usage number to you.

There is a lot more to this issue than I have described above but I hope what I provided is understandable and useful. I am out of time now but in another post I will discuss the importance of selenium and Vitamin E in silver excretion.

 

- Steve

 

 

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Jason R Eaton [research] Friday, July 17, 2009 9:03 AMNorton, SteveRe: Argyria Cured

 

Hi Steve:

 

I am no longer in communication with the individuals who reversed argyria. Please note that two of the three cases found cures independently of each other, with common denominators.

 

Also note, that for years some medical doctors who were more research oriented than practice oriented have commented that substances like selenium should theoretically work to bind and "sweep out" silver bound in tissues. I came across comments such as these ten years ago. However, nobody had developed a protocol.

 

The first case was the individual that had syphilis in his brain.

 

The second case was a metal smith, a friend of mine, who had severe argyria and metal toxicity. He was treated at John Hopkins Center for Environmental Medicine by Dr. Grace Ziem ( now retired ). Dr. Grace Ziem came up with the same ingredients that the original argyria sufferer had; yet independently. Dr. Ziem's protocol was much more extensive, including steam sauna baths and other supplements which my friend could not directly recall.

 

Yes, the protocol listed at Eytons' Earth is the same one.

 

I also have reports of two individuals who have visibly lessened the greyness of the skin within about three months of using the protocol. One stopped because she was upset that the grey was disappearing from her hands but not her neck. One I eventually lost communication with just due to the pace of life; she reported that the mild case of argyria on her face was lessening.

 

However, I also have one individual who claims the formula has not worked at all over a six month period; but in all honestly, I could not see the argyria at all in the original pictures she sent, so I can only trust her judgment.

 

Therefore, at this point, I do not believe that the argyria cure will work for everyone, but I also have no doubt that it can be reversed. If nothing more, the article and the forum link can provide a foundation for further research; a starting point.

 

I have never met anyone with argyria who has been willing to publically admit it, or allow me to use their images or personal information.

 

I wish I had further information to share; as I do get reliable information, I will do updates.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Jason

 

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oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of bob LarsonThursday, July 16, 2009 7:40 AMoleander soup Subject: RE: argyria prevention

look for the "argyria cured" at www.silvermedicine.org many thousands use it regularly, and for going on a couple decades of themost recent popularity of the LVDC EIS/CS, and nobody gets argyria fromclear, unaldulterated EIS/CS AFAIK.> > oleander soup > oleander soup On Behalf Of Jay> Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:21 AM> oleander soup > argyria prevention> > Hi,> > Someone recently made a post about certain nutrients to take > to prevent argyria. I don't remember who or when. I don't > remember what post it was in. If someone could tell me the > info I am seeking, I would really be grateful. How many > people have used colloidal silver over the years and of those > how many have developed argyria? That is something one never > hears. I know that the condition must be extremely rare.> > Thanks,> Jay

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real interesting Steve. thanks.

 

i esp appreciate the info that the silver is processed out via the liver/gall bladder. al the more reason to get going with some flushes. i'd somehow thought most was peed out... i know i have to pee within minutes after downing a shot of CS (or any other water)

 

i agree there's no one kind of CS that won't cause argyria, and that silver in must = silver out. any other claims are probably false. some CS might have a lot of particle sizes or compounds that are more likely to get lodged in tissues...so some kinds can surely be problematic. there's so many theories around of how silver can accumulate and why, but ???

 

that 10% figure is sure a variable. much to affect it. however, based on your explanation i remain feeling safe with taking in my 3-6 oz/day of 15-20ppm homebrew... for sure as long as i also take in the "argyria cure" daily.

 

wonder what ozone water or peroxide do to silver in the system? the first thought is "oxidize it - create oxides" but it might not be that simple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Norton, SteveFriday, July 17, 2009 7:41 PMoleander soup Subject: RE: argyria prevention

 

I sent an mail to Silvermedicine asking about the argyria cures they list.One thing I had noticed was that there were no commenters at Eytons' Earth indicating that they had been cured of argyria by the posted formula. Jason Eaton was kind enough to send the response below that I would like to share with the list. (At the end of this post) The cure used by Dr. Grace Ziem is discussed a little more at Eytons' Earth and it may be that it is possible to sweat the silver out.

There is also a site claiming that EDTA can reverse argyria. I previously sent an email to the site listing EDTA as a cure for argyria but as yet I have not received a response.

In my opinion there is no proven cure for argyria and argyla is greatly under reported. On another silver list I to the subject of argyia came up and I was surprised at the number of cases of argyria just on that list. Two people had colored faces and necks. A good number had localized argyria that predominantly consisted of blue moons under the fingernails. Argyria is usually first indicated by blue under the fingernails. Most of the people used properly made EIS but for various reasons used large amounts of EIS (1 qt or more) daily for several years. The belief that there is some special type of colloidal silver that cannot cause argyria is not true. The people reporting on the other list know how to make good EIS but carelessness in using EIS can lead to argyria.

I have done some research into this but have not commented because I did not want to cause a stir. But I think a little better understanding of the processing of silver in the body would be useful for any user of CS. I can identify the studies from which the following information was derived but will not now for the sake of brevity.

The best place to start is answering the question of how much silver can the body excrete in a day. If you exceed that amount continuously of a period of time, the excess will be deposited in the tissues of the body. A study of 34 individuals that had maximun levels of silver in their body due to occupational hazards provided a very good determination of what the max daily excretion of silver is. And that amount is 1 mg of silver per day. Another important discovery was how the silver is processed out of the body. Roughly 99.8% of the silver is excreted by the liver with the bile. This is called the biliary excretion path. This is important to know because a sub par liver or a blockage of the bile, for example by a gallstone, will impact the body's ability to get rid of silver and can lead to silver accumulation in the tissues.

The 1 mg of silver that the body can process per day equates to a liter of 1 ppm CS. Or to 3.4 oz at 10 ppm. This does not mean that you cannot take more than 3.4 oz of 10 ppm CS per day since not all the silver you take actually enters the bloodstream unless you take it intraveniously. Studies have shown that only about 10% of ths silver taken orally actually enters the bloodstream. This would mean that you can take up to 34 oz 10 ppm CS per day (or 17 oz of 20 ppm CS) if only 10% is absorbed into the blood.

One concern large takers of CS should have is exactly how accurate that 10% estimate is. That percentage was determined years ago before the appearance of subnanometer and near subnanometer particle CS. It may be that subnanometer silver is more bioavailable that the old larger particle silver. Actually, it is almost certain to be so. If you are using large amounts of the newer subnanometer silver, you should use less than the amounts suggested above to account for the increased bioavailability of the silver in the CS. Hopefully the supplier of the CS can provide the bioavailability percentage of their CS or a recommended max usage number to you.

There is a lot more to this issue than I have described above but I hope what I provided is understandable and useful. I am out of time now but in another post I will discuss the importance of selenium and Vitamin E in silver excretion.

 

- Steve

 

 

_______

Jason R Eaton [research] Friday, July 17, 2009 9:03 AMNorton, SteveRe: Argyria Cured

 

Hi Steve:

 

I am no longer in communication with the individuals who reversed argyria. Please note that two of the three cases found cures independently of each other, with common denominators.

 

Also note, that for years some medical doctors who were more research oriented than practice oriented have commented that substances like selenium should theoretically work to bind and "sweep out" silver bound in tissues. I came across comments such as these ten years ago. However, nobody had developed a protocol.

 

The first case was the individual that had syphilis in his brain.

 

The second case was a metal smith, a friend of mine, who had severe argyria and metal toxicity. He was treated at John Hopkins Center for Environmental Medicine by Dr. Grace Ziem ( now retired ). Dr. Grace Ziem came up with the same ingredients that the original argyria sufferer had; yet independently. Dr. Ziem's protocol was much more extensive, including steam sauna baths and other supplements which my friend could not directly recall.

 

Yes, the protocol listed at Eytons' Earth is the same one.

 

I also have reports of two individuals who have visibly lessened the greyness of the skin within about three months of using the protocol. One stopped because she was upset that the grey was disappearing from her hands but not her neck. One I eventually lost communication with just due to the pace of life; she reported that the mild case of argyria on her face was lessening.

 

However, I also have one individual who claims the formula has not worked at all over a six month period; but in all honestly, I could not see the argyria at all in the original pictures she sent, so I can only trust her judgment.

 

Therefore, at this point, I do not believe that the argyria cure will work for everyone, but I also have no doubt that it can be reversed. If nothing more, the article and the forum link can provide a foundation for further research; a starting point.

 

I have never met anyone with argyria who has been willing to publically admit it, or allow me to use their images or personal information.

 

I wish I had further information to share; as I do get reliable information, I will do updates.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Jason

 

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There is an Argyria list, with a very small membership. I joined because I

research the pros and cons of EVERYTHING before I use it or give it to anyone

else. There seem to be only 3 or 4 members who actually have argyria. They

discuss how to get it removed with laser treatments, which do work.

 

However, they are extremely strident and anti-alternative mnedicine. They main

person states that she used only small amounts of a well-known brand for only a

short period of time. They get extremely agitated if anyone states an opposing

position.

 

I did ask how many people on the forum actually had argyria, and from whar types

of silver, and how much they took, and for how long.

 

I didn't get too many answers. The main person there claims to know scads of

people with argyria but apparently their condition is so traumatic to them that

they do not wish to make themselves known or discuss their issues...

 

Very angry tone to the lot.

 

~Jill~

 

PS I sighted someone who looked like Rosemary Jacobs, in the grocery store. She

does live in Vermont.

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Hmmm......... I've come across mainstream forums with this type of attitude. The fact that they are against alternative medicine says quite a bit.

I would be interested to know what the well known brand is. I will venture to guess that it was a mixture that may have included salt and some sort of animal proteins.

I will emphasize that it is impossible to get argyria with quality colloidal silver. The article below explains argyria in detail.

/colloidalsilverblues.htm

Hugs,

 

oleander soup , "lillisilly" <evangelnet wrote:>> There is an Argyria list, with a very small membership. I joined because I research the pros and cons of EVERYTHING before I use it or give it to anyone else. There seem to be only 3 or 4 members who actually have argyria. They discuss how to get it removed with laser treatments, which do work. > > However, they are extremely strident and anti-alternative mnedicine. They main person states that she used only small amounts of a well-known brand for only a short period of time. They get extremely agitated if anyone states an opposing position. > > I did ask how many people on the forum actually had argyria, and from whar types of silver, and how much they took, and for how long. > > I didn't get too many answers. The main person there claims to know scads of people with argyria but apparently their condition is so traumatic to them that they do not wish to make themselves known or discuss their issues...> > Very angry tone to the lot. > > ~Jill~> > PS I sighted someone who looked like Rosemary Jacobs, in the grocery store. She does live in Vermont.>

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It sounds to me like it is pretty much a "red herring" kind of group. Since I have worked with so many, many people who have used colloidal silver and I know the owners of the two largest and most effective makers of colloidal silver, you would think that between the three of us we would know quite a few "blue people" if colloidal silver actually turned you blue. We don't know of a single person who has taken properly made uncontaminated colloidal silver or ionic silver either who has ever turned blue as a result. Not one! Since millions of people around the world use colloidal and ionic silver, where are all the tribes of Smurffs?

If you want to turn blue, use tap water and add salt and drink it by the quart daily for months on end - or use copius amounts of large particle silver products with huge PPM that are arificially suspended in animal protein. Or you could do like Rosemary Jacobs and use a mainstream nasal spray prescribed by a mainstream doctor containing silver nitrate and proceed to overuse it for years. Otherwise, you could scarcely turn yourself blue from 20 PPM colloidal silver if you tried.

I smell a mainstream rat . . .

oleander soup , "lillisilly" <evangelnet wrote:>> There is an Argyria list, with a very small membership. I joined because I research the pros and cons of EVERYTHING before I use it or give it to anyone else. There seem to be only 3 or 4 members who actually have argyria. They discuss how to get it removed with laser treatments, which do work. > > However, they are extremely strident and anti-alternative mnedicine. They main person states that she used only small amounts of a well-known brand for only a short period of time. They get extremely agitated if anyone states an opposing position. > > I did ask how many people on the forum actually had argyria, and from whar types of silver, and how much they took, and for how long. > > I didn't get too many answers. The main person there claims to know scads of people with argyria but apparently their condition is so traumatic to them that they do not wish to make themselves known or discuss their issues...> > Very angry tone to the lot. > > ~Jill~> > PS I sighted someone who looked like Rosemary Jacobs, in the grocery store. She does live in Vermont.>