Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

[Guest guest]

Hey all,

 

I am a recent r of this forum and have been on curezone for over a year

now and have learned so much about cancer prevention and how to remain healthy.

 

I do not have cancer but am fighting a vicious battle with Candida and am using

colloidal silver and just started on Sutherlandia OPC in hopes I can rid myself

of this plague!

 

My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that

will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it

was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the

vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to

combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful of

this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone

use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health

back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want

to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

 

Can anyone help with this question?

 

Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

 

Mike

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike!Welcome to Oleandersoup!You heard right and yes, you must have read the post on Curezone. Colloidal silver would be mandatory should there be forced vaccinations. Actually, I suggest that everyone should take colloidal silver daily as a preventative for everything.In the meantime, this is the link in Curezone that I believe you were referring to. http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1450747 oleander soup , "giunta.mike" <giunta.mike wrote:>> Hey all,> > I am a recent r of this forum and have been on curezone for over a year now and have learned so much about cancer prevention and how to remain healthy.> > I do not have cancer but am fighting a vicious battle with Candida and am using colloidal silver and just started on Sutherlandia OPC in hopes I can rid myself of this plague!> > My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!> > Can anyone help with this question?> > Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!> > Mike>

[Guest guest]

Thanks and glad you are feeling better!!!!

 

Mike

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> Hi Mike!

>

> Welcome to Oleandersoup!

>

> You heard right and yes, you must have read the post on Curezone.

> Colloidal silver would be mandatory should there be forced vaccinations.

> Actually, I suggest that everyone should take colloidal silver daily as

> a preventative for everything.

>

> In the meantime, this is the link in Curezone that I believe you were

> referring to.

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1450747

> <http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1450747>

>

>

>

> oleander soup , " giunta.mike " <giunta.mike@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hey all,

> >

> > I am a recent r of this forum and have been on curezone for

> over a year now and have learned so much about cancer prevention and how

> to remain healthy.

> >

> > I do not have cancer but am fighting a vicious battle with Candida and

> am using colloidal silver and just started on Sutherlandia OPC in hopes

> I can rid myself of this plague!

> >

> > My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu

> vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing

> somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give

> in and accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking

> colloidal silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really

> see this? I am so fearful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was

> damaged from years of fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin,

> Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health back to where I want it

> by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged

> again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

> >

> > Can anyone help with this question?

> >

> > Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike

 

I wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To Minimize Harmful Effects

that gives some suggestions about how to minimize the harmful toxins of

vaccinations.

 

I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case vaccinations

are forced. I do not think this

will happen and I get very dismayed with all the hype and fear being portrayed

by many even in natural medicine.

Certainly we must always be prepared for anything, but fear almost

always causes decisions that are regretted later. And those who are fearful can usually be

talked into doing just about anything…..all governments know this.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

 

 

 

My question as the subject thread states is about the

Swine Flu vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing

somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and

accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal

silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so

fearful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of

fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally

getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb

MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for

greed's sake!

 

Can anyone help with this question?

 

Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This forced vaccination will never happen. Not because of humanitarian reasons, but for legal reasons. When the government paid for and provided voluntary vaccinations for the swine flue (I think) years ago, there were a handful (comparatively) of deaths and robust law suits. They discontinued the program. They got badly burnt on that one. Forced vaccination would have them slapped with so much legal action they would fold before the thing even got started. This thing is basically internet paranoia.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphieroleander soup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:31:23 PMRE: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

Hi MikeI wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To Minimize Harmful Effects that gives some suggestions about how to minimize the harmful toxins of vaccinations.I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case vaccinations are forced. I do not think this will happen and I get very dismayed with all the hype and fear being portrayed by many even in natural medicine. Certainly we must always be prepared for anything, but fear almost always causes decisions that are regretted later. And those who are fearful can usually be talked into doing just about anything…..all governments know

this.Be WellDr.L

 

 

My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

 

Can anyone help with this question?

 

Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]



Mike,

 

Are you aware that the Bush administration gave blanket immunity to all vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits due to adverse effects, injury, and death? The consumer is unable to sue in case of injury now.

 

Bob

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:47 PM

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

This forced vaccination will never happen. Not because of humanitarian reasons, but for legal reasons. When the government paid for and provided voluntary vaccinations for the swine flue (I think) years ago, there were a handful (comparatively) of deaths and robust law suits. They discontinued the program. They got badly burnt on that one. Forced vaccination would have them slapped with so much legal action they would fold before the thing even got started. This thing is basically internet paranoia.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphieroleander soup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:31:23 PMRE: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

Hi MikeI wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To Minimize Harmful Effects that gives some suggestions about how to minimize the harmful toxins of vaccinations.I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case vaccinations are forced. I do not think this will happen and I get very dismayed with all the hype and fear being portrayed by many even in natural medicine. Certainly we must always be prepared for anything, but fear almost always causes decisions that are regretted later. And those who are fearful can usually be talked into doing just about anything…..all governments know this.Be WellDr.L

 

 

My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

 

Can anyone help with this question?

 

Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That doesn't matter. The government itself can be sued for this type of thing. It has already happened.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbaneveroleander soup Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:07:52 PMRe: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 Mike,

 

Are you aware that the Bush administration gave blanket immunity to all vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits due to adverse effects, injury, and death? The consumer is unable to sue in case of injury now.

 

Bob

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:47 PM

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

This forced vaccination will never happen. Not because of humanitarian reasons, but for legal reasons. When the government paid for and provided voluntary vaccinations for the swine flue (I think) years ago, there were a handful (comparatively) of deaths and robust law suits. They discontinued the program. They got badly burnt on that one. Forced vaccination would have them slapped with so much legal action they would fold before the thing even got started. This thing is basically internet paranoia.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@oasisadv ancedwellness. com>oleander soupWednesday, July 15, 2009 9:31:23 PMRE: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

Hi MikeI wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To Minimize Harmful Effects that gives some suggestions about how to minimize the harmful toxins of vaccinations.I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case vaccinations are forced. I do not think this will happen and I get very dismayed with all the hype and fear being portrayed by many even in natural medicine. Certainly we must always be prepared for anything, but fear almost always causes decisions that are regretted later. And those who are fearful can usually be talked into doing just about anything…..all governments know

this.Be WellDr.L

 

 

My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

 

Can anyone help with this question?

 

Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Don't hold your breath on getting much money or action from suing the government. Do you really think the threat of a lawsuit would stop the government from doing whatever it wished to do? It certainly has not stopped them from trampling all over our Constitution and our unalienable rights. I have to disagree with you on this one, Mike. Lawsuits and potentially harmful vaccinations have not stopped the mandatory vaccinations of our schoolchildren, including the states that have mandated Gardasil jabs for young school girls, and they are not likely to stop andatory vaccinations either. And they are already announcing the likelihood of flu vaccinations for all the school children, followed by the elderly and then the rest of the population.

The pharmaceutical companies have a long, long and dirty track record of knowingly marketing drugs that cause harm and, not only do I not think that the threat of lawsuits would bother them in the least on vaccines, the chances are good that they would be exempted from lawsuits by our lovely government.

When it comes to how the government mandates our healthcare and many other clearly unconstitutional measures that have eroded our liberty, such as the Patriot Act, there are a great many things going on now that people once would have never imagined happening in this country of the so-called free. I daresay that if anyone had warned about such things in years past, they too would have been accused of a form of paranoia.

The coming swine flu vaccinations may never be completely mandatory, but the way has certainly been paved to do just that:

The Project BioShield Act of 2004 (S. 15) became law on July 21, 2004 "to provide protections and countermeasures against chemical, radiological, or nuclear agents that may be used in a terrorist attack against the United States by giving the National Institutes of Health contracting flexibility, infrastructure improvements, and expediting the scientific peer review process, and streamlining the Food and Drug Administration approval process of countermeasures."

In other words, the FDA may now recklessly approve inadequately tested, potentially dangerous vaccines and other drugs if ever the Secretaries of Health and Human Services (HHS) or Defense (DOD) declare a national emergency, whether or not one exists and regardless of whether treatments available are safe and effective. Around $6 billion or more will be spent to develop, produce, and stockpile vaccines and other drugs to counteract claimed bioterror agents.

The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act slipped under the radar when George Bush signed it into law as part of the 2006 Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863). It lets the HHS Secretary declare any disease an epidemic or national emergency requiring mandatory vaccinations. Nothing in the Act lists criteria that warrant a threat. Also potential penalties aren't specified for those who balk, but very likely they'd include quarantine and possible fines.

The HHS web site also says the Secretary may "issue a declaration....that provides immunity from tort liability (except for willful misconduct) for claims of loss caused, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from administration or use of (vaccine or other pharmaceutical) countermeasures to diseases, threats and conditions determined by the Secretary to constitute a present, or credible risk of a future public health emergency...."

The industry-run US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) notoriously rushes inadequately tested drugs to market, putting their efficacy and safety into question, and turning those who use them into lab rats. It includes everyone if a mass vaccination is ordered on the mere claim of a public emergency - no proof required.

The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (S. 3678) is the other worrisome law, effective December 19, 2006. It amended "the Public Health Service Act with respect to public health security and all-hazards preparedness and response, and for other purposes." Even its supporters worry about issues of privacy, liability, and putting profits over public health. Critics express greater concerns about dangerous remedies for exaggerated or non-existant threats as well as mass hysteria created for political purposes.

Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/

You know, the Jews and others denied the possibility of the holocaust too and thought that was pretty farfetched and paranoical - right up to the point that any of them were led to the doorstep of the gas chambers, as did many other victims of genocides before them. No matter how farfetched one may believe mandatory vaccinations to be, I would not advise anyone to be in complete denial right up to the time they start lining people up for their jabs.

I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but I hope as many as possible at least take precautions "just in case".

All the best,

Tonyoleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote:>> That doesn't matter. The government itself can be sued for this type of thing. It has already happened.> > Mike

[Guest guest]

It sounds like there will be a brisk " black " market in forged documentation of

vaccination.

Where do I sign up?

Ted

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> Don't hold your breath on getting much money or action from suing the

> government. Do you really think the threat of a lawsuit would stop the

> government from doing whatever it wished to do? It certainly has not

> stopped them from trampling all over our Constitution and our

> unalienable rights.

> I have to disagree with you on this one, Mike. Lawsuits and potentially

> harmful vaccinations have not stopped the mandatory vaccinations of our

> schoolchildren, including the states that have mandated Gardasil jabs

> for young school girls, and they are not likely to stop andatory

> vaccinations either. And they are already announcing the likelihood of

> flu vaccinations for all the school children, followed by the elderly

> and then the rest of the population.

>

> The pharmaceutical companies have a long, long and dirty track record of

> knowingly marketing drugs that cause harm and, not only do I not think

> that the threat of lawsuits would bother them in the least on vaccines,

> the chances are good that they would be exempted from lawsuits by our

> lovely government.

>

> When it comes to how the government mandates our healthcare and many

> other clearly unconstitutional measures that have eroded our liberty,

> such as the Patriot Act, there are a great many things going on now that

> people once would have never imagined happening in this country of the

> so-called free. I daresay that if anyone had warned about such things

> in years past, they too would have been accused of a form of paranoia.

>

> The coming swine flu vaccinations may never be completely mandatory, but

> the way has certainly been paved to do just that:

>

> The Project BioShield Act of 2004 (S. 15) became law on July 21, 2004

> " to provide protections and countermeasures against chemical,

> radiological, or nuclear agents that may be used in a terrorist attack

> against the United States by giving the National Institutes of Health

> contracting flexibility, infrastructure improvements, and expediting the

> scientific peer review process, and streamlining the Food and Drug

> Administration approval process of countermeasures. "

>

> In other words, the FDA may now recklessly approve inadequately tested,

> potentially dangerous vaccines and other drugs if ever the Secretaries

> of Health and Human Services (HHS) or Defense (DOD) declare a national

> emergency, whether or not one exists and regardless of whether

> treatments available are safe and effective. Around $6 billion or more

> will be spent to develop, produce, and stockpile vaccines and other

> drugs to counteract claimed bioterror agents.

>

> The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act slipped under

> the radar when George Bush signed it into law as part of the 2006

> Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863). It lets the HHS Secretary declare

> any disease an epidemic or national emergency requiring mandatory

> vaccinations. Nothing in the Act lists criteria that warrant a threat.

> Also potential penalties aren't specified for those who balk, but very

> likely they'd include quarantine and possible fines.

>

> The HHS web site also says the Secretary may " issue a

> declaration....that provides immunity from tort liability (except for

> willful misconduct) for claims of loss caused, arising out of, relating

> to, or resulting from administration or use of (vaccine or other

> pharmaceutical) countermeasures to diseases, threats and conditions

> determined by the Secretary to constitute a present, or credible risk of

> a future public health emergency.... "

>

> The industry-run US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) notoriously

> rushes inadequately tested drugs to market, putting their efficacy and

> safety into question, and turning those who use them into lab rats. It

> includes everyone if a mass vaccination is ordered on the mere claim of

> a public emergency - no proof required.

>

> The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (S. 3678) is the other

> worrisome law, effective December 19, 2006. It amended " the Public

> Health Service Act with respect to public health security and

> all-hazards preparedness and response, and for other purposes. " Even its

> supporters worry about issues of privacy, liability, and putting profits

> over public health. Critics express greater concerns about dangerous

> remedies for exaggerated or non-existant threats as well as mass

> hysteria created for political purposes.

>

> Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/ <http://www.globalresearch.ca/>

>

> You know, the Jews and others denied the possibility of the holocaust

> too and thought that was pretty farfetched and paranoical - right up to

> the point that any of them were led to the doorstep of the gas chambers,

> as did many other victims of genocides before them. No matter how

> farfetched one may believe mandatory vaccinations to be, I would not

> advise anyone to be in complete denial right up to the time they start

> lining people up for their jabs.

>

> I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but I hope as many as

> possible at least take precautions " just in case " .

>

> All the best,

>

> > oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86@>

> wrote:

> >

> > That doesn't matter. The government itself can be sued for this

> type of thing. It has already happened.

> >

> > Mike

>

[Guest guest]

The insistance that a thing is mandatory and the demonstration that it, in fact is, are two different things. Though authority figures routinely claim that school vaccinations are mandatory, they, in reality never "walk the walk" in my experience. For over 20 years I've seen this over and over in Illinois. Many of my patients have not had vaccinations for their school aged children. Neither have they resorted to subterfuge via claims of religious exemptions, etc. In every single case the school boards back off when their bluff is called. No one wants to be personally responsible for excluding a kid from school. People are allergic to law suits. Tony, you attribute way too much intestinal fortitude to politicians. I've never seen them

stick to their story. The same happened with my wife when she was getting a Master's degree at a state university. They insisted that it was "the law" that she had to have vaccinations she told them to put their money where their mouths were and they backed down mumbling that it was "on her". She went through the program with no further problems.

These politicians are mostly cowards and mostly bumblers. They take the path of least resistance.

Time will tell, I suppose. I doubt if much of anything will come of this.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Tony oleander soup Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:30:50 PM Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

Don't hold your breath on getting much money or action from suing the government. Do you really think the threat of a lawsuit would stop the government from doing whatever it wished to do? It certainly has not stopped them from trampling all over our Constitution and our unalienable rights. I have to disagree with you on this one, Mike. Lawsuits and potentially harmful vaccinations have not stopped the mandatory vaccinations of our schoolchildren, including the states that have mandated Gardasil jabs for young school girls, and they are not likely to stop andatory vaccinations either. And they are already announcing the likelihood of flu vaccinations for all the school children, followed by the elderly and then the rest of the population.

The pharmaceutical companies have a long, long and dirty track record of knowingly marketing drugs that cause harm and, not only do I not think that the threat of lawsuits would bother them in the least on vaccines, the chances are good that they would be exempted from lawsuits by our lovely government.

When it comes to how the government mandates our healthcare and many other clearly unconstitutional measures that have eroded our liberty, such as the Patriot Act, there are a great many things going on now that people once would have never imagined happening in this country of the so-called free. I daresay that if anyone had warned about such things in years past, they too would have been accused of a form of paranoia.

The coming swine flu vaccinations may never be completely mandatory, but the way has certainly been paved to do just that:

The Project BioShield Act of 2004 (S. 15) became law on July 21, 2004 "to provide protections and countermeasures against chemical, radiological, or nuclear agents that may be used in a terrorist attack against the United States by giving the National Institutes of Health contracting flexibility, infrastructure improvements, and expediting the scientific peer review process, and streamlining the Food and Drug Administration approval process of countermeasures. "

In other words, the FDA may now recklessly approve inadequately tested, potentially dangerous vaccines and other drugs if ever the Secretaries of Health and Human Services (HHS) or Defense (DOD) declare a national emergency, whether or not one exists and regardless of whether treatments available are safe and effective. Around $6 billion or more will be spent to develop, produce, and stockpile vaccines and other drugs to counteract claimed bioterror agents.

The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act slipped under the radar when George Bush signed it into law as part of the 2006 Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863). It lets the HHS Secretary declare any disease an epidemic or national emergency requiring mandatory vaccinations. Nothing in the Act lists criteria that warrant a threat. Also potential penalties aren't specified for those who balk, but very likely they'd include quarantine and possible fines.

The HHS web site also says the Secretary may "issue a declaration. ...that provides immunity from tort liability (except for willful misconduct) for claims of loss caused, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from administration or use of (vaccine or other pharmaceutical) countermeasures to diseases, threats and conditions determined by the Secretary to constitute a present, or credible risk of a future public health emergency... ."

The industry-run US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) notoriously rushes inadequately tested drugs to market, putting their efficacy and safety into question, and turning those who use them into lab rats. It includes everyone if a mass vaccination is ordered on the mere claim of a public emergency - no proof required.

The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (S. 3678) is the other worrisome law, effective December 19, 2006. It amended "the Public Health Service Act with respect to public health security and all-hazards preparedness and response, and for other purposes." Even its supporters worry about issues of privacy, liability, and putting profits over public health. Critics express greater concerns about dangerous remedies for exaggerated or non-existant threats as well as mass hysteria created for political purposes.

Source: http://www.globalre search.ca/

You know, the Jews and others denied the possibility of the holocaust too and thought that was pretty farfetched and paranoical - right up to the point that any of them were led to the doorstep of the gas chambers, as did many other victims of genocides before them. No matter how farfetched one may believe mandatory vaccinations to be, I would not advise anyone to be in complete denial right up to the time they start lining people up for their jabs.

I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but I hope as many as possible at least take precautions "just in case".

All the best,

Tonyoleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:>> That doesn't matter. The government itself can be sued for this type of thing. It has already happened.> > Mike

[Guest guest]



Ah... I see. Not an easy task, but necessary. Thanks.

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:25 PM

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

That doesn't matter. The government itself can be sued for this type of thing. It has already happened.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbaneveroleander soup Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:07:52 PMRe: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 Mike,

 

Are you aware that the Bush administration gave blanket immunity to all vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits due to adverse effects, injury, and death? The consumer is unable to sue in case of injury now.

 

Bob

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:47 PM

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

This forced vaccination will never happen. Not because of humanitarian reasons, but for legal reasons. When the government paid for and provided voluntary vaccinations for the swine flue (I think) years ago, there were a handful (comparatively) of deaths and robust law suits. They discontinued the program. They got badly burnt on that one. Forced vaccination would have them slapped with so much legal action they would fold before the thing even got started. This thing is basically internet paranoia.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@oasisadv ancedwellness. com>oleander soupWednesday, July 15, 2009 9:31:23 PMRE: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

Hi MikeI wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To Minimize Harmful Effects that gives some suggestions about how to minimize the harmful toxins of vaccinations.I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case vaccinations are forced. I do not think this will happen and I get very dismayed with all the hype and fear being portrayed by many even in natural medicine. Certainly we must always be prepared for anything, but fear almost always causes decisions that are regretted later. And those who are fearful can usually be talked into doing just about anything…..all governments know this.Be WellDr.L

 

 

My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

 

Can anyone help with this question?

 

Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In Florida, they put your children out of school if they are not vaccinated. Then you will be taken to court by the Department of Children and Families (Destroyers of Childrn and Families) for the state,because its the law that children attend school. If you do not abide by the law, they take your children and put them in foster care. Elizabeth

 

Mike Golden <goldenmike86oleander soup Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:50:40 PMRe: Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

The insistance that a thing is mandatory and the demonstration that it, in fact is, are two different things. Though authority figures routinely claim that school vaccinations are mandatory, they, in reality never "walk the walk" in my experience. For over 20 years I've seen this over and over in Illinois. Many of my patients have not had vaccinations for their school aged children. Neither have they resorted to subterfuge via claims of religious exemptions, etc. In every single case the school boards back off when their bluff is called. No one wants to be personally responsible for excluding a kid from school. People are allergic to law suits. Tony, you attribute way too much intestinal fortitude to politicians. I've never seen them stick to their story. The same happened with my wife when she was getting a Master's degree at a state university. They insisted that it was "the law"

that she had to have vaccinations she told them to put their money where their mouths were and they backed down mumbling that it was "on her". She went through the program with no further problems.

These politicians are mostly cowards and mostly bumblers. They take the path of least resistance.

Time will tell, I suppose. I doubt if much of anything will come of this.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Tony >oleander soupThursday, July 16, 2009 7:30:50 PM Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

Don't hold your breath on getting much money or action from suing the government. Do you really think the threat of a lawsuit would stop the government from doing whatever it wished to do? It certainly has not stopped them from trampling all over our Constitution and our unalienable rights. I have to disagree with you on this one, Mike. Lawsuits and potentially harmful vaccinations have not stopped the mandatory vaccinations of our schoolchildren, including the states that have mandated Gardasil jabs for young school girls, and they are not likely to stop andatory vaccinations either. And they are already announcing the likelihood of flu vaccinations for all the school children, followed by the elderly and then the rest of the population.

The pharmaceutical companies have a long, long and dirty track record of knowingly marketing drugs that cause harm and, not only do I not think that the threat of lawsuits would bother them in the least on vaccines, the chances are good that they would be exempted from lawsuits by our lovely government.

When it comes to how the government mandates our healthcare and many other clearly unconstitutional measures that have eroded our liberty, such as the Patriot Act, there are a great many things going on now that people once would have never imagined happening in this country of the so-called free. I daresay that if anyone had warned about such things in years past, they too would have been accused of a form of paranoia.

The coming swine flu vaccinations may never be completely mandatory, but the way has certainly been paved to do just that:

The Project BioShield Act of 2004 (S. 15) became law on July 21, 2004 "to provide protections and countermeasures against chemical, radiological, or nuclear agents that may be used in a terrorist attack against the United States by giving the National Institutes of Health contracting flexibility, infrastructure improvements, and expediting the scientific peer review process, and streamlining the Food and Drug Administration approval process of countermeasures. "

In other words, the FDA may now recklessly approve inadequately tested, potentially dangerous vaccines and other drugs if ever the Secretaries of Health and Human Services (HHS) or Defense (DOD) declare a national emergency, whether or not one exists and regardless of whether treatments available are safe and effective. Around $6 billion or more will be spent to develop, produce, and stockpile vaccines and other drugs to counteract claimed bioterror agents.

The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act slipped under the radar when George Bush signed it into law as part of the 2006 Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863). It lets the HHS Secretary declare any disease an epidemic or national emergency requiring mandatory vaccinations. Nothing in the Act lists criteria that warrant a threat. Also potential penalties aren't specified for those who balk, but very likely they'd include quarantine and possible fines.

The HHS web site also says the Secretary may "issue a declaration. ...that provides immunity from tort liability (except for willful misconduct) for claims of loss caused, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from administration or use of (vaccine or other pharmaceutical) countermeasures to diseases, threats and conditions determined by the Secretary to constitute a present, or credible risk of a future public health emergency... ."

The industry-run US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) notoriously rushes inadequately tested drugs to market, putting their efficacy and safety into question, and turning those who use them into lab rats. It includes everyone if a mass vaccination is ordered on the mere claim of a public emergency - no proof required.

The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (S. 3678) is the other worrisome law, effective December 19, 2006. It amended "the Public Health Service Act with respect to public health security and all-hazards preparedness and response, and for other purposes." Even its supporters worry about issues of privacy, liability, and putting profits over public health. Critics express greater concerns about dangerous remedies for exaggerated or non-existant threats as well as mass hysteria created for political purposes.

Source: http://www.globalre search.ca/

You know, the Jews and others denied the possibility of the holocaust too and thought that was pretty farfetched and paranoical - right up to the point that any of them were led to the doorstep of the gas chambers, as did many other victims of genocides before them. No matter how farfetched one may believe mandatory vaccinations to be, I would not advise anyone to be in complete denial right up to the time they start lining people up for their jabs.

I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but I hope as many as possible at least take precautions "just in case".

All the best,

Tonyoleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:>> That doesn't matter. The government itself can be sued for this type of thing. It has already happened.> > Mike

[Guest guest]

So, all of this is bringing up interesting points.

 

First, whether the health departments can claim mandatory vaccination

sounds a lot like the idea that one must send their child to school.

As a homeschooler, my ears pricked up at the statement, 'it is the law

that children attend school. If you do not abide by the law, they take

your children and put them in foster care.'

 

It may be true that a child may be taken from parents because they

have either refused to vaccinate or, in the case of homeschooling,

refused to send their child to school but it does not mean that it is

illegal to refuse vaccs or to homeschool. The departments of child

services have lots of ways to make you comply with their wishes. At

the point a parent is faced with losing a child, all principles fly

out the window. BUT it is LEGAL to homeschool in Florida. I'm in

Canada but I took a quick look at Florida's homeschooling site. Yep,

you can keep your kids out of school. Doesn't mean they'll like it

and doesn't mean they won't make your life hell. I think the same

thing might happen with vaccs. Can't necessarily claim legal

authority to do it but it doesn't matter when they're breathing down

your neck.

 

I'm dreaming of millions of parents keeping their kids home the day

the shots come out at school in a huge expression of peaceful

non-compliance. My kids are under the radar - never been to school in

Canada but I'm wondering about hubby - he's a teacher!

 

Janet

learnin' French in Quebec

[Guest guest]

Here's the description of the precedent already set.  The vaccine manufacturers

were off the hook, but not the government.  Keep in mind that this was not even

mandatory, yet the government was still held reponsible by the

courts..................

 

The federal government abruptly suspended the NIIP pending analysis of

Guillain-Barré cases emerging in the vaccinated population. Eventually, 532

cases of vaccine-related Guillain-Barré syndrome and at least 25 deaths

occurred. One CDC official recalled that he had expected side effects upon the

nervous system of some vaccinees, but he had no notion on what scale. No one

expected a high frequency and no one then explored the policy implications,

particularly in the absence of pandemic, which indeed turned out to be exactly

the case. CDC research showed that the actual risk for Guillain-Barré was only

about 1 in 1,000 among people who had received the vaccine, which was about

seven times higher than for people who did not receive the vaccine.***

The vaccine manufacturers had anticipated the potential for serious side effects

from the vaccines they manufactured and had insisted on indemnification by the

federal government before releasing pandemic vaccine. Harmed vaccinees and their

families sued the federal government and eventually received millions of dollars

in damages. Sencer was let go as CDC director. Many people faulted him for his

dogged pursuit of universal influenza vaccination.

 

.................

 

Mike 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

lostrin <lostrin

oleander soup

Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:41:08 PM

Re: Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

So, all of this is bringing up interesting points.

 

First, whether the health departments can claim mandatory vaccination

sounds a lot like the idea that one must send their child to school.

As a homeschooler, my ears pricked up at the statement, 'it is the law

that children attend school. If you do not abide by the law, they take

your children and put them in foster care.'

 

 !

[Guest guest]

I am a single Mom, mother of 8 children, mine had to go to public school, so I could work to support them. I wish I could have given them home schooling. There are a lot of single parents out there. Elizabeth

 

lostrin <lostrinoleander soup Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:41:08 PMRe: Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

So, all of this is bringing up interesting points.First, whether the health departments can claim mandatory vaccinationsounds a lot like the idea that one must send their child to school.As a homeschooler, my ears pricked up at the statement, 'it is the lawthat children attend school. If you do not abide by the law, they takeyour children and put them in foster care.'It may be true that a child may be taken from parents because theyhave either refused to vaccinate or, in the case of homeschooling,refused to send their child to school but it does not mean that it isillegal to refuse vaccs or to homeschool. The departments of childservices have lots of ways to make you comply with their wishes. Atthe point a parent is faced with losing a child, all principles flyout the window. BUT it is LEGAL to homeschool in Florida. I'm inCanada but I took a quick look at Florida's homeschooling site.

Yep,you can keep your kids out of school. Doesn't mean they'll like itand doesn't mean they won't make your life hell. I think the samething might happen with vaccs. Can't necessarily claim legalauthority to do it but it doesn't matter when they're breathing downyour neck.I'm dreaming of millions of parents keeping their kids home the daythe shots come out at school in a huge expression of peacefulnon-compliance. My kids are under the radar - never been to school inCanada but I'm wondering about hubby - he's a teacher!Janetlearnin' French in Quebec

[Guest guest]

A government whose Federal bank is privately owned by international bankers, who spends trillions of dollars bailing out international bankers and wall street gamblers, prints money like it was going out of style and whose agencies spend tens of millions or more serving as a protecton racket for the drug makers and GMO food manufacturers is not going to let potential millions of dollars in lawsuits over mandatory vaccinations even make them blink, imo.

Like Vioxx, which the FDA fought to keep on the market until it had cause more deaths than the Viet Nam war, there are billions to be made from a huge vaccination effort and, like Vioxx, millions in lawsuits and damages is considered merely a business expense to be offset by the huge profits.

Aside from any hidden agenda and the fact that the swine flu is almost assuredly man-made, follow the money. Our government by and large stopped serving the people a long time ago and has increasingly served the monied interest and elite who have bought it off and controlled it. And there is no industry, outside perhaps big oil, that is as big, as greedy and that has as much control over governments worldwide than big medicine.

See:

Modern Medicine: How Healing Illness became Managing Illness

Mainstream Support of Vaccinations - Another Chapter in an Old Story

Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations

Man Made Flu Outbreak Timed to Promote Vaccine Contracts?

oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote:>> > Here's the description of the precedent already set. The vaccine manufacturers were off the hook, but not the government. Keep in mind that this was not even mandatory, yet the government was still held reponsible by the courts..................> > The federal government abruptly suspended the NIIP pending analysis of Guillain-Barré cases emerging in the vaccinated population. Eventually, 532 cases of vaccine-related Guillain-Barré syndrome and at least 25 deaths occurred. One CDC official recalled that he had expected side effects upon the nervous system of some vaccinees, but he had no notion on what scale. No one expected a high frequency and no one then explored the policy implications, particularly in the absence of pandemic, which indeed turned out to be exactly the case. CDC research showed that the actual risk for Guillain-Barré was only about 1 in 1,000 among people who had received the vaccine, which was about seven times higher than for people who did not receive the vaccine.***> The vaccine manufacturers had anticipated the potential for serious side effects from the vaccines they manufactured and had insisted on indemnification by the federal government before releasing pandemic vaccine. Harmed vaccinees and their families sued the federal government and eventually received millions of dollars in damages. Sencer was let go as CDC director. Many people faulted him for his dogged pursuit of universal influenza vaccination.> > ................> > Mike > > > > > ________________________________> lostrin lostrin oleander soup > Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:41:08 PM> Re: Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?> > > So, all of this is bringing up interesting points.> > First, whether the health departments can claim mandatory vaccination> sounds a lot like the idea that one must send their child to school.> As a homeschooler, my ears pricked up at the statement, 'it is the law> that children attend school. If you do not abide by the law, they take> your children and put them in foster care.'> > !>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to report.

This is NOT Internet Paranoia.

Strong armed, forced vaccinations , are happening in most of the US as we speak.

Especially here in New Jersey.

We were already been told not to bother bringing my kid to school, without a whole list of shots.

They now demand flu shots for kids in preschool.

AND even now HOME SCHOOLED KIDS!

WE have a big fight on our hands.

Come on everyone, pitch in!

 

Rich

 

 

 

Mike Golden <goldenmike86

oleander soup

Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:47 pm

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

 

 

 

This forced vaccination will

never happen. Not because of humanitarian reasons, but for legal reasons. When the government paid for and provided voluntary vaccinations for the swine flue (I think) years ago, there were a handful (comparatively) of deaths and robust law suits. They discontinued the program. They got badly burnt on that one. Forced vaccination would have them slapped with so much legal action they would fold before the thing even got started. This thing is basically internet paranoia.

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier

oleander soup

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:31:23 PM

RE: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

 

Hi Mike

 

I wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To Minimize Harmful Effects that gives some suggestions about how to minimize the harmful toxins of vaccinations.

 

I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case vaccinations are forced. I do not think this will happen and I get very dismayed with all the hype and fear being portrayed by many even in natural medicine. Certainly we must always be prepared for anything, but fear almost always causes decisions that are regretted later. And those who are fearful can usually be talked into doing just about anything…..all governments know this.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

 

 

 

My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

 

Can anyone help with this question?

 

Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!

[Guest guest]

Please provide the evidence that the government has lost a suit.

 

 

 

Mike Golden <goldenmike86

oleander soup

Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:25 pm

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't matter. The government itself can be sued for this type of thing. It has already happened.

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbanever

oleander soup

Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:07:52 PM

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 Mike,

 

Are you aware that the Bush administration gave blanket immunity to all vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits due to adverse effects, injury, and death? The consumer is unable to sue in case of injury now.

 

Bob

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:47 PM

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

 

This forced vaccination will never happen. Not because of humanitarian reasons, but for legal reasons. When the government paid for and provided voluntary vaccinations for the swine flue (I think) years ago, there were a handful (comparatively) of deaths and robust law suits. They discontinued the program. They got badly burnt on that one. Forced vaccination would have them slapped with so much legal action they would fold before the thing even got started. This thing is basically internet paranoia.

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@oasisadv ancedwellness. com>

oleander soup

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:31:23 PM

RE: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

 

Hi Mike

 

I wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To Minimize Harmful Effects that gives some suggestions about how to minimize the harmful toxins of vaccinations.

 

I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case vaccinations are forced. I do not think this will happen and I get very dismayed with all the hype and fear being portrayed by many even in natural medicine. Certainly we must always be prepared for anything, but fear almost always causes decisions that are regretted later. And those who are fearful can usually be talked into doing just about anything…..all governments know this.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

 

 

 

My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so f

earful of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

 

Can anyone help with this question?

 

Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!

[Guest guest]

Certainly they will have a harder time enforcing it for home-schooled

kids? I'm curious how they would enforce that one-go door to door?

Maybe you could find an honest doctor that would accidentally inject

the trash can with poisons instead of the kids? I know it sounds like

a bit of a stretch, but maybe one of those conventional/alternative

trained ones? I'm sure you looked into whatever waivers are available

in your state too. I also wonder if the private schools are as

gung-ho on enforcement of these things?

 

Daniel

 

On 7/17/09, richmaj <richmaj wrote:

> I'm sorry to report.

> This is NOT Internet Paranoia.

> Strong armed, forced vaccinations , are happening in most of the US as we

> speak.

> Especially here in New Jersey.

> We were already been told not to bother bringing my kid to school, without a

> whole list of shots.

> They now demand flu shots for kids in preschool.

> AND even now HOME SCHOOLED KIDS!

> WE have a big fight on our hands.

> Come on everyone, pitch in!

>

> Rich

>

>

>

> Mike Golden <goldenmike86

> oleander soup

> Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:47 pm

> Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

This forced vaccination will never happen. Not because of humanitarian

> reasons, but for legal reasons. When the government paid for and provided

> voluntary vaccinations for the swine flue (I think) years ago, there were a

> handful (comparatively) of deaths and robust law suits. They discontinued

> the program. They got badly burnt on that one. Forced vaccination would

> have them slapped with so much legal action they would fold before the thing

> even got started. This thing is basically internet paranoia.

>

>

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

> Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier

> oleander soup

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:31:23 PM

> RE: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

Hi Mike

>

> I wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To

> Minimize Harmful Effects that gives some suggestions about how to20minimize

> the harmful toxins of vaccinations.

>

> I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case

> vaccinations are forced. I do not think this will happen and I get very

> dismayed with all the hype and fear being portrayed by many even in natural

> medicine. Certainly we must always be prepared for anything, but fear

> almost always causes decisions that are regretted later. And those who are

> fearful can usually be talked into doing just about anything…..all

> governments know this.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that

> will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think

> it was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the

> vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to

> combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful

> of this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of

> fluoroquinolone use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally

> getting my health back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb

> MD/ND and I don't want to be damaged again by something that is cooked up

> for greed's sake!

>

>

>

> Can anyone help with this question?

>

>

>

> Thanks and everyone have a very healthy and happy day!

>

>

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich

 

Could you provide

somewhere online one can go and read about this?  Something that is current especially about

the homeschooled children? I need this for my files and would love to put in up

on the OAW website.

 

Now, if the homeschooled children are participating in government school

activities (which some do) then I understand why they would be going after homeschoolers,

but I want to see where they are requiring homeschooled children who are not

involved in government schools to be vaccinated.  I know this has been a hot topic because

whenever there is an outbreak of something like whooping cough or measles homeschooled

children and unvaccinated children are usually blamed.

 

I would definitely keep my children out of school.  We homeschooled our daughter and loved every

minute of it and we know many, many large families that homeschool.  If the parents are committed and diligent in

homeschooling the child will always get a better education.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup

oleander soup On Behalf Of richmaj

Friday, July 17, 2009 10:24 AM

oleander soup

Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry to report.

This is NOT Internet Paranoia.

Strong armed, forced vaccinations , are happening in most of the US as

we speak.

Especially here in New Jersey.

We were already been told not to bother bringing my kid to school,

without a whole list of shots.

They now demand flu shots for kids in preschool.

AND even now HOME SCHOOLED KIDS!

WE have a big fight on our hands.

Come on everyone, pitch in!

 

Rich

[Guest guest]

On the radio last night the news reported that drug companies are now protected

from lawsuits for vaccinations. This was in conjunction of an announcement that

mandatory swine flue vaccine is in the works.

 

Two articles that may have impact on this:

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2008/05/15/90025.htm?print=1

 

This one is hard to access so I will post it:

 

Supreme Court Rejects Preemption Argument for Drug Lawsuits

Posted: May 26th, 2009

 

Wyeth v. Levine

In Wyeth v. Levine, the Supreme Court upheld a $6.7 million award by a jury in a

Vermont state court to Diana Levine, a musician who lost her arm as a result of

taking Phenergan, an anti-nausea medication manufactured by Wyeth.

 

Doctors administered Phenergan to Levine via injection, a method that brings

quick results but carries serious risks. The injection accidentally hit an

artery, causing Levine to develop gangrene. Doctors were forced to amputate her

arm as a result.

 

Levine claimed that Wyeth failed to provide a strong enough warning about the

risks associated with this particular delivery method of Phenergan. Had she

received an appropriate warning, she would have opted for an alternative

delivery method in order to avoid jeopardizing her career as a musician.

 

Wyeth's attorneys claimed that the company complied with all federal laws when

creating the instructions and warnings for Phenergan. They also argued that

since the drug had received FDA approval, Wyeth should not be held liable for

damages because federal approval preempts an injured victim from being able to

sue for damages in a state court.

The Supreme Court rejected this reasoning and ruled that pharmaceutical

companies will not be able to receive protection from lawsuits on the basis of

preemption arguments. Their decision has provided hope to many consumers who

have suffered pharmaceutical injuries and are in need of compensation to help

shoulder the financial burden of increased medical expenses and lost wages.

 

Defending the Rights of Injured Consumers

Unfortunately, the FDA approval process for pharmaceutical products is not

perfect. While they rigorously test drugs before approving their release on the

market, it is impossible to adequately identify all potential side effects,

especially long term side effects, in the testing phase of experimental drug

treatments. While the pharmaceutical companies should be responsible for

exhaustively evaluating the safety of their new products before presenting them

to the FDA for approval, a desire to boost profits often takes priority over

guaranteeing the safety of their consumers. Therefore, it is important that our

legal system maintains avenues for injured consumers to hold pharmaceutical

companies accountable for their negligent actions.

 

Due to the complex nature of the laws governing these lawsuits, it is important

to be represented by an experienced pharmaceutical liability attorney if you

have suffered an injury from taking a defective drug.

 

http://www.articlesbase.com/law-articles/supreme-court-rejects-preemption-argume\

nt-for-drug-lawsuits-938037.html

 

 

oleander soup , richmaj wrote:

>

> I'm sorry to report.

> This is NOT Internet Paranoia.

> Strong armed, forced vaccinations , are happening in most of the US as we

speak.

> Especially here in New Jersey.

> We were already been told not to bother bringing my kid to school, without a

whole list of shots.

> They now demand flu shots for kids in preschool.

> AND even now HOME SCHOOLED KIDS!

> WE have a big fight on our hands.

> Come on everyone, pitch in!

>

> Rich

>

>

>

> Mike Golden <goldenmike86

> oleander soup

> Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:47 pm

> Re: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

This forced vaccination will never happen.  Not because of humanitarian

reasons, but for legal reasons.  When the government paid for and provided

voluntary vaccinations for the swine flue (I think) years ago, there were a

handful (comparatively) of deaths and robust law suits.  They discontinued the

program.  They got badly burnt on that one.  Forced vaccination would have

them slapped with so much legal action they would fold before the thing even got

started.  This thing is basically internet paranoia.

>

>  

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

> Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier

> oleander soup

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:31:23 PM

> RE: Swine Flu Vaccine, Mandatory? Recourse?

Hi Mike

>

> I wrote a blog this last week entitled Mandatory Vaccinations -- How To

Minimize Harmful Effects that gives some suggestions about how to20minimize the

harmful toxins of vaccinations.

>

> I think the best thing for everyone is to make provision in case vaccinations

are forced.  I do not think this will happen and I get very dismayed with all

the hype and fear being portrayed by many even in natural medicine.  Certainly

we must always be prepared for anything, but fear almost always causes decisions

that are regretted later.  And those who are fearful can usually be talked into

doing just about anything…..all governments know this.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> My question as the subject thread states is about the Swine Flu vaccine that

will likely become manditory this fall. I recall seeing somewhere, I think it

was on curezone, on what to do if we have to give in and accept the

vaccinations. I recall seeing a post suggesting taking colloidal silver to

combat the vaccine. Was I dreaming or did I really see this? I am so fearful of

this vaccine and big pharma since I was damaged from years of fluoroquinolone

use( Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, Avelox, Tequin). I am finally getting my health

back to where I want it by natural measures and a superb MD/ND and I don't want

to be damaged again by something that is cooked up for greed's sake!

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