Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 How common is it for Oleander to cause tumor growth or swelling during apoptosis? Is there a limit of size to this supposed growth " ? For example could one say that anything over a certain amount of growth is really more than likely growth than tumor swelling? Rhonda -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Thanks for asking this question, Rhonda. I'm not sure if you are asking on Luke's behalf, but I didn't think about this until now. Darren (Luke's dad) oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote: > > How common is it for Oleander to cause tumor growth or swelling during > apoptosis? Is there a limit of size to this supposed growth " ? For > example could one say that anything over a certain amount of growth is > really more than likely growth than tumor swelling? > Rhonda > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Yes I am asking on Lukes behalf. I'm anxiously awaiting the answer as I belief you and I are on the right thinkin! Rhonda On 6/23/09, Darren Pollok <darrenpollok wrote: > Thanks for asking this question, Rhonda. I'm not sure if you are asking > on Luke's behalf, but I didn't think about this until now. > > Darren (Luke's dad) > > > > oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote: >> >> How common is it for Oleander to cause tumor growth or swelling during >> apoptosis? Is there a limit of size to this supposed growth " ? For >> example could one say that anything over a certain amount of growth is >> really more than likely growth than tumor swelling? >> Rhonda >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I'm guessing that growth means the oleander didn't work in this case. We have stopped using it on Luke. Darren (Luke's dad) http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok oleander soup , " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok wrote: > > Thanks for asking this question, Rhonda. I'm not sure if you are asking on Luke's behalf, but I didn't think about this until now. > > Darren (Luke's dad) > > > > oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater@> wrote: > > > > How common is it for Oleander to cause tumor growth or swelling during > > apoptosis? Is there a limit of size to this supposed growth " ? For > > example could one say that anything over a certain amount of growth is > > really more than likely growth than tumor swelling? > > Rhonda > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Certainly I don't know all the particulars about the specific situations mentioned. Many people who use natural protocols experience some tumor growth before the tumor begins to die. Markers will often go up before they begin to go down. It is difficult if not impossible to know what would be considered too much growth since everyone is so different. Be Well Dr.L oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Darren Pollok Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:41 PM oleander soup Re: Oleander/tumor growth swelling? I'm guessing that growth means the oleander didn't work in this case. We have stopped using it on Luke. Darren (Luke's dad) http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok oleander soup , " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok wrote: > > Thanks for asking this question, Rhonda. I'm not sure if you are asking on Luke's behalf, but I didn't think about this until now. > > Darren (Luke's dad) > > > > oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater@> wrote: > > > > How common is it for Oleander to cause tumor growth or swelling during > > apoptosis? Is there a limit of size to this supposed growth " ? For > > example could one say that anything over a certain amount of growth is > > really more than likely growth than tumor swelling? > > Rhonda > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Hi Darren, As you only received the S/OPC on may 11th, it is a bit premature to say it did not work for Luke. The expected outcome, provided you follow the bulk of the protocol, is normally as follows: S/OPC results to be expected The normal situation is the following (For stages I – III. Stage IV can take twice to three times as long) : (a) The rate of growth of the tumor/s slows done (after 3 - 6 weeks) (b) The cancer stabilizes (after 6 - 10 weeks) © The tumor starts to reduce in size (10 - 16 weeks) Here it must be noted that sometimes there is only a slow decrease in size due to the fact that the bulk of the cells inside the tumor may be normal cells. So, even if al the tumor cells die, then the remainder of the normal cells will retain their size. The tumor/s may then become hard (encrusted) and may take a long time, even years to be re-absorbed by the body. (d) Patient in remission (8 - 12 months) All the above should take place PROVIDED one follows the suggested protocol especially the S/OPC, the NAC, the Curcumin and the restriction of animal proteins. Remember, it is the RATE OF GROWTH that will initially slow down even if there is still some growth. Don't give up on the oleander treatment yet. Marc Swanepoel - Darren Pollok oleander soup Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:40 AM Re: Oleander/tumor growth swelling? I'm guessing that growth means the oleander didn't work in this case. We have stopped using it on Luke.Darren (Luke's dad)http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok--- In oleander soup , "Darren Pollok" <darrenpollok wrote:>> .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I am in complete agreement with Dr. Swanepoel - you have not given oleander nearly enough time to work yet and I would highly recommend staying with it longer. As both he and my good friend Dr. Lanphier correctly point out, there is normally some continued growth at the first of just about any good cancer fighting protocol. Oleander is not an overnight answer to cancer, but far more often than not it does prove to be an answer ultimately - especially when combined with other elements Marc suggests and the ones in my suggested natural anti-cancer protocol . All the best, oleander soup , "Darren Pollok" <darrenpollok wrote:>> I'm guessing that growth means the oleander didn't work in this case. We have stopped using it on Luke.> > Darren (Luke's dad)> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok> > > oleander soup , "Darren Pollok" darrenpollok@ wrote:> >> > Thanks for asking this question, Rhonda. I'm not sure if you are asking on Luke's behalf, but I didn't think about this until now.> > > > Darren (Luke's dad)> > > > > > > > oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater@> wrote:> > >> > > How common is it for Oleander to cause tumor growth or swelling during> > > apoptosis? Is there a limit of size to this supposed growth"? For> > > example could one say that anything over a certain amount of growth is> > > really more than likely growth than tumor swelling?> > > Rhonda> > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Thank you Marc. I was hoping you'd reply, but I had no idea you even knew when we ordered. My Luke has a brainstem tumor called a diffuse intrinsic brainstem glioma (DIPG). I'm not totally convinced that what we are seeing is progression, as the doctors could not tell me if enhancements and MRS metabolites had increased. We stopped the OPC since we were in the hospital, but I think we will resume now. We just finished the first bottle, so do you think by the second bottle we should see some effect? I ask this since Luke is already showing very frightening symptoms, and his quality of life is rather poor. I appreciate your timely response to this issue. Darren (Luke's dad) http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Hi Darren, Hey, I just wanted to let you know I am thinking of Luke, you and your family right now as you are going through this time of figuring out what to do. Good that you will start back up on the OPC when he's out of the hospital. I think of you and also of the other lady (forgive me with not recalling her name at the moment please) who has her son on OPC for this type of tumor in our group here. I wanted to provide a link here about which states have legal medical marijuana for people who want to know and just found out there is a pill called Marinol prescribed. I wish they would just make it legal for people who need it everywhere. Not that I'm into marijuana but, I just feel like it could help people who need it you know. http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000881 I don't know if that would even happen for them to prescribe something like medicinal marijuana for a child. But interesting information. The pill form or whatever wouldn't even be enough to help with killing brain tumor cells. I think it's prescribed for nausua and lack of appetite maybe. I'll probably be signing your guest book for Luke soon...I just visited it again recently. Love, Carla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Thanks to everyone who responded. We are at MD Anderson in Houston for Luke's tumor today. We will be starting a phase 2 trial for a drug called nimotuzumab, most likely. I asked if their are any dietary restrictions for doing this trial, and the answer was " No " . So, Luke will be starting back on the OPC as soon as we get back home. I know it can't hurt, plus he doesn't mind taking it. I'm hoping to have good news soon. Darren (Luke's dad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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