HIV labs not so good

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

 

I just got my labs in after being off meds since December. I have been doing

various alternative therapies, including oleander OPC for a month before the

labs. Prior to discovering oleander I had been doing neem, olive leaf, coconut

oil, master cleanses, etc.

 

So now my cd4 count came back at 185, and viral load is 134,220! Both obviously

pretty bad by traditional medical standards, but the more I read alternative

thinking the more i wonder if these two numbers are most important. In the past

I have tried various alternative theories and taken a break from meds, then I

get bad numbers like this and go back on meds until I get a high cd4 over 500 or

so and always get back down to undetectable viral load. With insurance, the

meds are fairly cheap, but I would prefer to stay drug-free if possible. My

health is perfect other than hiv levels on paper.

 

Now i wonder if I should make up some oleander soup (I have huge bushes in my

back yard along a fence with a neighbor, untreated at least on my side of the

fence) and kick up the other things I'm doing and see what happens? My

allopathic doctor seems to think the sky is falling an its a huge emergency if

cd4 gets below 200, but I am wondering...

[Guest guest]

daniel,

 

In addition to the oleander you might want to try blood

electrification a la The Beck Protocol along with colloidal silver on a

daily basis. Sota Instruments may be of help. Another approach is to use

MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement or chlorine dioxide). Google these for more

info. Good luck.

 

Bob

-

" daniellvnv " <danielnv.martin

<oleander soup >

Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:13 PM

HIV labs not so good

 

 

> Hello all,

>

> I just got my labs in after being off meds since December. I have been

> doing various alternative therapies, including oleander OPC for a month

> before the labs. Prior to discovering oleander I had been doing neem,

> olive leaf, coconut oil, master cleanses, etc.

>

> So now my cd4 count came back at 185, and viral load is 134,220! Both

> obviously pretty bad by traditional medical standards, but the more I read

> alternative thinking the more i wonder if these two numbers are most

> important. In the past I have tried various alternative theories and

> taken a break from meds, then I get bad numbers like this and go back on

> meds until I get a high cd4 over 500 or so and always get back down to

> undetectable viral load. With insurance, the meds are fairly cheap, but I

> would prefer to stay drug-free if possible. My health is perfect other

> than hiv levels on paper.

>

> Now i wonder if I should make up some oleander soup (I have huge bushes in

> my back yard along a fence with a neighbor, untreated at least on my side

> of the fence) and kick up the other things I'm doing and see what happens?

> My allopathic doctor seems to think the sky is falling an its a huge

> emergency if cd4 gets below 200, but I am wondering...

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Daniel,

 

Please do not let "cd4 counts" and "viral Loads"

scare you. Doctors can be real fear mongers - Even if they don't

realize that's basically all they are doing. Forget the numbers... How do you feel? Are you actually sick?

 

Rethinking AIDS Releases a New Brochure on AIDS Testing

 

There is plenty of evidence that these tests and their results mean way less than we've been led to believe.

 

This is my website with some more information:

http://magickdragonfly.com/tag/hiv-dissidence/

My story is in the comments here:House of Numbers: The HIV/ AIDS Story is Being Rewritten

I was diagnosed "hiv positive" in 1993 (16 years ago) I was diagnosed

with AIDS about two years ago (all from test numbers). I have NEVER

had any "hiv" or "AIDS" related illnesses, except when on the

medications that is (which I gave into a couple of times), and they were caused by the medications. My last

cd4 counts was 78 and my viral load was also very high.... Those

numbers mean nothing to me. And it does have a lot to do with what you

believe about these tests and numbers... (I learned somewhere that

they will not do a "viral load test" on people who are not HIV positive

because they would have to explain why "hiv negative" people also have

"viral loads" - debris in the blood).The science of voodoo: When mind attacks body

I stopped taking all pharmaceutical drugs after my "AIDS diagnosis" and

I've never gone back. I'm healthier than I've ever been by taking full

responsibility for my health and using natural methods. My goal is to be healthy - NOT to recover from any illness. I certainly

cannot tell you what to do or believe, I can only share what has

happened to me.

Personally, I believe that they use these test numbers to frighten

people so they can sell them some very high priced pharmaceutical

drugs... Today most doctors are trained by pharmaceutical reps on how

to sell drugs. I'm not going to say that it is deliberate or conscious maliciousness on the part of the doctors... It's just too easy to "parrot" information without doing any research.

The toxic black box drugs that they give will eventually give all the

symptoms of AIDS. I've heard that if you are really, really sick these

drugs can help "knock out" whatever the problem might be due to them

having powerful antiviral and antifungal properties... but in the long

run or with continued use they begin to destroy the body. I would not

ever take them simply based on (what I believe to be) bogus numbers.

Another great site for more information and discussion is at: AIDS Myth Exposed

 

- David Collinshttp://MagickDragonfly.com

oleander soup , "daniellvnv" <danielnv.martin wrote:>> Hello all,> > I just got my labs in after being off meds since December. I have been doing various alternative therapies, including oleander OPC for a month before the labs. Prior to discovering oleander I had been doing neem, olive leaf, coconut oil, master cleanses, etc.

[Guest guest]

David, this is an excellent response! and I just had to tell you that the

Science of Voodoo is one of those articles that should be given to everyone who

receives a 'diagnosis'. I am an energy medicine practitioner with over 30 years

experience in the 'professional' community. When I was 'diagnosed' with terminal

cancer the first thing I had to do was forget what I had heard. Great website,

keep up the good work.

Cheryl

 

oleander soup , " David Collins " <ReikiMatrix wrote:

>

> Daniel,

>

> Please do not let " cd4 counts " and " viral Loads " scare you. Doctors can

> be real fear mongers - Even if they don't realize that's basically all

> they are doing. Forget the numbers... How do you feel? Are you

> actually sick?

>

> Rethinking AIDS Releases a New Brochure on AIDS Testing

> <http://rethinkingaids.com/Content/QA/tabid/161/Default.aspx>

>

> There is plenty of evidence that these tests and their results mean way

> less than we've been led to believe.

>

> This is my website with some more information:

> http://magickdragonfly.com/tag/hiv-dissidence/

> <http://magickdragonfly.com/tag/hiv-dissidence/>

>

> My story is in the comments here:

> House of Numbers: The HIV/ AIDS Story is Being Rewritten

> <http://magickdragonfly.com/2009/05/05/house-of-numbers-the-hiv-aids-sto\

> ry-is-being-rewritten/>

>

> I was diagnosed " hiv positive " in 1993 (16 years ago) I was diagnosed

> with AIDS about two years ago (all from test numbers). I have NEVER had

> any " hiv " or " AIDS " related illnesses, except when on the medications

> that is (which I gave into a couple of times), and they were caused by

> the medications. My last cd4 counts was 78 and my viral load was also

> very high.... Those numbers mean nothing to me. And it does have a lot

> to do with what you believe about these tests and numbers... (I learned

> somewhere that they will not do a " viral load test " on people who are

> not HIV positive because they would have to explain why " hiv negative "

> people also have " viral loads " - debris in the blood).

>

> The science of voodoo: When mind attacks body

> <http://magickdragonfly.com/2009/05/15/the-science-of-voodoo-when-mind-a\

> ttacks-body/>

>

> I stopped taking all pharmaceutical drugs after my " AIDS diagnosis " and

> I've never gone back. I'm healthier than I've ever been by taking full

> responsibility for my health and using natural methods. My goal is to

> be healthy - NOT to recover from any illness. I certainly cannot tell

> you what to do or believe, I can only share what has happened to me.

>

> Personally, I believe that they use these test numbers to frighten

> people so they can sell them some very high priced pharmaceutical

> drugs... Today most doctors are trained by pharmaceutical reps on how to

> sell drugs. I'm not going to say that it is deliberate or conscious

> maliciousness on the part of the doctors... It's just too easy to

> " parrot " information without doing any research.

>

> The toxic black box drugs that they give will eventually give all the

> symptoms of AIDS. I've heard that if you are really, really sick these

> drugs can help " knock out " whatever the problem might be due to them

> having powerful antiviral and antifungal properties... but in the long

> run or with continued use they begin to destroy the body. I would not

> ever take them simply based on (what I believe to be) bogus numbers.

>

> Another great site for more information and discussion is at: AIDS Myth

> Exposed <http://www.aidsmythexposed.com/>

>

> - David Collins

> http://MagickDragonfly.com <http://MagickDragonfly.com>

>

>

>

> oleander soup , " daniellvnv " <danielnv.martin@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I just got my labs in after being off meds since December. I have

> been doing various alternative therapies, including oleander OPC for a

> month before the labs. Prior to discovering oleander I had been doing

> neem, olive leaf, coconut oil, master cleanses, etc.

>

[Guest guest]

Cheryl!I must have missed your intro...terminal cancer?  Which kind?  How long ago?  What are you doing by way of treatment?ThanksJanet

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

I was diagnosed on Feb. 2/09 with non-small cell lung cancer and three brain

mets.(inoperable and put on a palliative care track). I took 10 rounds of

radiation to my lung and one day of stereotactic radiation to the the 3 brain

tumors. It is my intention to overcome this diagnosis using a variety of

alternatives which up to now include:

 

1. EFT, Shamanic healing, Tong Ren, and Native healing.

 

2. My Protocol: Essiac tea, 1P6, Advanced Probiotics, Ester C, Vit. D, AHCC,

Curcurmin, milk thistle, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Graviola, Ruta 6, Cal. Pros., Immune

Ultra by AOR, detox baths, magnesium foot baths, and next on my list is

Oleander. I am also following the Budwig diet as much as possible. It is where I

tend to 'stray' from time to time.

 

So far so good. Last scan shows shrinkage in the lung cancer and my next scans

are due in early July. I feel good, positive and strong. Had some heavy

Herzheimer effects this week which I take as a sign that my body is getting rid

of a lot of toxins and I am moving into the healing stage.

 

Thanks for your interest....we are survivors.

Cheryl

 

oleander soup , lostrin <lostrin wrote:

>

> Cheryl!

>

> I must have missed your intro...terminal cancer? Which kind? How long

> ago? What are you doing by way of treatment?

>

> Thanks

>

> Janet

>

[Guest guest]

Hi David,Thank you so much for the pep talk and excellent links! Your website is awesome!To answer your questions, I feel great, and haven't been sick for about 2 years, and then it was a flu that I got over much quicker than coworkers and friends that eat garbage and think I'm the oddball for being a health freak.I was prepared for a high viral load since that test is not credible, but I was hoping for a better cd4 count. I don't quite get why my count is so much lower than it was previously. (it was over 500 for about 10 years, and then was marginally low once and I started meds.) The only theory I have come up with so far is that the meds must suppress actual immune function while propping up the numbers artificially or perhaps causing a higher cd4 count because the immune system is attacking the drugs and seeing them as an invader.I wonder how common these lower cd4 counts are in people that aren't HIV+? I would imagine fairly common for those with alcohol & /or drug addictions. I rarely endulge in alcohol, and don't do illegal drugs, so it must be the effect of years on the cocktail. I had forgotten that cd4 count varies so much, even within the same day so I'll make sure my next labs are done later in the day.Forgive me of these questions are answered on your site- I am on my iPhone and have lots more of it to see still. I haven't figured out how to make all the videos work on here yet. I made the oleander soup today-boy is it bitter! I ended up with a bit over a quart, and put it in the fridge. Any ideas on whether it is best to add vodka or ACV? I'm thinking the braggs ACV is best, unless vodka will help it's effectiveness? I don't have vodka and am very low on acv, so will get one or both tomorrow. I'm thinking the alcohol will make it more like a tincture, but vinegar is one step away so perhaps it has similar effect without all the sugar?By the way, my oleanders are huge (about 15-20 feet tall) and I have to do more trimming very soon, so if anyone can use some and it travels well, let me know. I'm in las vegas, by the way.I love this group--I am learning tons!Oh yeah, I'm curious what you think of the colloidal silver for HIV? If HIV is imaginary and the immune deficiency is caused by the meds, will the cs help? I believe it is mostly used as an antimicrobial?Thanks again, DanielOn May 29, 2009, at 10:58 AM, "David Collins" <ReikiMatrix wrote:

Daniel,

 

Please do not let "cd4 counts" and "viral Loads"

scare you. Doctors can be real fear mongers - Even if they don't

realize that's basically all they are doing. Forget the numbers... How do you feel? Are you actually sick?

 

Rethinking AIDS Releases a New Brochure on AIDS Testing

 

There is plenty of evidence that these tests and their results mean way less than we've been led to believe.

 

This is my website with some more information:

http://magickdragonfly.com/tag/hiv-dissidence/

My story is in the comments here:House of Numbers: The HIV/ AIDS Story is Being Rewritten

I was diagnosed "hiv positive" in 1993 (16 years ago) I was diagnosed

with AIDS about two years ago (all from test numbers). I have NEVER

had any "hiv" or "AIDS" related illnesses, except when on the

medications that is (which I gave into a couple of times), and they were caused by the medications. My last

cd4 counts was 78 and my viral load was also very high.... Those

numbers mean nothing to me. And it does have a lot to do with what you

believe about these tests and numbers... (I learned somewhere that

they will not do a "viral load test" on people who are not HIV positive

because they would have to explain why "hiv negative" people also have

"viral loads" - debris in the blood).The science of voodoo: When mind attacks body

I stopped taking all pharmaceutical drugs after my "AIDS diagnosis" and

I've never gone back. I'm healthier than I've ever been by taking full

responsibility for my health and using natural methods. My goal is to be healthy - NOT to recover from any illness. I certainly

cannot tell you what to do or believe, I can only share what has

happened to me.

Personally, I believe that they use these test numbers to frighten

people so they can sell them some very high priced pharmaceutical

drugs... Today most doctors are trained by pharmaceutical reps on how

to sell drugs. I'm not going to say that it is deliberate or conscious maliciousness on the part of the doctors... It's just too easy to "parrot" information without doing any research.

The toxic black box drugs that they give will eventually give all the

symptoms of AIDS. I've heard that if you are really, really sick these

drugs can help "knock out" whatever the problem might be due to them

having powerful antiviral and antifungal properties... but in the long

run or with continued use they begin to destroy the body. I would not

ever take them simply based on (what I believe to be) bogus numbers.

Another great site for more information and discussion is at: AIDS Myth Exposed

 

- David Collinshttp://MagickDragonfly.com

oleander soup , "daniellvnv" <danielnv.martin wrote:>> Hello all,> > I just got my labs in after being off meds since December. I have been doing various alternative therapies, including oleander OPC for a month before the labs. Prior to discovering oleander I had been doing neem, olive leaf, coconut oil, master cleanses, etc.