oleander and blood thinners

May 26, 2009

Im very excited to have recieved after just over a week, 2 bottles of the liquid sutherlandia OPC- Thank you Marc!!I'm a bit concerned however as it mentions it should not be taken when on blood thinners, my mum has to have a daily jab of clexane, a blood thinner as she is paralysed from the waist down and is bed bound...I am desperate to get her started on the Oleander asap, however don;t want to cause her any more pain or discomfort should the oleander interact with the blood thinner...help!??Natalie--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Bob Banever <bbanever wrote:Bob Banever <bbaneverRe:

Effectiveness against pancreatic cancer?oleander soup Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 2:49 AM

henrye,

Google black cumin seed oil. This oil is a specific for pancreatic

cancer. Tony recommends this along with his protocol for all cancers.

Bob

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"henrye4" <hutchesonhh@ aol.com>

Monday, May 25, 2009 6:08 PM

Effectiveness against pancreatic cancer?

> My uncle has stage IV pancreatic cancer; he underwent 6 sessions of

> chemotherapy (Gemzar) between September and December, and after his last

> session, his cancer had apparently gone into remission (except for "seeds"

> in his pancreas...? ). However,

>

> My uncle has stage IV pancreatic cancer; he underwent 6 sessions of

> chemotherapy (Gemzar) between August 2008 and December 2008. According to

> his oncologist, his tumors exhibited a dramatic response to the therapy (a

> response rate of <5% is typically observed) and he apparently felt fine

> from December to until recently. Last week, he admitted himself to hospice

> because, according to the hospice physician (not an oncologist), the

> cancer has experienced new growth and is blocking his digestive tract (I

> don't know which organs specifically since this is word of mouth passed on

> to me by relatives). We have told him that he won't undergo evaluation for

> additional treatments as a hospice patient, but he stubbornly won't go to

> the hospital.. He hasn't eaten in nearly two weeks and is visibly "wasting

> away" (he won't even call a gastroenterologist to request prescription

> pancreatic enzymes).

>

> I have ordered two bottles of Curcumin C3 Complex w/Bioperine that should

> arrive this week, and I plan on administering (if my uncle cooperates) 8

> grams/day to him, if it isn't too late already.

>

> Can Oleander soup/Sutherlandia OPC help? He just seems so reluctant to try

> anything, it's almost as if he's made the decision to give up...

>

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May 26, 2009

Natalie,

I am going to post a reply which Tony made on another forum in answer to your question. I hope this helps.

The reason for the caution about blood thinners and heart medications such as digatalis/digoxin is that the primary cardiac glycoside in oleander, oleandrin, cross assays with digoxin. However, the amount of the glycoside obtained by boiling, straining and condensing (which is how the patented Medicine Anvirzel, the herbal supplement Sutherlandia OPC and the home remedy version are all processed) is very small because oleandrin is a non-polar (non water soluable) compound. The amount of oleandrin in a normal full dose of oleander extract is only equivalent to about 1/40th of the amount of digatalis/digoxin. Many people who do use blood thinners, digatalis/digoxin and other heart medications do take oleander, but someone who wants to do so would be to start small and work up gradually, perhaps cutting back sightly on the heart meds. The very best advice would be to consult with a naturopath or integrative practitioner familiar with oleander - but those are not found on evey corner.