Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I haven't started using Oleander yet but wondered about some of the side effects that are noted and what form of Oleander people are using. I know that Sutherlands is the brand, but are most using liquid or pill form? Does everyone experience naseau/vomiting when they begin the protocol? Thanks, Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Hi Cheryl, The side effects are gastric in nature. If you experience any symptoms (which will probably be diarrhea), just back off on the dose until it subsides. Then increase the dosage gradually. And no, actually, many do not experience any side effects at all. oleander soup , "cherylcampbell55" <cheryl.s.campbell wrote:>> I haven't started using Oleander yet but wondered about some of the side effects that are noted and what form of Oleander people are using. I know that Sutherlands is the brand, but are most using liquid or pill form? Does everyone experience naseau/vomiting when they begin the protocol?> Thanks,> Cheryl> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 After 6 weeks I have horrible diarrhea for 5 weeks due to fungal issues. If a person has candidia or fungus Marc S says there is a great possibility it is due to the systemic fungas and recommends Dyflucan or Nystatin for several weeks, which I took and no more diarrhea issues. I have been taking the caps for about a year now and was diagnosed with BC exactly three years ago. Tammatha - cherylcampbell55 oleander soup Monday, May 25, 2009 12:37 AM Side Effects I haven't started using Oleander yet but wondered about some of the side effects that are noted and what form of Oleander people are using. I know that Sutherlands is the brand, but are most using liquid or pill form? Does everyone experience naseau/vomiting when they begin the protocol?Thanks,Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I just recently started the S/OPC and I have had no or very lite nausa and no vomiting at all. oleander soup , " cherylcampbell55 " <cheryl.s.campbell wrote: > > I haven't started using Oleander yet but wondered about some of the side effects that are noted and what form of Oleander people are using. I know that Sutherlands is the brand, but are most using liquid or pill form? Does everyone experience naseau/vomiting when they begin the protocol? > Thanks, > Cheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Cheryl, My son, Luke, has been on liquid Sutherlandia OPC for 3 weeks now. He is 10 years old and diagnosed with a brainstem (Pontine) glioma. He hasn't exibited any side effects at all, even at full dose. We were actually hoping for some loose bowels, as he battles constipation some. He has never had nausea, but if he did, I think some ginger pills should help with that. Hope this helps. Darren (Luke's dad) http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Darren, Best of luck. Your son is in our prayers. I hope you are following Tony's full protocol... IP6, sutherlandia, colloidal silver, dietary changes. I also should point out that marijuana oil (not hemp seed oil) is specifically effective for this type of cancer. Google Phoenix Tears for more info and studies. Bob - " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok <oleander soup > Monday, May 25, 2009 2:50 PM Re: Side Effects > Cheryl, > > My son, Luke, has been on liquid Sutherlandia OPC for 3 weeks now. He > is 10 years old and diagnosed with a brainstem (Pontine) glioma. He > hasn't exibited any side effects at all, even at full dose. We were > actually hoping for some loose bowels, as he battles constipation some. > He has never had nausea, but if he did, I think some ginger pills should > help with that. > Hope this helps. > > Darren (Luke's dad) > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 there's nowhere in the world that i've heard of where you can obtain, make, or possess active hemp oil legally. it might fall under the medical marijuana laws in places like california or for some reason might not, i don't know. however, there's plenty of the ingredients around if you're willing and able to get them and make your own oil. all you need is a lot of pot, preferably high-test sinsemilla not mexican commercial, grain alcohol to soak it in, and then after it's soaked a few days strain it and evaporate down until it's a fairly thick goo. hastening evaporation with a heat source can cause fire/explosion. i have no idea if this really works for cancer, although i've watched the youtube video of the rural canadians who were making and using it with claimed success until they had to share it with the world which got them the attention that shut them down. i haven't looked into phoenix tears yet. one thing for sure: it can stimulate the apetite of someone who otherwise doesn't feel like eating. > > oleander soup > oleander soup On Behalf Of Bob Banever > Monday, May 25, 2009 10:44 PM > oleander soup > Re: Re: Side Effects > > Darren, > > Best of luck. Your son is in our prayers. I hope you > are following > Tony's full protocol... IP6, sutherlandia, colloidal silver, dietary > changes. I also should point out that marijuana oil (not > hemp seed oil) is > specifically effective for this type of cancer. Google > Phoenix Tears for > more info and studies. > > Bob > - > " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok > <oleander soup > > Monday, May 25, 2009 2:50 PM > Re: Side Effects > > > > Cheryl, > > > > My son, Luke, has been on liquid Sutherlandia OPC for 3 > weeks now. He > > is 10 years old and diagnosed with a brainstem (Pontine) > glioma. He > > hasn't exibited any side effects at all, even at full dose. > We were > > actually hoping for some loose bowels, as he battles > constipation some. > > He has never had nausea, but if he did, I think some > ginger pills should > > help with that. > > Hope this helps. > > > > Darren (Luke's dad) > > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Tammatha Do you mind if we ask about your treatments? Did you reject all allopathic and go straight to natural? What is your current status? Kind regards, Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hi Janet, No I don't mind at all. Yes, I rejected the recommended chemo and drugs I believe it was tamoxifin they wanted me to take. I did do a left mastectomy and they took out about 6 lympnodes. They ran me through in the quick cattle like manner that is so common so I didn't really have time to think or do research at that point. Had I known then what I know now I don't think I would have done the surgery. I believe I could have shrunk the tumor on my own, but it is past, can't change it now. I at least had the where with all to stop the madness after the surgery and said... hey slow down let me think about this. My oncologist was mortified and not happy at all with me so I found another one in another county (I have Kaiser) that is a bit more open minded or at least doesn't give me resistance. She doesn't ask me any questions and lets me do my own thing. I really just use my mainstream health insurance for tests, scans, ultrasounds, and the obgyn dept, etc. I was diagnosed June 1. 2006 with BC the more rare lobular carcinoma in situ stage 2.5, in a few days I will have a three year anniversary. After the surgery I started doing heavy duty research, I mean alot and still do daily, it can never rest and came to the conclusion I was going to go without poison and drugs and didn't feel I was going to be able to poison myself healthy, it just didn't make logical sense, plain and simple. My family especially my parents were very angry, they didn't speak to me for awhile because I wouldn't do chemo (because my mom has 3 times) her cancer keeps coming back although they think I'm nuts. My journey has been one of major detoxing, I do believe there is some truth to the fungal/cancer correlation. I have been battling fungus/candida for a very long time and was infected in my 20s with a job I had. I then was prescribed over and over again by conventional docs antibiotics which only exacerbated my issues, I had chronic sinus infections/allergies, IBS, extreme PMS, and menstrual cramps that sent me to the emergency room every month, through my 20s and 30s. I'm now 46. My hormones were such a mess! I have done 2 courses of Dyflucan, it was unavoidable due to my extensive fungas problem. Anyway, I have had my amalgams removed, I have two more to go(it is expensive but worth it) I slowly changed my diet, i n the beginning it was no sugar, soda, fried foods, grain (except quinoa) which is considerated more of a seed. Periodically I'll have red or brown rice. From there ... I learned about food being your medicine and cancer liking animal products so I went vegan, now I'm pretty much 85% raw vegan. I removed all chemical cleaning products in my home and also changed what little cosmetics/body products I do use to organic, stopped using any mainstream perfumes which are toxic. I bought an incredible air purifer for my home called an Aranizer(not many are familar with it but it is amazing with no filter) there is nothing it doesn't dispel, a small family run company that you can pick up the phone and talk to the horses mouth about the product. Again, expensive but worth your health in gold. I have taken countless, endless amounts of all different kinds of supplements, the ones I have stuck with now are: Bio Curcumin by Life Extension, COQ10 by Life Extension, VitD3 by Life Extension, Melatonin by Life Extension, Optimized Resveratrol by Life Extension, Liver Rescue#4 by LifeForce Nutritionals by far the best Liver Detoxer formula out there and high quality products by this company in general. Also. S/OPC (I been taking it for over a year), NAC recommended by Marc Swanepol in conjunction w/S/OPC, Enzymes (systemic, proteolytic, digestive), probiotics, MSM, Hyaluronic Acid. I also use Hulda Clark's Zapper. Exercise can never be underestimated strength training as well as cardio. Keeping a lower weight is key, I have read that cancer loves the overweight. I was a size 4-6 before the cancer not really needing to lose however, when the body detoxs and you you eat a vegan diet it will automatically happen. My family of course thought I was dying, I lost 14lbs and now am a size 2. One of the most important components in my recovery I believe has been Colon Hydrotherapy, there is nothing that will detox a human better. This is also where the weigh loss comes in because we carry years and years of sludge in our intestines and colons that cannot remove itself without help. I have been doing it for 2.5 yrs. At first I went once a week now I go ever other. There are different implants you can do to help cleanse, wheatgrass, coffee, apple cider vinegar, rejuvelac. Finding a health practioner that works with you and truly cares is so important to the healing process, mine has been my angel. Hope this isn't too much information, I'm sure I left some things out. please let me know if you have any questions. My Best ~ Tammatha - lostrin oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:21 AM Re: Side Effects TammathaDo you mind if we ask about your treatments? Did you reject allallopathic and go straight to natural? What is your current status?Kind regards,Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Forgot to add.... so far so good I have a CT Scan scheduled tomorrow we'll see! Tammatha - lostrin oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:21 AM Re: Side Effects TammathaDo you mind if we ask about your treatments? Did you reject allallopathic and go straight to natural? What is your current status?Kind regards,Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Tammatha, Please realize that CT scans are done with ionizing radiation. You would be best served to limit your exposure to this type of radiation. Bob - Tammatha oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:53 PM Re: Side Effects Forgot to add.... so far so good I have a CT Scan scheduled tomorrow we'll see! Tammatha - lostrin oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:21 AM Re: Side Effects TammathaDo you mind if we ask about your treatments? Did you reject allallopathic and go straight to natural? What is your current status?Kind regards,Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I know Bob thank you.... this is why I have not had one in 3 years but knowledge is very helpful when you are going it natural as I have. I need to know if I'm clean. I have struggled with getting x-rays and CTs and do not do mammos but this is something that outweighs. My Nauropath sees it as the lesser of two evils and he has convinced me. Knowledge is power with this one unfortunately. Tammatha - Bob Banever oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:07 PM Re: Side Effects Tammatha, Please realize that CT scans are done with ionizing radiation. You would be best served to limit your exposure to this type of radiation. Bob - Tammatha oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:53 PM Re: Side Effects Forgot to add.... so far so good I have a CT Scan scheduled tomorrow we'll see! Tammatha - lostrin oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:21 AM Re: Side Effects TammathaDo you mind if we ask about your treatments? Did you reject allallopathic and go straight to natural? What is your current status?Kind regards,Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 i'm surprised to not see DIM among the stuff you use? impressive strong work! oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of TammathaWednesday, May 27, 2009 4:52 PMoleander soup Subject: Re: Side Effects Hi Janet, No I don't mind at all. Yes, I rejected the recommended chemo and drugs I believe it was tamoxifin they wanted me to take. I did do a left mastectomy and they took out about 6 lympnodes. They ran me through in the quick cattle like manner that is so common so I didn't really have time to think or do research at that point. Had I known then what I know now I don't think I would have done the surgery. I believe I could have shrunk the tumor on my own, but it is past, can't change it now. I at least had the where with all to stop the madness after the surgery and said... hey slow down let me think about this. My oncologist was mortified and not happy at all with me so I found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 thermagrams seem to be the way to go these days AFAIK. very sensitive to highlight suspicious areas that might need to be checked into with other methods. oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Bob BaneverWednesday, May 27, 2009 6:08 PMoleander soup Subject: Re: Side Effects Tammatha, Please realize that CT scans are done with ionizing radiation. You would be best served to limit your exposure to this type of radiation. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Hi Bob, Yes, I'm familar with Thermography and have chosen this instead of the Mammograms, thank you. Tammatha - bob Larson oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:23 PM RE: Side Effects thermagrams seem to be the way to go these days AFAIK. very sensitive to highlight suspicious areas that might need to be checked into with other methods. oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Bob BaneverWednesday, May 27, 2009 6:08 PMoleander soup Subject: Re: Side Effects Tammatha, Please realize that CT scans are done with ionizing radiation. You would be best served to limit your exposure to this type of radiation. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Actually I used DIM for a very long time and it helped with all my female stuff tremendously. I stopped it because I chose to get the DIM in my green smoothies. I was eating quite a bit of brocolli sprouts, kale and other cruciferous veggies, it is much easier getting the DIM when you are a vegan and drink green smoothies. DIM is also fantastic for men with prostate cancer. Tammatha - bob Larson oleander soup Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:14 PM RE: Side Effects i'm surprised to not see DIM among the stuff you use? impressive strong work! oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of TammathaWednesday, May 27, 2009 4:52 PMoleander soup Subject: Re: Side Effects Hi Janet, No I don't mind at all. Yes, I rejected the recommended chemo and drugs I believe it was tamoxifin they wanted me to take. I did do a left mastectomy and they took out about 6 lympnodes. They ran me through in the quick cattle like manner that is so common so I didn't really have time to think or do research at that point. Had I known then what I know now I don't think I would have done the surgery. I believe I could have shrunk the tumor on my own, but it is past, can't change it now. I at least had the where with all to stop the madness after the surgery and said... hey slow down let me think about this. My oncologist was mortified and not happy at all with me so I found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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