Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Mike: Help me here. After a year on anti fungals my blood, several small growths and interaction with about 70 people at my doctors clinic have me convinced that fungus in fact does present a major problem to many people. I have read about 60 books on the subject and find that the maim problem is that because there is very little effort put into fungal education most people are not able to grasp why most doctors don't pursue it. Your entitled to your opinion. By the way ---- the earth is round not flat. Duke Most health problems are related to fungus in our bodies and the chemically treated rotting garbage we are offered at the Super Markets. dukestone --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: Mike Golden <goldenmike86Re: Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUSoleander soup Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 11:48 PM n .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 *Many people do have trouble with fungus.* What about Hulda Clark's assertion that all cancer comes from a combination of parasites and use of isopropyl alcohol??? http://www.cam.net.uk/home/aaa315/healing/CANCER.HTM#abstract I just now read this information. I am curious about whether or not there is an basis for this theory? TIA, Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 ....probably firmly based in uneducated dillusions. > > I just now read this information. I am curious about whether > or not there is an basis for this theory? > > TIA, Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Hi Jill, When Tony comes online he will explain why he does not agree with this assertion. There can be cancer present, or it can be a component, as Mike Golden has explained, but it is not the cause. The cause, mostly, is poor lifestyle choices, diet, toxins, etc. And, or course, a weakened immune system, together with an impaired liver. In the meantime, maybe Mike can clarify this issue for you. Hugs, oleander soup , "lillisilly" <evangelnet wrote:>> oleander soup , Mike Golden goldenmike86@ > *Many people do have trouble with fungus.* > > What about Hulda Clark's assertion that all cancer comes from a combination of parasites and use of isopropyl alcohol???> > http://www.cam.net.uk/home/aaa315/healing/CANCER.HTM#abstract> > I just now read this information. I am curious about whether or not there is an basis for this theory?> > TIA, Jill~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike--- On Thu, 5/21/09, lillisilly <evangelnet wrote: lillisilly <evangelnet Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUSoleander soup Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 12:59 PM oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> *Many people do have trouble with fungus.* What about Hulda Clark's assertion that all cancer comes from a combination of parasites and use of isopropyl alcohol???http://www.cam. net.uk/home/ aaa315/healing/ CANCER.HTM# abstractI just now read this information. I am curious about whether or not there is an basis for this theory?TIA, Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike--- On Thu, 5/21/09, lillisilly <evangelnet wrote: lillisilly <evangelnet Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUSoleander soup Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 12:59 PM oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> *Many people do have trouble with fungus.* What about Hulda Clark's assertion that all cancer comes from a combination of parasites and use of isopropyl alcohol???http://www.cam. net.uk/home/ aaa315/healing/ CANCER.HTM# abstractI just now read this information. I am curious about whether or not there is an basis for this theory?TIA, Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike --- On Thu, 5/21/09, lillisilly <evangelnet wrote: lillisilly <evangelnet Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUSoleander soup Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 12:59 PM oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> *Many people do have trouble with fungus.* What about Hulda Clark's assertion that all cancer comes from a combination of parasites and use of isopropyl alcohol???http://www.cam. net.uk/home/ aaa315/healing/ CANCER.HTM# abstractI just now read this information. I am curious about whether or not there is an basis for this theory?TIA, Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I don't know if Hulda Clark has gotten better at long term followup of some of her successful patients or not, something that could support her theories. I do know that twice I've heard in the news of a tumor with a parasite involved in it, in an unusual place. I know I try to keep the solvents and bad chemicals out of my house since reading her book. But I feel there are many causes of cancer, not just one or two. Nancy oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: > > Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. > > If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. > > Mike > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, lillisilly <evangelnet wrote: > > > lillisilly <evangelnet > Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUS > oleander soup > Thursday, May 21, 2009, 12:59 PM > > oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> > *Many people do have trouble with fungus.* > > What about Hulda Clark's assertion that all cancer comes from a combination of parasites and use of isopropyl alcohol??? > > http://www.cam. net.uk/home/ aaa315/healing/ CANCER.HTM# abstract > > I just now read this information. I am curious about whether or not there is an basis for this theory? > > TIA, Jill~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I agree, Nancy. I used Dr. Clark's zapper as one of my arsenals when getting well. I remember saving up for it and thinking, once I go it, that it would be crucial in my recovery. I also stopped using any type of isopropyl alcohol. I continue to use her recommended lab levels for serum testing when looking at labs for cancer clients. I love the fact that she never fell for the low cholesterol mantra. She says that 200 + one’s age is a healthy level. Tell that to your cardiologist and most likely he/she will have a heart attack! LOL! Over in Asia (mainly Thailand) there is a particular liver fluke that is implicated in liver cancer. It is from raw fish that has not been prepared well and is spread by the lack of good sanitation. They are actually seeing this liver fluke in some parts of Europe also. Not sure that liver flukes are actually looked for in most cancer patients. I do know that all my clients (cancer included) always benefit from several parasite cleanses. As Mike indicated, parasites do cause inflammation. I think it is important enough to persue, as far as cleansing, in order to cover all the bases. I have seen a lot of modalities/ideas that are looked upon as quackery, but may actually be of benefit for some people. Even since 2001 there has become a difference in the meaning of alternative medicine and natural medicine. Many practitioners think they are practicing alternative medicine if they incorporate supplements or something a little more controversial like colloidal silver. Natural medicine, in my opinion, goes much deeper than alternative medicine. I have seen what was considered alternative medicine six years ago become something that is now acceptable for some conventional practitioners. I think that Dr. Clark gave us some very valuable information and her reward has been scepticism and being called a " quack " even from colleagues. Too bad, as it is closed minds that will keep us from moving forward, even in the realm of natural medicine. One of the things that I was taught when dealing with cancer was to always keep an open mind and to eliminate the words “can’t” and “but”. (To this day I despise those words!) I said “ok” and actually told my doc that if he told me to stand on my head for 3 hours, I would do it. Many would say that type of open-mindedness is ridiculous and runs close to blind-faith……well, maybe, but I got well. Certainly there is always room for healthy skepticism but we must remember that none of us has any where near all the answers. Personally, I think we need to stop focusing solely on the cause and pay more attention to the terraine of the body. I know this sounds a bit simplistic but I would bet that if every fast-food joint and every restaurant in America shut down along with only being able to get fruits and veggies from local growers or our own back yard making it to where people had to return to cooking from scratch, we would see a tremendous move in the direction of wellness and thus the elimination of many so called diseases that are actually just “symptoms.” Be Well Loretta Oasis of Health & Wellness Blog I don't know if Hulda Clark has gotten better at long term followup of some of her successful patients or not, something that could support her theories. I do know that twice I've heard in the news of a tumor with a parasite involved in it, in an unusual place. I know I try to keep the solvents and bad chemicals out of my house since reading her book. But I feel there are many causes of cancer, not just one or two. Nancy oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I too happen to like Dr Clark's zapper and used it for years and believe it has helped me be well also. I was religiously using it daily for ages and my parasite count via bloodwork was always low. Now that I haven't used it awhile the parasite count is up, the little buggers, one always has to be vigilant in keeping them away! We are constantly being infected, it is a myth that we don't have parasites in the USA! Also, I haven't kept up with her parasite cleanses either another mistake. I learned and will not fall off the wagon again. Tammatha - Dr. Loretta Lanphier oleander soup Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:05 PM RE: Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUS I agree, Nancy. I used Dr. Clark's zapper as one of my arsenals when getting well. I remember saving up for it and thinking, once I go it, that it would be crucial in my recovery. I also stopped using any type of isopropyl alcohol. I continue to use her recommended lab levels for serum testing when looking at labs for cancer clients. I love the fact that she never fell for the low cholesterol mantra. She says that 200 + one’s age is a healthy level. Tell that to your cardiologist and most likely he/she will have a heart attack! LOL! Over in Asia (mainly Thailand) there is a particular liver fluke that is implicated in liver cancer. It is from raw fish that has not been prepared well and is spread by the lack of good sanitation. They are actually seeing this liver fluke in some parts of Europe also. Not sure that liver flukes are actually looked for in most cancer patients. I do know that all my clients (cancer included) always benefit from several parasite cleanses. As Mike indicated, parasites do cause inflammation. I think it is important enough to persue, as far as cleansing, in order to cover all the bases. I have seen a lot of modalities/ideas that are looked upon as quackery, but may actually be of benefit for some people. Even since 2001 there has become a difference in the meaning of alternative medicine and natural medicine. Many practitioners think they are practicing alternative medicine if they incorporate supplements or something a little more controversial like colloidal silver. Natural medicine, in my opinion, goes much deeper than alternative medicine. I have seen what was considered alternative medicine six years ago become something that is now acceptable for some conventional practitioners.I think that Dr. Clark gave us some very valuable information and her reward has been scepticism and being called a "quack" even from colleagues. Too bad, as it is closed minds that will keep us from moving forward, even in the realm of natural medicine. One of the things that I was taught when dealing with cancer was to always keep an open mind and to eliminate the words “can’t” and “but”. (To this day I despise those words!) I said “ok” and actually told my doc that if he told me to stand on my head for 3 hours, I would do it. Many would say that type of open-mindedness is ridiculous and runs close to blind-faith……well, maybe, but I got well. Certainly there is always room for healthy skepticism but we must remember that none of us has any where near all the answers. Personally, I think we need to stop focusing solely on the cause and pay more attention to the terraine of the body. I know this sounds a bit simplistic but I would bet that if every fast-food joint and every restaurant in America shut down along with only being able to get fruits and veggies from local growers or our own back yard making it to where people had to return to cooking from scratch, we would see a tremendous move in the direction of wellness and thus the elimination of many so called diseases that are actually just “symptoms.” Be WellLorettaOasis of Health & Wellness Blog I don't know if Hulda Clark has gotten better at long term followup of some of her successful patients or not, something that could support her theories. I do know that twice I've heard in the news of a tumor with a parasite involved in it, in an unusual place. I know I try to keep the solvents and bad chemicals out of my house since reading her book. But I feel there are many causes of cancer, not just one or two. Nancy oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Hi All,Hope someone has some info that will help. I'm having a great deal of pain in my right hip and the middle of the right buttocks. Don't know if this is 2 things going on - #1. lack of cartilage in right hip confirmed by x-ray a few years ago so I take glucosamine and chondroitan MSM combo from drrons.com which has helped if I remember to take it 3 to 4 times a day. Doctor 6-7 years ago said "hip replacement." I'm not going there!#2. Is the pain in the middle of the buttocks possibly sciatica nerve? I've had pain there and down right leg after sitting with legs upsince about 5 years after my son was born. I want to rid myself of this. What is making it happen?My Mother died of breast cancer, and I don't want to add that to my current health agenda.Anyone used Resveratrol? Can it help with my low energy levels? Have had candida for years, but one doctor said it's not bad. I hesitate to believe that. When I slide my fingers along my arm muscles, the muscles aren't smooth; they are lumpy and legs and stomach, too.I feel like something is racing through my body, depleting my energy and ability to move more and more in the last 3 weeks or so.I've cut out gluten, but still eat gluten-free grains. Cut grains out all together? There may be hidden gluten though. Will a body cleanse help, oral chelation (can't afford IV chelation)? I'm very afraid a body cleanse will be painful and unbearable..Have been told to consult a neurotherapy specialist to get rid of clinical depression I've had for almost 30 years. I forget what I'vealready posted here - one of my major problems certainly related to the poisons in my body, so I'm sorry for not remembering. Can oleander help me with any of what's going on with me. I'm starting to get scared. No, I am scared. I got an invitation to join this group, and I truly believe there is a good reason why I'm here.I started taking 5-HTP this morning instead of medication (Maprotiline) - probably not a smart move, but have no trust in medical "professionals" over the years. I had almost dead adrenals that I've been treated for at least last 4 years (forget) and I just read something about Maprotiline that I've been taking for almost 30 years - it surpresses noradrenaline. For almost 30 years? Is this thecause of my dead adrenals - which must be somewhat better now with treatment. Is the Maprotiline just outdoing the treatment? Has to do with cortisol, should be less than 160 or something like that. Dr. showed my test results, mine less than 8! I'm not suicidal, but I am so tired of being depressed, being in pain that is now with me all day and night last 3 weeks, the last 2 the most. It didn't hit me till sleeping last night how bad I've been feeling, think I just thought it would go away soon. It hasn't. I don't trust my primary doctor as my right clavicle is raised up in front of my thyroid and has pain shooting through it sometimes (have hypothyroidism) and she said it's my muscles, that I just need to have better posture.. My posture is not bad. She didn't even look at the clavicle up close or touch it. An x-ray showed it's not broken, I was told. I could have told the doctor that. I also have arthritis in my neck, limited by how far I can turn my head from side to side and up and down, all with pain. Is arthritis from parasites? I'm probably not making any sense, and I'm sorry if I am.. I need direction, support, maybe see Dr. Ron in Connecticut? Don't know.I don't want to treat my medical issues; I want to get rid of them. Something is in me that's making these things go wrong. I want to befree of it all. I have so much I want to do, but the pain limits me physically and emotionally. I care for my 6 mo. old granddaughter, and it's sometimes hard to move around, carrying her, even sitting with her. I think what scares me is that I may get so I can't think straight anymore, and my husband is so far away from knowing what to do for me if a medical decision needs to be made for me that I can't make for myself. Help.LynDr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphieroleander soup Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:05:34 AMRE: Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUS I agree, Nancy. I used Dr. Clark's zapper as one of my arsenals when getting well. I remember saving up for it and thinking, once I go it, that it would be crucial in my recovery. I also stopped using any type of isopropyl alcohol. I continue to use her recommended lab levels for serum testing when looking at labs for cancer clients. I love the fact that she never fell for the low cholesterol mantra. She says that 200 + one’s age is a healthy level. Tell that to your cardiologist and most likely he/she will have a heart attack! LOL! Over in Asia (mainly Thailand) there is a particular liver fluke that is implicated in liver cancer. It is from raw fish that has not been prepared well and is spread by the lack of good sanitation. They are actually seeing this liver fluke in some parts of Europe also. Not sure that liver flukes are actually looked for in most cancer patients. I do know that all my clients (cancer included) always benefit from several parasite cleanses. As Mike indicated, parasites do cause inflammation. I think it is important enough to persue, as far as cleansing, in order to cover all the bases. I have seen a lot of modalities/ideas that are looked upon as quackery, but may actually be of benefit for some people. Even since 2001 there has become a difference in the meaning of alternative medicine and natural medicine. Many practitioners think they are practicing alternative medicine if they incorporate supplements or something a little more controversial like colloidal silver. Natural medicine, in my opinion, goes much deeper than alternative medicine. I have seen what was considered alternative medicine six years ago become something that is now acceptable for some conventional practitioners. I think that Dr. Clark gave us some very valuable information and her reward has been scepticism and being called a "quack" even from colleagues. Too bad, as it is closed minds that will keep us from moving forward, even in the realm of natural medicine. One of the things that I was taught when dealing with cancer was to always keep an open mind and to eliminate the words “can’t†and “butâ€. (To this day I despise those words!) I said “ok†and actually told my doc that if he told me to stand on my head for 3 hours, I would do it. Many would say that type of open-mindedness is ridiculous and runs close to blind-faith……well, maybe, but I got well. Certainly there is always room for healthy skepticism but we must remember that none of us has any where near all the answers. Personally, I think we need to stop focusing solely on the cause and pay more attention to the terraine of the body. I know this sounds a bit simplistic but I would bet that if every fast-food joint and every restaurant in America shut down along with only being able to get fruits and veggies from local growers or our own back yard making it to where people had to return to cooking from scratch, we would see a tremendous move in the direction of wellness and thus the elimination of many so called diseases that are actually just “symptoms.†Be Well Loretta Oasis of Health & Wellness Blog I don't know if Hulda Clark has gotten better at long term followup of some of her successful patients or not, something that could support her theories. I do know that twice I've heard in the news of a tumor with a parasite involved in it, in an unusual place. I know I try to keep the solvents and bad chemicals out of my house since reading her book. But I feel there are many causes of cancer, not just one or two. Nancy oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote: Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks to all for your replies. It seemed a bit too simplistic to me. And I also thought of the fact that people have been getting cancers for a lot longer than those that have had access to isopropyl alcohol. But, you never know, do you? Blessings, Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yep. We have to keep up our habit of wiping them out! I do also take black walnut tincture and take other precautions like apple cider vinegar. Changing your Ph will make them crazy. If one keeps "adjusting" your inner environment to what they really don't like, they will leave. Quickly! I like Hulda's zapper. I've owned a Canadian Auto-Zap www.bestzapper.com since 1995. They have actually used the same technology and are friends with Dr. Clark. I use it once a day, alternating days, sometimes two days apart, all year. Haven't had a problem I do recommend that if you own animals, you take precautions in some way, to remove the parasites. Lets start a discussion on this. To what extent are parasites actually dangerous to humans? Yes, yes, I know that may eat us alive, but what amount are beneficial? Happiness to all........... Rich In a message dated 5/22/2009 1:55:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tammatha writes: I too happen to like Dr Clark's zapper and used it for years and believe it has helped me be well also. I was religiously using it daily for ages and my parasite count via blood work was always low. Now that I haven't used it awhile the parasite count is up, the little buggers, one always has to be vigilant in keeping them away! We are constantly being infected, it is a myth that we don't have parasites in the USA! Also, I haven't kept up with her parasite cleanses either another mistake. I learned and will not fall off the wagon again. Tammatha - Dr. Loretta Lanphier oleander soup Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:05 PM RE: Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUS I agree, Nancy. I used Dr. Clark's zapper as one of my arsenals when getting well. I remember saving up for it and thinking, once I go it, that it would be crucial in my recovery. I also stopped using any type of isopropyl alcohol. I continue to use her recommended lab levels for serum testing when looking at labs for cancer clients. I love the fact that she never fell for the low cholesterol mantra. She says that 200 + one’s age is a healthy level. Tell that to your cardiologist and most likely he/she will have a heart attack! LOL! Over in Asia (mainly Thailand) there is a particular liver fluke that is implicated in liver cancer. It is from raw fish that has not been prepared well and is spread by the lack of good sanitation. They are actually seeing this liver fluke in some parts of Europe also. Not sure that liver flukes are actually looked for in most cancer patients. I do know that all my clients (cancer included) always benefit from several parasite cleanses. As Mike indicated, parasites do cause inflammation. I think it is important enough to persue, as far as cleansing, in order to cover all the bases. I have seen a lot of modalities/ideas that are looked upon as quackery, but may actually be of benefit for some people. Even since 2001 there has become a difference in the meaning of alternative medicine and natural medicine. Many practitioners think they are practicing alternative medicine if they incorporate supplements or something a little more controversial like colloidal silver. Natural medicine, in my opinion, goes much deeper than alternative medicine. I have seen what was considered alternative medicine six years ago become something that is now acceptable for some conventional practitioners.I think that Dr. Clark gave us some very valuable information and her reward has been scepticism and being called a "quack" even from colleagues. Too bad, as it is closed minds that will keep us from moving forward, even in the realm of natural medicine. One of the things that I was taught when dealing with cancer was to always keep an open mind and to eliminate the words “can’t†and “butâ€. (To this day I despise those words!) I said “ok†and actually told my doc that if he told me to stand on my head for 3 hours, I would do it. Many would say that type of open-mindedness is ridiculous and runs close to blind-faith……well, maybe, but I got well. Certainly there is always room for healthy skepticism but we must remember that none of us has any where near all the answers. Personally, I think we need to stop focusing solely on the cause and pay more attention to the terraine of the body. I know this sounds a bit simplistic but I would bet that if every fast-food joint and every restaurant in America shut down along with only being able to get fruits and veggies from local growers or our own back yard making it to where people had to return to cooking from scratch, we would see a tremendous move in the direction of wellness and thus the elimination of many so called diseases that are actually just “symptoms.†Be WellLorettaOasis of Health & Wellness Blog I don't know if Hulda Clark has gotten better at long term followup of some of her successful patients or not, something that could support her theories. I do know that twice I've heard in the news of a tumor with a parasite involved in it, in an unusual place. I know I try to keep the solvents and bad chemicals out of my house since reading her book. But I feel there are many causes of cancer, not just one or two. Nancy oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I believe in being fair. Dr. Clark has presented thousands of pages of data over 40-50 years. Perhaps you would like to present your sources to the group, for our perusal ,reading and comment. Thanks. Rich In a message dated 5/21/2009 9:19:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goldenmike86 writes: Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike --- On Thu, 5/21/09, lillisilly <evangelnet wrote: lillisilly <evangelnet Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUSoleander soup Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 12:59 PM oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> *Many people do have trouble with fungus.* What about Hulda Clark's assertion that all cancer comes from a combination of parasites and use of isopropyl alcohol???http://www.cam. net.uk/home/ aaa315/healing/ CANCER.HTM# abstractI just now read this information. I am curious about whether or not there is an basis for this theory?TIA, Jill~ Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I'm afraid the burden of proof is on the side of Clark. Her contentions fly in the face of parasitology as it is understood and taught. Parasitologists (like mycologists) are academic scientists, involved in the interests of their branch of science. If they thought that parasites, the objects of their affection, were the cause of most cancers, they would be broadly publishing on this. That would really pump up their research budgets and grant money. However, unlike Clark, they are not finding all these liver flukes in people. There are thousands of these guys with thousands of microscopes. They've been in business for longer than Clark's "50 years". Who are we supposed to believe on this one? Mike--- On Sat, 5/23/09, richmaj <richmaj wrote: richmaj <richmajRe: Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUSoleander soup Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 1:18 AM I believe in being fair. Dr. Clark has presented thousands of pages of data over 40-50 years. Perhaps you would like to present your sources to the group, for our perusal ,reading and comment. Thanks. Rich In a message dated 5/21/2009 9:19:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goldenmike86@ writes: Just about anything that causes inflammation might contribute to the formation of a tumor. This could include chemicals, radiation, physical trauma, chronic inflammatory disease, etc. Parasites can cause inflammation, so they can be included. Is there such a thing as liver flukes? Yes. Are they commonly found in cancer patients? No. Is isopropyl alchohol somehow connected here, and can it mysteriously attract flukes? No. If you throw enough goop against the wall some of it will stick. This is pretty much the way I look at Clark's statements. They include some well known alternative concepts mixed with a lot of stuff that seems to come from an overactive imagination. Mike --- On Thu, 5/21/09, lillisilly <evangelnet (AT) vtlink (DOT) net> wrote: lillisilly <evangelnet (AT) vtlink (DOT) net> Re: CANCER IS A FUNGUSoleander soupThursday, May 21, 2009, 12:59 PM oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> *Many people do have trouble with fungus.* What about Hulda Clark's assertion that all cancer comes from a combination of parasites and use of isopropyl alcohol???http://www.cam. net.uk/home/ aaa315/healing/ CANCER.HTM# abstractI just now read this information. I am curious about whether or not there is an basis for this theory?TIA, Jill~ Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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