To Dr Mercola : why animal proteins are killing cancer pa...

[Guest guest]

Hummmm,

 

I've been drinking raw goat and cow milk since 1962.

I cannot recall ever contracting any of your listed conditions.

Nor have my children, who are now 33 and 35.

Maybe my sources are trustworthy.

I can say that I feel pretty darned good for a olde geezer.

 

Thank you for your input!

It's very important in this forum.

 

Rich

 

 

In a message dated 5/20/2009 11:12:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shaman_urban writes:

OPINION :Here a small list of what you can get from drinking raw milk--------------------------Bacterias and VirusExamples of pathogens isolated from raw milk or linked to outbreaks/illnesses.Google this before you drink raw milk.. Here we are not talking about ear infection, but about some very painful condition and with sometimes irreversible consequences. Is it worth to take a chance ?/! You tell me !Brucella: Mortality is low (<2%), and is usually associated with endocarditis.Campylobacter : may develop a rare disease called Guillain-Barré syndrome that affects the nerves of the body beginning several weeks after the diarrheal illness, irreversible.Coxiella burnetii (Q fever) : " Surgery to remove damaged valves may be required for some cases of C. burnetii endocarditis"Cryptosporidium : "People with weakened immune systems may develop serious, chronic, and sometimes fatal illness."E. coli O157/EHEC : " that cause severe human diseases, including bloody diarrhea and hemolytic uremic syndrome"Listeria monocytogenes : " When infection occurs during pregnancy, antibiotics given promptly to the pregnant woman can often prevent infection of the fetus or newborn.Babies with listeriosis receive the same antibiotics as adults, although a combination of antibiotics is often used until physicians are certain of the diagnosis. Even with prompt treatment, some infections result in death"Mycobacterium bovis (Bovine tuberculosis) : " Mycobacterium bovis is the causative agent of tuberculosis "Salmonella enterica : " A small number of persons with Salmonella develop pain in their joints, irritation of the eyes, and painful urination. This is called Reiter's syndrome. It can last for months or years, and can lead to chronic arthritis which is difficult to treat"Salmonella typhi (Typhoid fever) : " Even if your symptoms seem to go away, you may still be carrying S. Typhi . If so, the illness could return, or you could pass the disease to other people"Shigella : " Once someone has had shigellosis, they are not likely to get infected with that specific type again for at least several years. However, they can still get infected with other types of Shigella"Staphylococcal enterotoxins : Staphylococcal toxins are fast acting, sometimes causing illness in as little as 30 minutes. Symptoms usually develop within one to six hours after eating contaminated food. Patients typically experience several of the following: nausea, vomiting, stomach cramps, and diarrhea"Steptococcus : "Death occurs in 14% of hospitalized adults with invasive disease. Neurologic sequelae occur in meningitis patients. "Tick-borne encephalitis virus : " Although TBE is most commonly recognized as a neurologic disease, mild febrile illnesses can also occur. Long-lasting or permanent neuropsychiatric sequelae are observed in 10-20% of infected patient"Toxoplasma :" Toxoplasmosis is considered to be the third leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the United States. More than 60 million men, women, and children in the U.S. carry the Toxoplasma parasit"Yersinia enterocolitica : "Most infections are uncomplicated and resolve completely. Occasionally, some persons develop joint pain, most commonly in the knees, ankles or wrist"=================================Also LEUKEMIA,NON HODGKIN'S LYMPHOMA AND SOME HERPES VIRUS that survive perfectly pasteurization . pasteurization is not a sterilization !!=================================Antibiotics ================================ Growth hormones. BGH (rBGH) which increased risk of serous ovarian cancer.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15531686=================================Regarding the Budwig Diet I believe that the benefits outcomes the risk for people who are not milk intolerant.================================================================I will not enter in a debate on this subject unless officialy authorized by the group owner.---

[Guest guest]

I thank you again for sharing.

Perhaps the group would like to chime in on successes with raw milk?

I sure cannot vouch for manufactured milk in the US.

In my view, it's dead food.

 

Rich

 

 

In a message dated 5/20/2009 11:13:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shaman_urban writes:

OPINION: How Milk that you promote is killing cancer patients -------------------Once upon a time in India, two unknown Doctors: Madhavan T. and Gopalan C. published research in 1968 in an obscure Medical Journal that suggested a direct relation between animal protein and cancer.Madhavan T. and Gopalan C .The Effect of dietary protein on carcinogenesis of aflatoxin.Meanwhile in the Philippines:Doctor Campbell, an American Researcher, is trying to find a solution for malnourishment in poor populations by feeding them food with high protein content: peanuts in this case. Unfortunately he encounters a problem with a fungus called Aflatoxin.What is Aflatoxin?Aflatoxin is a fungus, a mold, a potent toxic, highly carcinogenic, mutagenic, and immunosuppressive agent.The crop of peanuts that Dr. Campbell was promoting and giving to the poor and malnourished children of the Philippines, were contaminated by this carcinogenic mold.Peanuts are very rich in Protein but Aflatoxin was promoting Liver Cancer in the poor, but not only to the poor…The trouble with Aflatoxin:During a conversation with President Marcos's personal doctor, Dr. Campbell discovers that even the wealthiest kids from Manila, Philippines had cancer of the liver and at a greater rate than the poor. The wealthy kids had access to numerous protein sources including meats and dairies. Could it be that there was a link between animal protein and cancer, like in the Indian study?This was the start of one of the greatest adventures in the modern history of medicine.Destiny (and irony) took T Colin Campbell, a man who dedicated all his energy in the study and promotion of protein, especially animal protein, and led him to become the greatest advocate against it.The Mission:Colin Campbell, with two separate research teams, spent the next 35 years conducting research on the relation between animal protein and cancer.First logical step: to corroborate the Indian ResearchMethod:Take two groups of laboratory rats:Feed the first group with 20% protein and feed the second group with 5% protein.Give both groups enough Aflatoxin TO GET CANCER and then wait…Results:Every single rat fed with 20% protein had liver cancer or precursor lesionsNot a single rat in the second group had cancer or lesions.See China Study : page 57 & 58With 5% casein, cancer was stopped, and with 20% casein, it grew!!Implications:It is a 100% versus 0% success rate; we've discovered a very dangerous chemical like Dioxin which can promote cancer, and the name of this product is Animal Protein. Or maybe the experiment was faulty?Second logical step, increase the level of AflatoxinMethod:Take two groups of laboratory rats:One will be fed with a high Aflatoxin dose and a low protein Diet.One with a low Aflatoxin dose and a high protein Diet.Results:The rats with the high-aflatoxin dose fed with aLow 5% protein Diet.LESS FOCI* OF CANCERThe rats with the low-aflatoxin dose feed with aHigh 20% protein Diet.MORE FOCI OF CANCER…*Foci: Pathology The regions of a localized bodily infection or disease. In this case group of cancer cells.Implications:A. The link is established between the quantity of protein consumed and cancerous cell development.B. Protein was more detrimental in increasing the number of cancer foci than a dangerous carcinogen like Aflatoxin.Third logical step: challenging the results and evidence acquired so far:Method:Take two groups of laboratory rats:The group with the high-aflatoxin dose and a low protein Diet 5%WILL NOW BE SWITCHED TO A HIGH PROTEIN DIET IN A SECOND PHASEAND THEN BACK AGAIN TO A LOW PROTEIN DIET…Results:Foci INCREASE in size and number at the level of 20 % protein intake.Foci DECREASE in size and number at the level of less than 10 % protein intake. First implication: The body could remember early carcinogen insults and they could be "restarted" or, if you prefer, "Jump started" just by increasing protein Intake. Second amazing implication:FOCI GROWTH COULD BE REVERSED, INCREASED OR DECREASED, BY SWITCHING THE AMOUNT OF PROTEIN BEING CONSUMED AT ALL STAGES OF FOCI DEVELOPMENT It is time for the public to take action and to take matters into their own hands for a better future, fully aware of the cause of this genocide. It is also time for law makers and politicians to understand that they are not above other fellow human beings and they will die from diseases that were mostly avoidable, just like the poor. Third amazing implication: This is the first time in History that we know what could be the biggest cause for the cancer epidemic, Animal Protein. Fourth amazing implication: This is also the first time that we can take personal control against this disease by preventing it or reversing it! Nobody is powerless anymore in the fight against cancer:Genetics Versus Nutrition:A report prepared for the US Congress in 1981, estimated that genetics only determines about 2-3% of total cancer risk. In China the counties with the highest rates of some cancers where more than 100 times greater than counties with the lowest rates." (1)Mapping Cancer and discovering its relation with nutrition was incredibly revealing.Last logical step: check if all protein has the same effects on cancer:This was also tested by Doctor Campbell and his teams of researchers. Protein used in these experiments wich makes up of 87 % casein from cow milk. In these experiments plant protein did not and could not promote cancer growth, even at the higher level of intakeImplication:That casein from milk could increase production of cancer cell in rats. However, plant protein did not promote growth of cancer cells. Curiously most of the practitioners of alternative medicine, very early in time, recommended their patients to switch to a vegetarian diet. See for example: the pioneers Max Gerson in 1946. Ann Wigmore 1960 just to cite a couple.Next Dr.Campbell conducted research on mice infected with liver cancer induced by hepatitis B.And he got essentially the same results (1)(1)The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 63Food for thought: The level of protein intake causing tumor growth in rats is at the same level that humans consume in this country (1) or in most of the Western Countries. (1)The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 62 and 67 ( 10 to 20 % of dietary Protein level ) Implication: The results of these, and many others studies, showed Nutrition to be far more important in controlling cancer promotion than the dose of the initiating carcinogen" The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 66 National Academy of Sciences Press Release. " Report offers new eating and physical activity targets to reduce chronic disease risks " sept 5 2002 Washington DC.Breast CancerThe relation between animal fat and breast cancer was established by Ken Caroll PHD in 1986"Thailand, Sri Lanka and El Salvador were at the bottom of the consumers of animal fat and at the bottom of breast Cancer statistics. At the top was UK and Netherlands with almost 6 times more breast cancer "Caroll KK, Braden LM and Bell JA " Fat and Cancer " Cancer 58More facts on Breast CancerA very recent statistical study concludes that eating just 50 grams of red meat – a statistic highlighted by much of the British media – also heightens the risk of Breast Cancer.The report looked at statistics from more than 35,000 women aged between 35 and 69Between 1995 and 1998.Nutritional Epidemiology Group at the University of Leeds British Journal of Cancer 2007/ 96 1139-1146Breast Cancer Discoveries"Findings from rural China showed that reducing dietary fat from 24% to 6% was associated with lower breast cancer risk "The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 86A Coincidence ?High animal protein and refined carbohydrates:Lower the age of menarche (first menstruation)Raise the age of menopauseIncrease blood cholesterolIncrease level of female hormones (especially estrogen) in the bloodWhat are the risk factors for breast cancer?Early age of menarcheLate age of menopauseHigh blood cholesterolHigh level of female hormones (especially estrogen)Discoveries on estrogen from the China Study:Chinese Women were 200% to 300% less exposed to estrogen than American women.What we already know about Estrogen and Animal Protein:Increase of Estrogen and related hormones are a result of a diet high in fat and animal product and low in dietary fiber (1) (2) (3)(4) (5) (6)REFERENCES :1) Wu,AH, Pike MC and Stram" Meta –Analysis dietary fat intake, seru m estrogen levels, and the risk of breast cancer" Cancer Inst. 1999(2) Rosenthal MB , Barnard, Rose et al : " Effects of a hight-complex-carbohydrate, low-fat, low cholesterol diet on level of serum lipid and estradiol" 1985(3) Tymchuck CN , Tessler SB and Barnard RJ " Changes in sex Hormone binding globulin, insulin and serum lipids in postmenopausal women on a low-fat diet, high-fiber diet combine with exercise. Nutr. Cancer 2000(4) Dongan, J Hunsberger S, A, McMahon Rp et Al. " Diet and sex Hormones in girls : finding from a randomized controlled clinical trial.' J.Nat. Cancer Inst. 95 (2003)(5) Women Health Initiative Investigators J " Risk and benefits of estrogen plus progestin in healthy postmenopausal women" JAMA 288(6) Women Hulley S, Grady D, Bush T and Al " Randomized trial of estrogen plus postaglandin for secondary prevention of coronary heart disease in postmenopausal women, JAMA 280 (1998 )Several female hormones were reduced to safe levels at the onset of puberty simply by having girls consume a low fat, low animal based diet. Reduction was 25% to 30% up to 50 % Dongan J, Hunsberger S, A, McMahon Rp et Al. " Diet and sex Hormones in girls : finding from a randomized controlled clinical trial.' J.Nat. Cancer Inst. 95 (2003)---Prostate CancerWhat we already know about Prostate Cancer and Animal Protein:A 2001 Harvard review of research found that 12 out of 14 case-control studies and that7 out of 9 cohort studies have observed a positive association for some measure of dairy products and Prostate Cancer in published literature.In these studies, men with the highest dairy intakes had double the risk of total prostate cancer and up to a fourfold increase in metastatic or fatal prostate cancer.This year 500,000 more people will learn that they have a cancer of the breast, prostate or lower bowel. They represent 40% of all new cancer patients.Another new discovery of The China Study:It was found after analyzing the data collected in more than 2,400 counties in China that the minimum level of Cholesterol in our "Western Country" was equivalent to the maximum level in China.Cholesterol is definitively an indicator of disease risk. Several studies have now shown that consuming animal protein increases blood cholesterol level. (1) (2) references(1)Theses data are from villages SA, LC and RA for women and SA,QC and NB for men . Monograph ( Chen and al ) 1990(2)Krichevsky D, Tepper SA, Czanecki SK et Al "Atherogenicity of animal and vegetable protein . Influence in of the Lysine and Arginine ratio". Atherosclerosis, 41 (1982)=================================================================Note :I will not enter in a debate on animal protein , been there, done that; unless i am officially authorized by the group owner.---

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Raw for me! Can't vouch for the pasteurised, homogenised or "lite" or "calcium fortified" milk here in NZ even if it IS grass fed. The cows are vaccinated so I wouldn't touch it unless produced on an unvaccinated "organic" farm.2% of our dairy herd is given hormones.. Well, that's how much they admit to. Our big milk producer Fonterra, got out of China post haste, unseemly even, when the melamine hit the fan.. CEO on the news looked VERY pale as though he just escaped the firing squad himself. Couldn't get much in the way of info out of him either. Won't drink HIS products that's for sure.Personal preference - I don't like raw milk to drink unless it is very cold, but like the cheese and butter. When we were weaned we STAYED weaned and weren't switched over to animal milk. I first tasted animal milk when I was 12 years old and didn't like it, still

warm from the cow. I got used to it refrigerated. I would like to see human milk pass that bacteria test, especially mothers whose diets are SAD. I might be wrong but isn't this how animals/humans develop immunity? I don't see calves dropping like flies from all the bugs. Also we absolutely need the bacteria. They are the clean up crews. If we eat dreck, they multiply and their endotoxin (waste) makes us feel sick. Our bodies are programmed to clean house and survive. Just because there are firemen at the blaze doesn't mean the firemen caused the blaze - they are the clean up crew. Mara--- On Wed, 5/20/09, richmaj <richmaj wrote:richmaj <richmajRe: To Dr Mercola : why animal proteins are killing cancer pa...To:

oleander soup Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 8:38 PM

 

 

 

I thank you again for sharing.

Perhaps the group would like to chime in on successes with raw milk?

I sure cannot vouch for manufactured milk in the US.

In my view, it's dead food.

 

Rich

 

 

In a message dated 5/20/2009 11:13:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shaman_urban@ writes:

OPINION: How Milk that you promote is killing cancer patients ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----Once upon a time in India, two unknown Doctors: Madhavan T. and Gopalan C. published research in 1968 in an obscure Medical Journal that suggested a direct relation between animal protein and cancer.Madhavan T. and Gopalan C .The Effect of dietary protein on carcinogenesis of aflatoxin.Meanwhile in the Philippines:Doctor Campbell, an American Researcher, is trying to find a solution for malnourishment in poor populations by feeding them food with high protein content: peanuts in this case. Unfortunately he encounters a problem with a fungus called Aflatoxin.What is Aflatoxin?Aflatoxin is a fungus, a mold, a potent toxic, highly carcinogenic, mutagenic, and immunosuppressive agent.The crop of peanuts that Dr. Campbell was promoting and giving to the poor and malnourished children of the Philippines, were contaminated by this carcinogenic mold.Peanuts are very rich in Protein but Aflatoxin was promoting Liver Cancer in the poor, but not only to the poor…The trouble with Aflatoxin:During a conversation with President Marcos's personal doctor, Dr. Campbell discovers that even the wealthiest kids from Manila, Philippines had cancer of the liver and at a greater rate than the poor. The wealthy kids had access to numerous protein sources including meats and dairies. Could it be that there was a link between animal protein and cancer, like in the Indian study?This was the start of one of the greatest adventures in the modern history of medicine.Destiny (and irony) took T Colin Campbell, a man who dedicated all his energy in the study and promotion of protein, especially animal protein, and led him to become the greatest advocate against it.The Mission:Colin Campbell, with two separate research teams, spent the next 35 years conducting research on the relation between animal protein and cancer.First logical step: to corroborate the Indian ResearchMethod:Take two groups of laboratory rats:Feed the first group with 20% protein and feed the second group with 5% protein.Give both groups enough Aflatoxin TO GET CANCER and then wait…Results:Every single rat fed with 20% protein had liver cancer or precursor lesionsNot a single rat in the second group had cancer or lesions.See China Study : page 57 & 58With 5% casein, cancer was stopped, and with 20% casein, it grew!!Implications:It is a 100% versus 0% success rate; we've discovered a very dangerous chemical like Dioxin which can promote cancer, and the name of this product is Animal Protein. Or maybe the experiment was faulty?Second logical step, increase the level of AflatoxinMethod:Take two groups of laboratory rats:One will be fed with a high Aflatoxin dose and a low protein Diet.One with a low Aflatoxin dose and a high protein Diet.Results:The rats with the high-aflatoxin dose fed with aLow 5% protein Diet.LESS FOCI* OF CANCERThe rats with the low-aflatoxin dose feed with aHigh 20% protein Diet.MORE FOCI OF CANCER…*Foci: Pathology The regions of a localized bodily infection or disease. In this case group of cancer cells.Implications:A. The link is established between the quantity of protein consumed and cancerous cell development.B. Protein was more detrimental in increasing the number of cancer foci than a dangerous carcinogen like Aflatoxin.Third logical step: challenging the results and evidence acquired so far:Method:Take two groups of laboratory rats:The group with the high-aflatoxin dose and a low protein Diet 5%WILL NOW BE SWITCHED TO A HIGH PROTEIN DIET IN A SECOND PHASEAND THEN BACK AGAIN TO A LOW PROTEIN DIET…Results:Foci INCREASE in size and number at the level of 20 % protein intake.Foci DECREASE in size and number at the level of less than 10 % protein intake. First implication: The body could remember early carcinogen insults and they could be "restarted" or, if you prefer, "Jump started" just by increasing protein Intake. Second amazing implication: FOCI GROWTH COULD BE REVERSED, INCREASED OR DECREASED, BY SWITCHING THE AMOUNT OF PROTEIN BEING CONSUMED AT ALL STAGES OF FOCI DEVELOPMENT It is time for the public to take action and to take matters into their own hands for a better future, fully aware of the cause of this genocide. It is also time for law makers and politicians to understand that they are not above other fellow human beings and they will die from diseases that were mostly avoidable, just like the poor. Third amazing implication: This is the first time in History that we know what could be the biggest cause for the cancer epidemic, Animal Protein. Fourth amazing implication: This is also the first time that we can take personal control against this disease by preventing it or reversing it! Nobody is powerless anymore in the fight against cancer:Genetics Versus Nutrition:A report prepared for the US Congress in 1981, estimated that genetics only determines about 2-3% of total cancer risk. In China the counties with the highest rates of some cancers where more than 100 times greater than counties with the lowest rates." (1)Mapping Cancer and discovering its relation with nutrition was incredibly revealing.Last logical step: check if all protein has the same effects on cancer:This was also tested by Doctor Campbell and his teams of researchers. Protein used in these experiments wich makes up of 87 % casein from cow milk. In these experiments plant protein did not and could not promote cancer growth, even at the higher level of intakeImplication:That casein from milk could increase production of cancer cell in rats. However, plant protein did not promote growth of cancer cells. Curiously most of the practitioners of alternative medicine, very early in time, recommended their patients to switch to a vegetarian diet. See for example: the pioneers Max Gerson in 1946. Ann Wigmore 1960 just to cite a couple.Next Dr.Campbell conducted research on mice infected with liver cancer induced by hepatitis B.And he got essentially the same results (1)(1)The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 63Food for thought: The level of protein intake causing tumor growth in rats is at the same level that humans consume in this country (1) or in most of the Western Countries. (1)The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 62 and 67 ( 10 to 20 % of dietary Protein level ) Implication: The results of these, and many others studies, showed Nutrition to be far more important in controlling cancer promotion than the dose of the initiating carcinogen" The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 66 National Academy of Sciences Press Release. " Report offers new eating and physical activity targets to reduce chronic disease risks " sept 5 2002 Washington DC.Breast CancerThe relation between animal fat and breast cancer was established by Ken Caroll PHD in 1986"Thailand, Sri Lanka and El Salvador were at the bottom of the consumers of animal fat and at the bottom of breast Cancer statistics. At the top was UK and Netherlands with almost 6 times more breast cancer "Caroll KK, Braden LM and Bell JA " Fat and Cancer " Cancer 58More facts on Breast CancerA very recent statistical study concludes that eating just 50 grams of red meat – a statistic highlighted by much of the British media – also heightens the risk of Breast Cancer.The report looked at statistics from more than 35,000 women aged between 35 and 69Between 1995 and 1998.Nutritional Epidemiology Group at the University of Leeds British Journal of Cancer 2007/ 96 1139-1146Breast Cancer Discoveries"Findings from rural China showed that reducing dietary fat from 24% to 6% was associated with lower breast cancer risk "The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 86A Coincidence ?High animal protein and refined carbohydrates:Lower the age of menarche (first menstruation)Raise the age of menopauseIncrease blood cholesterolIncrease level of female hormones (especially estrogen) in the bloodWhat are the risk factors for breast cancer?Early age of menarcheLate age of menopauseHigh blood cholesterolHigh level of female hormones (especially estrogen)Discoveries on estrogen from the China Study:Chinese Women were 200% to 300% less exposed to estrogen than American women.What we already know about Estrogen and Animal Protein:Increase of Estrogen and related hormones are a result of a diet high in fat and animal product and low in dietary fiber (1) (2) (3)(4) (5) (6)REFERENCES :1) Wu,AH, Pike MC and Stram" Meta –Analysis dietary fat intake, seru m estrogen levels, and the risk of breast cancer" Cancer Inst. 1999(2) Rosenthal MB , Barnard, Rose et al : " Effects of a hight-complex- carbohydrate, low-fat, low cholesterol diet on level of serum lipid and estradiol" 1985(3) Tymchuck CN , Tessler SB and Barnard RJ " Changes in sex Hormone binding globulin, insulin and serum lipids in postmenopausal women on a low-fat diet, high-fiber diet combine with exercise. Nutr.. Cancer 2000(4) Dongan, J Hunsberger S, A, McMahon Rp et Al. " Diet and sex Hormones in girls : finding from a randomized controlled clinical trial.' J.Nat. Cancer Inst. 95 (2003)(5) Women Health Initiative Investigators J " Risk and benefits of estrogen plus progestin in healthy postmenopausal women" JAMA 288(6) Women Hulley S, Grady D, Bush T and Al " Randomized trial of estrogen plus postaglandin for secondary prevention of coronary heart disease in postmenopausal women, JAMA 280 (1998 )Several female hormones were reduced to safe levels at the onset of puberty simply by having girls consume a low fat, low animal based diet. Reduction was 25% to 30% up to 50 % Dongan J, Hunsberger S, A, McMahon Rp et Al. " Diet and sex Hormones in girls : finding from a randomized controlled clinical trial.' J.Nat. Cancer Inst. 95 (2003)------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---Prostate CancerWhat we already know about Prostate Cancer and Animal Protein:A 2001 Harvard review of research found that 12 out of 14 case-control studies and that7 out of 9 cohort studies have observed a positive association for some measure of dairy products and Prostate Cancer in published literature.In these studies, men with the highest dairy intakes had double the risk of total prostate cancer and up to a fourfold increase in metastatic or fatal prostate cancer.This year 500,000 more people will learn that they have a cancer of the breast, prostate or lower bowel. They represent 40% of all new cancer patients.Another new discovery of The China Study:It was found after analyzing the data collected in more than 2,400 counties in China that the minimum level of Cholesterol in our "Western Country" was equivalent to the maximum level in China.Cholesterol is definitively an indicator of disease risk. Several studies have now shown that consuming animal protein increases blood cholesterol level. (1) (2) references(1)Theses data are from villages SA, LC and RA for women and SA,QC and NB for men . Monograph ( Chen and al ) 1990(2)Krichevsky D, Tepper SA, Czanecki SK et Al "Atherogenicity of animal and vegetable protein . Influence in of the Lysine and Arginine ratio". Atherosclerosis, 41 (1982)============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========Note :I will not enter in a debate on animal protein , been there, done that; unless i am officially authorized by the group owner.------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

Rich,

 

I drink raw goat and cows milk also and agree that pasteurization of milk

makes it dead. I no longer drink much since it is mucus forming and I have

a problem with mucus.

 

Teri

[Guest guest]

I highly recommend everyone read the book " The Untold Story of Milk " by Ron

Schmid. It is absolutely the most thorough, balanced, informative and

interesting book I have ever read on the subject of raw milk. It is also where I

first heard of Weston Price.

It is a very readable history of milk and the scientific differences between raw

and pasteurized dairy products.

 

It is affordable and available from Amazon. I guarentee if you buy it and read

it you will not be disappointed!

 

Blessings, Jill~

[Guest guest]

Well, good for you!

Most children here , end up consuming the garbage real early in life.

It's quite a shame

What's with this worldwide conspiracy against good health anyway?

YUmmmmmmmmmm , it's the best from the utter! mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

I agree with your statement about bacteria.

Our MD's "blame" bacteria for the numerous "diseases" they "treat."

There certainly ISN'T any prevention to speak of!

Bacteria are supposed to clean up the dead stuff.

Why do they mess with their jobs?

 

It's funny, I knew a couple who went out of their minds, keeping their small boy "clean."

The wife followed him around with alcohol wipes ( of all things), constantly wiping him off.

Kids are supposed to get dirty and eat bugs once in a while.

Even some dirt and rocks........they will come out.

Makes them strong.

 

Thank you for your continuous good sense.............

 

Rich

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/21/2009 1:16:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, howdurdago writes:

 

 

 

 

Raw for me! Can't vouch for the pasteurised, homogenised or "lite" or "calcium fortified" milk here in NZ even if it IS grass fed. The cows are vaccinated so I wouldn't touch it unless produced on an unvaccinated "organic" farm.2% of our dairy herd is given hormones.. Well, that's how much they admit to. Our big milk producer Fonterra, got out of China post haste, unseemly even, when the melamine hit the fan.. CEO on the news looked VERY pale as though he just escaped the firing squad himself. Couldn't get much in the way of info out of him either. Won't drink HIS products that's for sure.Personal preference - I don't like raw milk to drink unless it is very cold, but like the cheese and butter. When we were weaned we STAYED weaned and weren't switched over to animal milk. I first tasted animal milk when I was 12 years old and didn't like it, still warm from the cow. I got used to it refrigerated. I would like to see human milk pass that bacteria test, especially mothers whose diets are SAD. I might be wrong but isn't this how animals/humans develop immunity? I don't see calves dropping like flies from all the bugs. Also we absolutely need the bacteria. They are the clean up crews. If we eat dreck, they multiply and their endotoxin (waste) makes us feel sick. Our bodies are programmed to clean house and survive. Just because there are firemen at the blaze doesn't mean the firemen caused the blaze - they are the clean up crew. Mara--- On Wed, 5/20/09, richmaj <richmaj wrote:

richmaj <richmajRe: To Dr Mercola : why animal proteins are killing cancer pa...oleander soup Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 8:38 PM

 

 

 

I thank you again for sharing.

Perhaps the group would like to chime in on successes with raw milk?

I sure cannot vouch for manufactured milk in the US.

In my view, it's dead food.

 

Rich

 

 

In a message dated 5/20/2009 11:13:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shaman_urban@ writes:

OPINION: How Milk that you promote is killing cancer patients ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----Once upon a time in India, two unknown Doctors: Madhavan T. and Gopalan C. published research in 1968 in an obscure Medical Journal that suggested a direct relation between animal protein and cancer.Madhavan T. and Gopalan C .The Effect of dietary protein on carcinogenesis of aflatoxin.Meanwhile in the Philippines:Doctor Campbell, an American Researcher, is trying to find a solution for malnourishment in poor populations by feeding them food with high protein content: peanuts in this case. Unfortunately he encounters a problem with a fungus called Aflatoxin.What is Aflatoxin?Aflatoxin is a fungus, a mold, a potent toxic, highly carcinogenic, mutagenic, and immunosuppressive agent.The crop of peanuts that Dr. Campbell was promoting and giving to the poor and malnourished children of the Philippines, were contaminated by this carcinogenic mold.Peanuts are very rich in Protein but Aflatoxin was promoting Liver Cancer in the poor, but not only to the poor…The trouble with Aflatoxin:During a conversation with President Marcos's personal doctor, Dr. Campbell discovers that even the wealthiest kids from Manila, Philippines had cancer of the liver and at a greater rate than the poor. The wealthy kids had access to numerous protein sources including meats and dairies. Could it be that there was a link between animal protein and cancer, like in the Indian study?This was the start of one of the greatest adventures in the modern history of medicine.Destiny (and irony) took T Colin Campbell, a man who dedicated all his energy in the study and promotion of protein, especially animal protein, and led him to become the greatest advocate against it.The Mission:Colin Campbell, with two separate research teams, spent the next 35 years conducting research on the relation between animal protein and cancer.First logical step: to corroborate the Indian ResearchMethod:Take two groups of laboratory rats:Feed the first group with 20% protein and feed the second group with 5% protein.Give both groups enough Aflatoxin TO GET CANCER and then wait…Results:Every single rat fed with 20% protein had liver cancer or precursor lesionsNot a single rat in the second group had cancer or lesions.See China Study : page 57 & 58With 5% casein, cancer was stopped, and with 20% casein, it grew!!Implications:It is a 100% versus 0% success rate; we've discovered a very dangerous chemical like Dioxin which can promote cancer, and the name of this product is Animal Protein. Or maybe the experiment was faulty?Second logical step, increase the level of AflatoxinMethod:Take two groups of laboratory rats:One will be fed with a high Aflatoxin dose and a low protein Diet.One with a low Aflatoxin dose and a high protein Diet.Results:The rats with the high-aflatoxin dose fed with aLow 5% protein Diet.LESS FOCI* OF CANCERThe rats with the low-aflatoxin dose feed with aHigh 20% protein Diet.MORE FOCI OF CANCER…*Foci: Pathology The regions of a localized bodily infection or disease. In this case group of cancer cells.Implications:A. The link is established between the quantity of protein consumed and cancerous cell development.B. Protein was more detrimental in increasing the number of cancer foci than a dangerous carcinogen like Aflatoxin.Third logical step: challenging the results and evidence acquired so far:Method:Take two groups of laboratory rats:The group with the high-aflatoxin dose and a low protein Diet 5%WILL NOW BE SWITCHED TO A HIGH PROTEIN DIET IN A SECOND PHASEAND THEN BACK AGAIN TO A LOW PROTEIN DIET…Results:Foci INCREASE in size and number at the level of 20 % protein intake.Foci DECREASE in size and number at the level of less than 10 % protein intake. First implication: The body could remember early carcinogen insults and they could be "restarted" or, if you prefer, "Jump started" just by increasing protein Intake. Second amazing implication: FOCI GROWTH COULD BE REVERSED, INCREASED OR DECREASED, BY SWITCHING THE AMOUNT OF PROTEIN BEING CONSUMED AT ALL STAGES OF FOCI DEVELOPMENT It is time for the public to take action and to take matters into their own hands for a better future, fully aware of the cause of this genocide. It is also time for law makers and politicians to understand that they are not above other fellow human beings and they will die from diseases that were mostly avoidable, just like the poor. Third amazing implication: This is the first time in History that we know what could be the biggest cause for the cancer epidemic, Animal Protein. Fourth amazing implication: This is also the first time that we can take personal control against this disease by preventing it or reversing it! Nobody is powerless anymore in the fight against cancer:Genetics Versus Nutrition:A report prepared for the US Congress in 1981, estimated that genetics only determines about 2-3% of total cancer risk. In China the counties with the highest rates of some cancers where more than 100 times greater than counties with the lowest rates." (1)Mapping Cancer and discovering its relation with nutrition was incredibly revealing.Last logical step: check if all protein has the same effects on cancer:This was also tested by Doctor Campbell and his teams of researchers. Protein used in these experiments wich makes up of 87 % casein from cow milk. In these experiments plant protein did not and could not promote cancer growth, even at the higher level of intakeImplication:That casein from milk could increase production of cancer cell in rats. However, plant protein did not promote growth of cancer cells. Curiously most of the practitioners of alternative medicine, very early in time, recommended their patients to switch to a vegetarian diet. See for example: the pioneers Max Gerson in 1946. Ann Wigmore 1960 just to cite a couple.Next Dr.Campbell conducted research on mice infected with liver cancer induced by hepatitis B.And he got essentially the same results (1)(1)The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 63Food for thought: The level of protein intake causing tumor growth in rats is at the same level that humans consume in this country (1) or in most of the Western Countries. (1)The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 62 and 67 ( 10 to 20 % of dietary Protein level ) Implication: The results of these, and many others studies, showed Nutrition to be far more important in controlling cancer promotion than the dose of the initiating carcinogen" The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 66 National Academy of Sciences Press Release. " Report offers new eating and physical activity targets to reduce chronic disease risks " sept 5 2002 Washington DC.Breast CancerThe relation between animal fat and breast cancer was established by Ken Caroll PHD in 1986"Thailand, Sri Lanka and El Salvador were at the bottom of the consumers of animal fat and at the bottom of breast Cancer statistics. At the top was UK and Netherlands with almost 6 times more breast cancer "Caroll KK, Braden LM and Bell JA " Fat and Cancer " Cancer 58More facts on Breast CancerA very recent statistical study concludes that eating just 50 grams of red meat – a statistic highlighted by much of the British media – also heightens the risk of Breast Cancer.The report looked at statistics from more than 35,000 women aged between 35 and 69Between 1995 and 1998.Nutritional Epidemiology Group at the University of Leeds British Journal of Cancer 2007/ 96 1139-1146Breast Cancer Discoveries"Findings from rural China showed that reducing dietary fat from 24% to 6% was associated with lower breast cancer risk "The China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 86A Coincidence ?High animal protein and refined carbohydrates:Lower the age of menarche (first menstruation)Raise the age of menopauseIncrease blood cholesterolIncrease level of female hormones (especially estrogen) in the bloodWhat are the risk factors for breast cancer?Early age of menarcheLate age of menopauseHigh blood cholesterolHigh level of female hormones (especially estrogen)Discoveries on estrogen from the China Study:Chinese Women were 200% to 300% less exposed to estrogen than American women.What we already know about Estrogen and Animal Protein:Increase of Estrogen and related hormones are a result of a diet high in fat and animal product and low in dietary fiber (1) (2) (3)(4) (5) (6)REFERENCES :1) Wu,AH, Pike MC and Stram" Meta –Analysis dietary fat intake, seru m estrogen levels, and the risk of breast cancer" Cancer Inst. 1999(2) Rosenthal MB , Barnard, Rose et al : " Effects of a hight-complex- carbohydrate, low-fat, low cholesterol diet on level of serum lipid and estradiol" 1985(3) Tymchuck CN , Tessler SB and Barnard RJ " Changes in sex Hormone binding globulin, insulin and serum lipids in postmenopausal women on a low-fat diet, high-fiber diet combine with exercise. Nutr.. Cancer 2000(4) Dongan, J Hunsberger S, A, McMahon Rp et Al. " Diet and sex Hormones in girls : finding from a randomized controlled clinical trial.' J.Nat. Cancer Inst. 95 (2003)(5) Women Health Initiative Investigators J " Risk and benefits of estrogen plus progestin in healthy postmenopausal women" JAMA 288(6) Women Hulley S, Grady D, Bush T and Al " Randomized trial of estrogen plus postaglandin for secondary prevention of coronary heart disease in postmenopausal women, JAMA 280 (1998 )Several female hormones were reduced to safe levels at the onset of puberty simply by having girls consume a low fat, low animal based diet. Reduction was 25% to 30% up to 50 % Dongan J, Hunsberger S, A, McMahon Rp et Al. " Diet and sex Hormones in girls : finding from a randomized controlled clinical trial.' J.Nat. Cancer Inst. 95 (2003)------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---Prostate CancerWhat we already know about Prostate Cancer and Animal Protein:A 2001 Harvard review of research found that 12 out of 14 case-control studies and that7 out of 9 cohort studies have observed a positive association for some measure of dairy products and Prostate Cancer in published literature.In these studies, men with the highest dairy intakes had double the risk of total prostate cancer and up to a fourfold increase in metastatic or fatal prostate cancer.This year 500,000 more people will learn that they have a cancer of the breast, prostate or lower bowel. They represent 40% of all new cancer patients.Another new discovery of The China Study:It was found after analyzing the data collected in more than 2,400 counties in China that the minimum level of Cholesterol in our "Western Country" was equivalent to the maximum level in China.Cholesterol is definitively an indicator of disease risk. Several studies have now shown that consuming animal protein increases blood cholesterol level. (1) (2) references(1)Theses data are from villages SA, LC and RA for women and SA,QC and NB for men . Monograph ( Chen and al ) 1990(2)Krichevsky D, Tepper SA, Czanecki SK et Al "Atherogenicity of animal and vegetable protein . Influence in of the Lysine and Arginine ratio". Atherosclerosis, 41 (1982)============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========Note :I will not enter in a debate on animal protein , been there, done that; unless i am officially authorized by the group owner.------------ --------- --------- ------