Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Toms River, NJ In a message dated 5/19/2009 10:26:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gypsy___rose writes: Hi Rich,Where in NJ and what is your practice? Thanks, Rose 714.349-1200 Cell Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss oleander soup From: richmajDate: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:17:47 -0400Re: Doomed Carnivoire Lyne, I use the same beliefs in my N.J. practice. Thank you for your very candid and very real answers. I too , believe that this forum is to share information we possess with all. We can only share what we know and have seen. I have never responded with anything other then what I have experienced personally. Who is to say what works or does not? Each person is different. And I encourage all reading these very important posts, to chime in with their experiences too. Please do not be afraid, we are all friends, striving to help everyone. Your information can make someone healthier and save untold lives. Thank you all for being a part of this forum! Rich In a message dated 5/19/2009 3:45:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pinkmartini62 writes: Dear Tammatha, As this is an open forum for discussing various options that people can incorporate in to their lives, I feel it is very important that we all bring tolerance and unconditional acceptance to our keyboards along with our opinions. While I myself would never undergo chemo or radiation if I was diagnosed with cancer, I would never insult or berate someone who did choose that path. Whether I feel it is wrong or right, what right do I have to judge another person for what they choose to do? I have spent a little more than the last 20 years of my professional life helping people to heal from various diseases and health issues. My role has always been about supporting them in what is right for them as they follow their path. I do not dictate to anyone or bully anyone to do what I think is right. And believe me, I have treated many vegetarians and vegans over the years that had heart disease, diabetes, cancers, infertility, obesity, wiped out adrenal systems, polycystic ovary syndrome, ADD/ADHD, erectile dysfunction, complications during pregnancy, and the list could go on and on. Believe me when I say, the hardest lesson I ever had to learn as a doctor is that every single one of my patients are going to die - and so am I. It isn't about living forever, but that we live our lives in a good way. With integrity, compassion, and love. And true to our own spirit. When someone asks an open question to the group, I feel we all have a right to share our opinion. I don't expect others to accept what I say as The Truth - meaning the one and only way; but maybe with the intention of taking anything good or positive from what I wrote and to let whatever else was said that didn't resonate with them, simple be carried away on the wind. With blessings of health & happiness,Lyne Tammatha <tammatha (AT) sonic (DOT) net>oleander soup Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:50:18 PMRe: Doomed Carnivoire Getting animal products from a farm still doesn't make it alright, the animals are still being killed for their flesh and being used, they are here for their own reasons. Some people can justify it thinking it comes from a farm. But reality is it is just a little tiny bit kinder... I guess. Conscience is tricky. If you feel you need it, then you need it. Our bodies do not need animal secretions and hatchings to be healthy, please read the book the 'China Study". Regardless of where it comes from cows naturally have an abundant amount of hormones in their bodies which transfer to the human when eaten and also pus, which can't be seen in the dairy products. A baby calf does not drink our breast milk why should we be drinking their mothers? We have been raised to believe much of what we consume so we think it is alright, it is really difficult to reprogram the old school of thinking. Much of food that is eaten is comfort, tis why much is called comfort food. There is another incredible book called "Raw Emotion". The author Angela Stokes lost 300lbs on a raw vegan diet with no deprivation. This book speaks of all the emotional connections people have with food, it is much like a cigarettes and drugs. Very enlightening book. I'm sure most would love to lose a few pounds too and it difficult to find a overweight vegan. Tammatha - Lyne Seppala oleander soup Monday, May 18, 2009 11:09 AM Re: Doomed Carnivoire Hi Cheryl, I myself am a carnivore, and I am quite alright with it. I tried Vegan a couple of times, but my body was never satisfied. My overall health took a turn for the worse. I think some of us do fine without any animal products and others of us need them. All of the meat, dairy, and eggs that we eat are straight from the family farm. I know the family who provides our milk - I drive out to the farm each week and get it straight out of the tank. I meet another family once a month to buy my beef, pork, and chicken from. Their animals are all on pasture and they are always open to tour their farm at any time. One of my patients raises yaks and chickens, so I am able to trade her for eggs and yak meat. For me, being connected with the people who produce our food is very important. I'm lucky I live in a state where that is possible. But my father, who lives in Las Vegas, NV is even a member of a raw milk buying club. So I think if you seek it out, you can find it. I express gratitude every time I see my friends, and will even offer up a Thank You to "the girls" out in the field as I drive away from the farm with my beautiful raw milk. I agree with your N.D. - to put energy into worrying about it does no good. If you choose to continue to eat your animal based proteins, then try switching your thought process to being grateful to the animals and people who gave of themselves to bring that food to you. Ask that it only do good things for your body. And if you can seek out food that has been raised in a humane way and where you are able to connect with where your food comes from - I think it changes the whole level of consciousness about nourishment and truly feeding your body and spirit. If you would like a resource to get more information, here is a great place to start. www.eatwild. comWith blessings of health & happiness,Lyne cherylcampbell55 <cheryl.s.campbell@ gmail.com>oleander soupMonday, May 18, 2009 2:01:28 AM Doomed Carnivoire I'm just wondering if any of you struggle as much as I do with avoiding animal protein? In going over my menu/diet sheet with my Naturopathic doc this week I pointed out to her that I generally have 4 oz. or less of organic/hormone- free chicken or fish at each evening meal and that I worry about it. She suggested that the ratio of 70% raw/vegan/alkaline to 30% acid/animal/ needs to be viewed over a 24 hour period and in that regard my menu looked fine. She was much more concerned about 'my worrying' about it and said feeling guilty about it had the potential to do far more harm. Any thoughts, comments, suggestions?Cheryl Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Hi Rich, Where in NJ and what is your practice? Thanks, Rose 714.349-1200 Cell Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss oleander soup From: richmajDate: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:17:47 -0400Re: Doomed Carnivoire Lyne, I use the same beliefs in my N.J. practice. Thank you for your very candid and very real answers. I too , believe that this forum is to share information we possess with all. We can only share what we know and have seen. I have never responded with anything other then what I have experienced personally. Who is to say what works or does not? Each person is different. And I encourage all reading these very important posts, to chime in with their experiences too. Please do not be afraid, we are all friends, striving to help everyone. Your information can make someone healthier and save untold lives. Thank you all for being a part of this forum! Rich In a message dated 5/19/2009 3:45:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pinkmartini62 writes: Dear Tammatha, As this is an open forum for discussing various options that people can incorporate in to their lives, I feel it is very important that we all bring tolerance and unconditional acceptance to our keyboards along with our opinions. While I myself would never undergo chemo or radiation if I was diagnosed with cancer, I would never insult or berate someone who did choose that path. Whether I feel it is wrong or right, what right do I have to judge another person for what they choose to do? I have spent a little more than the last 20 years of my professional life helping people to heal from various diseases and health issues. My role has always been about supporting them in what is right for them as they follow their path. I do not dictate to anyone or bully anyone to do what I think is right. And believe me, I have treated many vegetarians and vegans over the years that had heart disease, diabetes, cancers, infertility, obesity, wiped out adrenal systems, polycystic ovary syndrome, ADD/ADHD, erectile dysfunction, complications during pregnancy, and the list could go on and on. Believe me when I say, the hardest lesson I ever had to learn as a doctor is that every single one of my patients are going to die - and so am I. It isn't about living forever, but that we live our lives in a good way. With integrity, compassion, and love. And true to our own spirit. When someone asks an open question to the group, I feel we all have a right to share our opinion. I don't expect others to accept what I say as The Truth - meaning the one and only way; but maybe with the intention of taking anything good or positive from what I wrote and to let whatever else was said that didn't resonate with them, simple be carried away on the wind. With blessings of health & happiness,Lyne Tammatha <tammatha (AT) sonic (DOT) net>oleander soup Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:50:18 PMRe: Doomed Carnivoire Getting animal products from a farm still doesn't make it alright, the animals are still being killed for their flesh and being used, they are here for their own reasons. Some people can justify it thinking it comes from a farm. But reality is it is just a little tiny bit kinder... I guess. Conscience is tricky. If you feel you need it, then you need it. Our bodies do not need animal secretions and hatchings to be healthy, please read the book the 'China Study". Regardless of where it comes from cows naturally have an abundant amount of hormones in their bodies which transfer to the human when eaten and also pus, which can't be seen in the dairy products. A baby calf does not drink our breast milk why should we be drinking their mothers? We have been raised to believe much of what we consume so we think it is alright, it is really difficult to reprogram the old school of thinking. Much of food that is eaten is comfort, tis why much is called comfort food. There is another incredible book called "Raw Emotion". The author Angela Stokes lost 300lbs on a raw vegan diet with no deprivation. This book speaks of all the emotional connections people have with food, it is much like a cigarettes and drugs. Very enlightening book. I'm sure most would love to lose a few pounds too and it difficult to find a overweight vegan. Tammatha - Lyne Seppala oleander soup Monday, May 18, 2009 11:09 AM Re: Doomed Carnivoire Hi Cheryl, I myself am a carnivore, and I am quite alright with it. I tried Vegan a couple of times, but my body was never satisfied. My overall health took a turn for the worse. I think some of us do fine without any animal products and others of us need them. All of the meat, dairy, and eggs that we eat are straight from the family farm. I know the family who provides our milk - I drive out to the farm each week and get it straight out of the tank. I meet another family once a month to buy my beef, pork, and chicken from. Their animals are all on pasture and they are always open to tour their farm at any time. One of my patients raises yaks and chickens, so I am able to trade her for eggs and yak meat. For me, being connected with the people who produce our food is very important. I'm lucky I live in a state where that is possible. But my father, who lives in Las Vegas, NV is even a member of a raw milk buying club. So I think if you seek it out, you can find it. I express gratitude every time I see my friends, and will even offer up a Thank You to "the girls" out in the field as I drive away from the farm with my beautiful raw milk. I agree with your N.D. - to put energy into worrying about it does no good. If you choose to continue to eat your animal based proteins, then try switching your thought process to being grateful to the animals and people who gave of themselves to bring that food to you. Ask that it only do good things for your body. And if you can seek out food that has been raised in a humane way and where you are able to connect with where your food comes from - I think it changes the whole level of consciousness about nourishment and truly feeding your body and spirit. If you would like a resource to get more information, here is a great place to start. www.eatwild. comWith blessings of health & happiness,Lyne cherylcampbell55 <cheryl.s.campbell@ gmail.com>oleander soupMonday, May 18, 2009 2:01:28 AM Doomed Carnivoire I'm just wondering if any of you struggle as much as I do with avoiding animal protein? In going over my menu/diet sheet with my Naturopathic doc this week I pointed out to her that I generally have 4 oz. or less of organic/hormone- free chicken or fish at each evening meal and that I worry about it. She suggested that the ratio of 70% raw/vegan/alkaline to 30% acid/animal/ needs to be viewed over a 24 hour period and in that regard my menu looked fine. She was much more concerned about 'my worrying' about it and said feeling guilty about it had the potential to do far more harm. Any thoughts, comments, suggestions?Cheryl Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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