Could Antidepressants Explain the Virginia Tech Massacre?

[Guest guest]

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Could-Antidepressants-Explain-the-Virgini\

a-Tech-Massacre--10928.aspx

 

Here is a list of other cases of violence where antidepressants are said

to be involved:

 

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

 

 

 

 

A variety of news sources have reported that Cho Seung Hui, the Virginia

Tech shooter who killed 32 students and faculty members in a shooting

rampage, was taking antidepressant drugs.

 

Antidepressants have also been used by the perpetrators of previous and

similar acts of violence, including the shootings at Columbine High

School eight years ago.

 

There are known links between antidepressants and violent acts. Research

on the drug Paxil found that more than twice as many people taking it

experienced a serious " hostility event " as did those taking a placebo.

In the United States, labels for all antidepressants note that anxiety,

agitation, panic attacks, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness,

impulsivity, and mania are all possible side effects.

 

Part of the cause may be the disconnect with reality these drugs

sometimes reportedly cause. In another study of the links between

antidepressants and violence, a 12-year-old boy who killed his

grandparents while he was on a course of antidepressants said that the

whole incident seemed like a dream, and he was unsure whether or not it

had really happened.

 

New York Times April 17, 2007

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/17virginia.html?th & emc=th>

 

News April 17, 2007

<http://news./s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting>

 

Chicago Tribune April 17, 2007

<http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,1,1762\

36.story?coll=chi-homepagenews-utl>

 

 

*Dr. Mercola's Comment:*

 

/While keeping up with the reports on the Virginia Tech University

killings in Blacksburg, VA, I was not surprised when I learned, from the

Chicago Tribune and other sources, that the shooter had taken

antidepressant drugs. /

 

/In fact, even before this was reported, I couldn't help thinking about

other incidents, among them the Columbine High School rampage that took

place //almost eight years ago to the day/

<http://www.mercola.com/2002/sep/18/luvox.htm>/, and wondering if

//antidepressants/

<http://www.mercola.com/2005/aug/2/antidepressants.htm>/ were somehow

involved./

 

/You may not recall a lesser-known case in Washington state six years

ago in which a high school student took a rifle to school and held

classmates and a teacher hostage, probably because this incident wasn't

associated with any deaths. What prompted the teen's aggression? An

abrupt switchover from //Paxil/

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/may/30/paxil_warning_letter_sent_to_your_doctor.htm\

>/

to a high dose of //Effexor/

<http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/FDA-Issues-Antidepressant-Warning-About-\

Overdosing-1308.aspx>/./

 

/Or, perhaps, consider the sad case of //Andrea Yates/

<http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/4/drowning.htm>/ who drowned her five

small children in a Houston suburb, shortly after a revised

antidepressant regimen that included Effexor and Remeron./

 

/When will they learn that drugs are rarely the answer and that there

are so many better options?/

 

/Given the facts, it would be a stretch to believe all these tragic

incidents weren't linked to //antidepressants/

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/aug/26/kids_dont_need_suicidal_antidepressants.htm>\

/.

Time will tell if these //often toxic drugs/

<http://vv.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Paxil-s-Link-to-Teenage-Suicides-Covere\

d-Up-4900.aspx>/

will be connected once again to another tragedy of unbelievable

proportions, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were./

 

/Antidepressant drugs //also increase the risk of suicide/

<http://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/12/antidepressants_suicide.htm>/ and

other dangerous behaviors. If you are depressed, there are //far safer

and healthier options/

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/feb/18/how_antidepressants_affect_your_immune_syste\

m.htm>/

available to you than taking any drug:/

 

* /Take a high-quality omega-3 fatty oil. Krill oil is particularly

helpful here as the phosphate bonding helps absorb it better into

your brain than fish oil. /

* /Start //an exercise program/

<http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/12/treating_depression.htm>/

today. This is //one of the best-kept secrets for fighting

depression./

<http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/12/treating_depression.htm>/ /

* /Learn how to use an energy psychology tool like the //Emotional

Freedom Technique/ <http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse.htm>/.

For serious problems, it would be prudent to not treat yourself

with EFT; instead, contact a health care professional who is

trained in the technique. You can use the //list of guidelines and

practitioners/ <http://www.eftsupport.com/find_therapist.htm>/

compiled by Dr. Patricia Carrington./

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Recently there's been a move on this list away from discussing TCM

toward discussing some other aspects of healthcare. I haven't said

anything because these are some very pressing concerns and have some

relevence to TCM as well as to health in general.

 

For example, I hope no one is using a microwave to prepare any herbal

teas they are taking. Even if one questions the methodlogy or the

conclusions of the research on microwaving, not enough time has passed

to know for sure. The TCM recommendations on how to prepare herbal

teas and the containers to use are based on centuries of very careful

observation. Not that it's going to take that centuries to determine

this, but a few years isn't enough time and observation. Plus, I'm not

seeing any research from China on the effects of microwaving. I'm also

not seeing any research in the West on how microwaving changes TCM

properties. For the list members who are new to TCM, how a food (or

herbal formula) is prepared very much affects its properties. For

example, frying and baking renders a food more Yang than it otherwise

would be. Steaming and boiling renders food more Yin than it would be.

Raw ginger targets the Exterior of the body; dried ginger targets the

Interior. Etc.

 

Regarding the VA Tech massacre: Is it known for sure that the shooter

was on one of these drugs? Folks, it's been known for well over a

decade that Prozac and drugs in that class are related to increases in

homocidal and suicidal acts in some people taking these drugs, and

there's no way to predict who will or will not have this reaction.

Please check out the info on the Mercola website. If you have the

resources, do a search for the number of court cases in which concerns

about the effects of these drugs have been raised. Talk with some of

the people who have been on these drugs who had a bad reaction.

 

I'm hoping that some of the list members who have a great deal of info

about TCM and psychological disorders will share some of that info on

here.

 

I also gave permission for something to be posted on the testing of

drugs on animals because it raises some ethical concerns that need to

be looked at. For one thing, why are drugs that humans take being

tested on animals that don't react to them the same way humans do? I

know that in the case of cats, there is a lot of testing on cats

because cats react adversely to so many things it's believed that if a

drug doesn't kill a cat then it's safe for a human. This is not

necessarily true, but that's a reason that is given to justify this.

[Guest guest]

Hello Twyla, and all,

 

The use of antidepressnats seems to BE criminal, and not just

border it, for the pharmaceutical companies AND the doctors know

of the side-effects!

 

Now, it would be difficult(though not impossible) to make the

P.Companies abandon the production of these dangerous but

lucrative drugs. But there is a another way to stop this.

Get the Federal Health lawyers to prosecute the DOCTORS who

prescribed remedies for the biggest(or even all) massacres where

the criminal was using these drugs.

They could begin by putting in jail the doctor who prescribed for

the Virginia Tech assassin(a period behind bars would be good for

him to think about the social resonsibility of doctors!), after

some three or four of these condemnations, doctors accross the

country would practically stop prescribing them, and the Big

Pharmaceutical Companies would have to find safe substitutes.

 

marcos

 

--- Twyla <twylahoodah escreveu:

 

> Hi Domingo

>

> The use of these pharmaceuticals borders on criminal and very

> little is being done to protect the innocent and unknowing.

> Just the week before the Virginia incident, a distraught worker

> recently fired from his job took five hostages at a gun range

> here where I live. It ended tragically with him being killed

> (uncertain whether it was suicide or the police) - a major

> artery into my neighborhood was closed for nearly an entire

> day. What was the hostage takers first demand? He wanted his

> medication - 6 pills were sent into the building via robot. The

> week prior to that I read of three other incidents nationally

> involving hostage taking, homicides, suicides and all involving

> the perpetrator's use of legal drugs. I don't know who's

> keeping watch, but these occurrences are not usually nationally

> newsworthy unless they can be sensationalized for profit.

>

> There are an estimated forty million people on prescription

> medication in the United States. Increasing anxiety,

> unemployment, eroding communities, fragmented social relations

> are all being promulgated by rapid changes in the mode and

> means of production and humans simply cannot cope with the

> endemic stresses of simply trying to survive. I work with the

> homeless and attended a meeting last night of more than five

> hundred people airing their concerns regarding this crisis. The

> spiritual, physical, mental, psychological imbalances created

> by these social problems (not the least of it is war) affects

> all our psyches whether we are consciously aware or not. As

> practitioners we know ninety percent of what we treat has its

> root in emotional causes directly or indirectly. A scant

> percentage comes from external trauma, etc.

>

> Is more medication the answer?

>

> th

>

> Domingo Pichardo <dpichardo3 wrote:

>

>

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Could-Antidepressants-Explain-the-Virgini\

a-Tech-Massacre--10928.aspx

>

> Here is a list of other cases of violence where antidepressants

> are said

> to be involved:

>

> http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

>

> A variety of news sources have reported that Cho Seung Hui, the

> Virginia

> Tech shooter who killed 32 students and faculty members in a

> shooting

> rampage, was taking antidepressant drugs.

>

> Antidepressants have also been used by the perpetrators of

> previous and

> similar acts of violence, including the shootings at Columbine

> High

> School eight years ago.

>

> There are known links between antidepressants and violent acts.

> Research

> on the drug Paxil found that more than twice as many people

> taking it

> experienced a serious " hostility event " as did those taking a

> placebo.

> In the United States, labels for all antidepressants note that

> anxiety,

> agitation, panic attacks, irritability, hostility,

> aggressiveness,

> impulsivity, and mania are all possible side effects.

>

> Part of the cause may be the disconnect with reality these

> drugs

> sometimes reportedly cause. In another study of the links

> between

> antidepressants and violence, a 12-year-old boy who killed his

> grandparents while he was on a course of antidepressants said

> that the

> whole incident seemed like a dream, and he was unsure whether

> or not it

> had really happened.

>

> New York Times April 17, 2007

>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/17virginia.html?th & emc=th>

>

> News April 17, 2007

>

<http://news./s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting>

>

> Chicago Tribune April 17, 2007

>

<http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,1,1762\

36.story?coll=chi-homepagenews-utl>

>

> *Dr. Mercola's Comment:*

>

> /While keeping up with the reports on the Virginia Tech

> University

> killings in Blacksburg, VA, I was not surprised when I learned,

> from the

> Chicago Tribune and other sources, that the shooter had taken

> antidepressant drugs. /

>

> /In fact, even before this was reported, I couldn't help

> thinking about

> other incidents, among them the Columbine High School rampage

> that took

> place //almost eight years ago to the day/

> <http://www.mercola.com/2002/sep/18/luvox.htm>/, and wondering

> if

> //antidepressants/

> <http://www.mercola.com/2005/aug/2/antidepressants.htm>/ were

> somehow

> involved./

>

> /You may not recall a lesser-known case in Washington state six

> years

> ago in which a high school student took a rifle to school and

> held

> classmates and a teacher hostage, probably because this

> incident wasn't

> associated with any deaths. What prompted the teen's

> aggression? An

> abrupt switchover from //Paxil/

>

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/may/30/paxil_warning_letter_sent_to_your_doctor.htm\

>/

>

> to a high dose of //Effexor/

>

<http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/FDA-Issues-Antidepressant-Warning-About-\

Overdosing-1308.aspx>/./

>

> /Or, perhaps, consider the sad case of //Andrea Yates/

> <http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/4/drowning.htm>/ who drowned

> her five

> small children in a Houston suburb, shortly after a revised

> antidepressant regimen that included Effexor and Remeron./

>

> /When will they learn that drugs are rarely the answer and that

> there

> are so many better options?/

>

> /Given the facts, it would be a stretch to believe all these

> tragic

> incidents weren't linked to //antidepressants/

>

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/aug/26/kids_dont_need_suicidal_antidepressants.htm>\

/.

>

> Time will tell if these //often toxic drugs/

>

<http://vv.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Paxil-s-Link-to-Teenage-Suicides-Covere\

d-Up-4900.aspx>/

>

> will be connected once again to another tragedy of unbelievable

>

> proportions, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were./

>

> /Antidepressant drugs //also increase the risk of suicide/

>

<http://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/12/antidepressants_suicide.htm>/

> and

> other dangerous behaviors. If you are depressed, there are

> //far safer

> and healthier options/

>

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/feb/18/how_antidepressants_affect_your_immune_syste\

m.htm>/

>

> available to you than taking any drug:/

>

> * /Take a high-quality omega-3 fatty oil. Krill oil is

> particularly

> helpful here as the phosphate bonding helps absorb it better

> into

> your brain than fish oil. /

> * /Start //an exercise program/

> <http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/12/treating_depression.htm>/

> today. This is //one of the best-kept secrets for fighting

> depression./

> <http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/12/treating_depression.htm>/ /

> * /Learn how to use an energy psychology tool like the

> //Emotional

> Freedom Technique/

> <http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse.htm>/.

> For serious problems, it would be prudent to not treat yourself

> with EFT; instead, contact a health care professional who is

> trained in the technique. You can use the //list of guidelines

> and

> practitioners/ <http://www.eftsupport.com/find_therapist.htm>/

> compiled by Dr. Patricia Carrington./

>

>

[Guest guest]

did antidepressants order the police to stand down for two hours?

 

 

 

 

-

" marcos " <ishk18

<Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:02 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Could Antidepressants Explain the Virginia

Tech Massacre?

 

 

>

> Hello Twyla, and all,

>

> The use of antidepressnats seems to BE criminal, and not just

> border it, for the pharmaceutical companies AND the doctors know

> of the side-effects!

>

> Now, it would be difficult(though not impossible) to make the

> P.Companies abandon the production of these dangerous but

> lucrative drugs. But there is a another way to stop this.

> Get the Federal Health lawyers to prosecute the DOCTORS who

> prescribed remedies for the biggest(or even all) massacres where

> the criminal was using these drugs.

> They could begin by putting in jail the doctor who prescribed for

> the Virginia Tech assassin(a period behind bars would be good for

> him to think about the social resonsibility of doctors!), after

> some three or four of these condemnations, doctors accross the

> country would practically stop prescribing them, and the Big

> Pharmaceutical Companies would have to find safe substitutes.

>

> marcos

>

> --- Twyla <twylahoodah escreveu:

>

>> Hi Domingo

>>

>> The use of these pharmaceuticals borders on criminal and very

>> little is being done to protect the innocent and unknowing.

>> Just the week before the Virginia incident, a distraught worker

>> recently fired from his job took five hostages at a gun range

>> here where I live. It ended tragically with him being killed

>> (uncertain whether it was suicide or the police) - a major

>> artery into my neighborhood was closed for nearly an entire

>> day. What was the hostage takers first demand? He wanted his

>> medication - 6 pills were sent into the building via robot. The

>> week prior to that I read of three other incidents nationally

>> involving hostage taking, homicides, suicides and all involving

>> the perpetrator's use of legal drugs. I don't know who's

>> keeping watch, but these occurrences are not usually nationally

>> newsworthy unless they can be sensationalized for profit.

>>

>> There are an estimated forty million people on prescription

>> medication in the United States. Increasing anxiety,

>> unemployment, eroding communities, fragmented social relations

>> are all being promulgated by rapid changes in the mode and

>> means of production and humans simply cannot cope with the

>> endemic stresses of simply trying to survive. I work with the

>> homeless and attended a meeting last night of more than five

>> hundred people airing their concerns regarding this crisis. The

>> spiritual, physical, mental, psychological imbalances created

>> by these social problems (not the least of it is war) affects

>> all our psyches whether we are consciously aware or not. As

>> practitioners we know ninety percent of what we treat has its

>> root in emotional causes directly or indirectly. A scant

>> percentage comes from external trauma, etc.

>>

>> Is more medication the answer?

>>

>> th

>>

>> Domingo Pichardo <dpichardo3 wrote:

>>

>>

>

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Could-Antidepressants-Explain-the-Virgini\

a-Tech-Massacre--10928.aspx

>>

>> Here is a list of other cases of violence where antidepressants

>> are said

>> to be involved:

>>

>> http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

>>

>> A variety of news sources have reported that Cho Seung Hui, the

>> Virginia

>> Tech shooter who killed 32 students and faculty members in a

>> shooting

>> rampage, was taking antidepressant drugs.

>>

>> Antidepressants have also been used by the perpetrators of

>> previous and

>> similar acts of violence, including the shootings at Columbine

>> High

>> School eight years ago.

>>

>> There are known links between antidepressants and violent acts.

>> Research

>> on the drug Paxil found that more than twice as many people

>> taking it

>> experienced a serious " hostility event " as did those taking a

>> placebo.

>> In the United States, labels for all antidepressants note that

>> anxiety,

>> agitation, panic attacks, irritability, hostility,

>> aggressiveness,

>> impulsivity, and mania are all possible side effects.

>>

>> Part of the cause may be the disconnect with reality these

>> drugs

>> sometimes reportedly cause. In another study of the links

>> between

>> antidepressants and violence, a 12-year-old boy who killed his

>> grandparents while he was on a course of antidepressants said

>> that the

>> whole incident seemed like a dream, and he was unsure whether

>> or not it

>> had really happened.

>>

>> New York Times April 17, 2007

>>

> <http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/17virginia.html?th & emc=th>

>>

>> News April 17, 2007

>>

> <http://news./s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting>

>>

>> Chicago Tribune April 17, 2007

>>

>

<http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,1,1762\

36.story?coll=chi-homepagenews-utl>

>>

>> *Dr. Mercola's Comment:*

>>

>> /While keeping up with the reports on the Virginia Tech

>> University

>> killings in Blacksburg, VA, I was not surprised when I learned,

>> from the

>> Chicago Tribune and other sources, that the shooter had taken

>> antidepressant drugs. /

>>

>> /In fact, even before this was reported, I couldn't help

>> thinking about

>> other incidents, among them the Columbine High School rampage

>> that took

>> place //almost eight years ago to the day/

>> <http://www.mercola.com/2002/sep/18/luvox.htm>/, and wondering

>> if

>> //antidepressants/

>> <http://www.mercola.com/2005/aug/2/antidepressants.htm>/ were

>> somehow

>> involved./

>>

>> /You may not recall a lesser-known case in Washington state six

>> years

>> ago in which a high school student took a rifle to school and

>> held

>> classmates and a teacher hostage, probably because this

>> incident wasn't

>> associated with any deaths. What prompted the teen's

>> aggression? An

>> abrupt switchover from //Paxil/

>>

>

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/may/30/paxil_warning_letter_sent_to_your_doctor.htm\

>/

>>

>> to a high dose of //Effexor/

>>

>

<http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/FDA-Issues-Antidepressant-Warning-About-\

Overdosing-1308.aspx>/./

>>

>> /Or, perhaps, consider the sad case of //Andrea Yates/

>> <http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/4/drowning.htm>/ who drowned

>> her five

>> small children in a Houston suburb, shortly after a revised

>> antidepressant regimen that included Effexor and Remeron./

>>

>> /When will they learn that drugs are rarely the answer and that

>> there

>> are so many better options?/

>>

>> /Given the facts, it would be a stretch to believe all these

>> tragic

>> incidents weren't linked to //antidepressants/

>>

>

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/aug/26/kids_dont_need_suicidal_antidepressants.htm>\

/.

>>

>> Time will tell if these //often toxic drugs/

>>

>

<http://vv.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Paxil-s-Link-to-Teenage-Suicides-Covere\

d-Up-4900.aspx>/

>>

>> will be connected once again to another tragedy of unbelievable

>>

>> proportions, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were./

>>

>> /Antidepressant drugs //also increase the risk of suicide/

>>

> <http://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/12/antidepressants_suicide.htm>/

>> and

>> other dangerous behaviors. If you are depressed, there are

>> //far safer

>> and healthier options/

>>

>

<http://www.mercola.com/2006/feb/18/how_antidepressants_affect_your_immune_syste\

m.htm>/

>>

>> available to you than taking any drug:/

>>

>> * /Take a high-quality omega-3 fatty oil. Krill oil is

>> particularly

>> helpful here as the phosphate bonding helps absorb it better

>> into

>> your brain than fish oil. /

>> * /Start //an exercise program/

>> <http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/12/treating_depression.htm>/

>> today. This is //one of the best-kept secrets for fighting

>> depression./

>> <http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/12/treating_depression.htm>/ /

>> * /Learn how to use an energy psychology tool like the

>> //Emotional

>> Freedom Technique/

>> <http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse.htm>/.

>> For serious problems, it would be prudent to not treat yourself

>> with EFT; instead, contact a health care professional who is

>> trained in the technique. You can use the //list of guidelines

>> and

>> practitioners/ <http://www.eftsupport.com/find_therapist.htm>/

>> compiled by Dr. Patricia Carrington./

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I dont know, ask the parents of the kids that where killed!

 

 

--- Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum

escreveu:

 

> did antidepressants order the police to stand down for two

> hours?

>>

> -

> " marcos " <ishk18

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:02 AM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Could Antidepressants Explain the

> Virginia

> Tech Massacre?

>

>

> >

> > Hello Twyla, and all,

> >

> > The use of antidepressnats seems to BE criminal, and not just

> > border it, for the pharmaceutical companies AND the doctors

> know

> > of the side-effects!

> >

> > Now, it would be difficult(though not impossible) to make the

> > P.Companies abandon the production of these dangerous but

> > lucrative drugs. But there is a another way to stop this.

> > Get the Federal Health lawyers to prosecute the DOCTORS who

> > prescribed remedies for the biggest(or even all) massacres

> where

> > the criminal was using these drugs.

> > They could begin by putting in jail the doctor who prescribed

> for

> > the Virginia Tech assassin(a period behind bars would be good

> for

> > him to think about the social resonsibility of doctors!),

> after

> > some three or four of these condemnations, doctors accross

> the

> > country would practically stop prescribing them, and the Big

> > Pharmaceutical Companies would have to find safe substitutes.

> >

> > marcos

> >

> > --- Twyla <twylahoodah escreveu:

> >

> >> Hi Domingo

> >>

> >> The use of these pharmaceuticals borders on criminal and

> very

> >> little is being done to protect the innocent and unknowing.

> >> Just the week before the Virginia incident, a distraught

> worker

> >> recently fired from his job took five hostages at a gun

> range

> >> here where I live. It ended tragically with him being killed

> >> (uncertain whether it was suicide or the police) - a major

> >> artery into my neighborhood was closed for nearly an entire

> >> day. What was the hostage takers first demand? He wanted his

> >> medication - 6 pills were sent into the building via robot.

> The

> >> week prior to that I read of three other incidents

> nationally

> >> involving hostage taking, homicides, suicides and all

> involving

> >> the perpetrator's use of legal drugs. I don't know who's

> >> keeping watch, but these occurrences are not usually

> nationally

> >> newsworthy unless they can be sensationalized for profit.

> >>

> >> There are an estimated forty million people on

> prescription

> >> medication in the United States. Increasing anxiety,

> >> unemployment, eroding communities, fragmented social

> relations

> >> are all being promulgated by rapid changes in the mode and

> >> means of production and humans simply cannot cope with the

> >> endemic stresses of simply trying to survive. I work with

> the

> >> homeless and attended a meeting last night of more than five

> >> hundred people airing their concerns regarding this crisis.

> The

> >> spiritual, physical, mental, psychological imbalances

> created

> >> by these social problems (not the least of it is war)

> affects

> >> all our psyches whether we are consciously aware or not. As

> >> practitioners we know ninety percent of what we treat has

> its

> >> root in emotional causes directly or indirectly. A scant

> >> percentage comes from external trauma, etc.

> >>

> >> Is more medication the answer?

> >>

> >> th

> >>

> >> Domingo Pichardo <dpichardo3 wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >

>

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Could-Antidepressants-Explain-the-Virgini\

a-Tech-Massacre--10928.aspx

> >>

> >> Here is a list of other cases of violence where

> antidepressants

> >> are said

> >> to be involved:

> >>

> >> http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

> >>

> >> A variety of news sources have reported that Cho Seung Hui,

> the

> >> Virginia

> >> Tech shooter who killed 32 students and faculty members in a

> >> shooting

> >> rampage, was taking antidepressant drugs.

> >>

> >> Antidepressants have also been used by the perpetrators of

> >> previous and

> >> similar acts of violence, including the shootings at

> Columbine

> >> High

> >> School eight years ago.

> >>

> >> There are known links between antidepressants and violent

> acts.

> >> Research

> >> on the drug Paxil found that more than twice as many people

> >> taking it

> >> experienced a serious " hostility event " as did those taking

> a

> >> placebo.

> >> In the United States, labels for all antidepressants note

> that

> >> anxiety,

> >> agitation, panic attacks, irritability, hostility,

> >> aggressiveness,

> >> impulsivity, and mania are all possible side effects.

> >>

> >> Part of the cause may be the disconnect with reality these

> >> drugs

> >> sometimes reportedly cause. In another study of the links

> >> between

> >> antidepressants and violence, a 12-year-old boy who killed

> his

> >> grandparents while he was on a course of antidepressants

> said

> >> that the

> >> whole incident seemed like a dream, and he was unsure

> whether

> >> or not it

> >> had really happened.

> >>

> >> New York Times April 17, 2007

> >>

> >

>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/17virginia.html?th & emc=th>

> >>

> >> News April 17, 2007

> >>

> >

>

<http://news./s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting>

> >>

> >> Chicago Tribune April 17, 2007

> >>

> >

>

<http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,1,1762\

36.story?coll=chi-homepagenews-utl>

> >>

> >> *Dr. Mercola's Comment:*

> >>

> >> /While keeping up with the reports on the Virginia Tech

> >> University

> >> killings in Blacksburg, VA, I was not surprised when I

> learned,

> >> from the

> >> Chicago Tribune and other sources, that the shooter had

> taken

> >> antidepressant drugs. /

> >>

> >> /In fact, even before this was reported, I couldn't help

> >> thinking about

> >> other incidents, among them the Columbine High School

> rampage

> >> that took

> >> place //almost eight years ago to the day/

> >> <http://www.mercola.com/2002/sep/18/luvox.htm>/, and

> wondering

> >> if

> >> //antidepressants/

> >> <http://www.mercola.com/2005/aug/2/antidepressants.htm>/

> were

> >> somehow

> >> involved./

> >>

> >> /You may not recall a lesser-known case in Washington state

> six

> >> years

> >> ago in which a high school student took a rifle to school

> and

> >> held

> >> classmates and a teacher hostage, probably because this

> >> incident wasn't

> >> associated with any deaths. What prompted the teen's

>

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on two previous occasions, the campus was " shut down " when someone was

killed NEAR campus. in response, they set up an elaborate set of emergency

speakers, which were promptly used THREE HOURS after the killings started.

the local police were ordered to " stand down. " lots of weirdness around

this case.

 

 

 

 

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" marcos " <ishk18

<Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:04 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Could Antidepressants Explain the Virginia

Tech Massacre?

 

 

>I dont know, ask the parents of the kids that where killed!

>

>

> --- Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum

> escreveu:

>

>> did antidepressants order the police to stand down for two

>> hours?

[Guest guest]

Now(thatyou explained what you meant) i can answer your question;

 

No, the antidepressants did not order the police to 'stand down'!

 

Anyway, even if the police had caught him after the two

shootings, he had already killed two!

All the weirdness have a variety of explanations, that no

doubt(most) will be explained in time.

 

The articles link many episodes of violence with the use of

antidepressants, which are known(by industry, doctors and even

justice) to cause episodes of fury, etc.

 

What I was pointing out is that a medicine with such a dangerous

potential must be better controlled and administered with much

greater care. Otherwise they(the doctors) are accomplices of such

happenings(when they are caused by the drug, of course).

 

 

marcos

 

--- Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum

escreveu:

 

> on two previous occasions, the campus was " shut down " when

> someone was

> killed NEAR campus. in response, they set up an elaborate set

> of emergency

> speakers, which were promptly used THREE HOURS after the

> killings started.

> the local police were ordered to " stand down. " lots of

> weirdness around

> this case.

>

>

>

>

> -

> " marcos " <ishk18

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:04 PM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Could Antidepressants Explain the

> Virginia

> Tech Massacre?

>

>

> >I dont know, ask the parents of the kids that where killed!

> >

> >

> > --- Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum

> > escreveu:

> >

> >> did antidepressants order the police to stand down for two

> >> hours?

>

>

 

 

 

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Hi!

 

Go to www.drugawareness.org. There is a lot of

information on antidepressants and violence.

 

Terry Todd

 

--- marcos <ishk18 wrote:

 

> Now(thatyou explained what you meant) i can answer

> your question;

>

> No, the antidepressants did not order the police to

> 'stand down'!

>

> Anyway, even if the police had caught him after the

> two

> shootings, he had already killed two!

> All the weirdness have a variety of explanations,

> that no

> doubt(most) will be explained in time.

>

> The articles link many episodes of violence with the

> use of

> antidepressants, which are known(by industry,

> doctors and even

> justice) to cause episodes of fury, etc.

>

> What I was pointing out is that a medicine with such

> a dangerous

> potential must be better controlled and administered

> with much

> greater care. Otherwise they(the doctors) are

> accomplices of such

> happenings(when they are caused by the drug, of

> course).

>

>

> marcos

>

> --- Mercurius Trismegistus

> <magisterium_magnum

> escreveu:

>

> > on two previous occasions, the campus was " shut

> down " when

> > someone was

> > killed NEAR campus. in response, they set up an

> elaborate set

> > of emergency

> > speakers, which were promptly used THREE HOURS

> after the

> > killings started.

> > the local police were ordered to " stand down. "

> lots of

> > weirdness around

> > this case.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > " marcos " <ishk18

> > <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:04 PM

> > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Could

> Antidepressants Explain the

> > Virginia

> > Tech Massacre?

> >

> >

> > >I dont know, ask the parents of the kids that

> where killed!

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Mercurius Trismegistus

> <magisterium_magnum

> > > escreveu:

> > >

> > >> did antidepressants order the police to stand

> down for two

> > >> hours?

> >

> >

>

>

>

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> Now(thatyou explained what you meant) i can answer your question;

> > No, the antidepressants did not order the police to 'stand down'!

> > Anyway, even if the police had caught him after the two

> shootings, he had already killed two!

> All the weirdness have a variety of explanations, that no

> doubt(most) will be explained in time.

 

 

MT: not so sure about that. for instance, there are over 200 spent

cartridges that cannot be accounted for by the police or the ostensible " two

shooters " in the columbine event. as well as dozens of propane bombs that

magically appeared out of nowhere. or how the lead FBI investigator could

have two kids in the " trenchcoat mafia " club. i could go on and on about

that.

did you know that ballistics show that half the victims of columbine were

shot by police? yet, for some reason, the mainstream media continues to

state as a fact that the " victims of columbine " were killed by " harris and

klebold. "

 

 

 

 

> The articles link many episodes of violence with the use of

> antidepressants, which are known(by industry, doctors and even

> justice) to cause episodes of fury, etc.

> > What I was pointing out is that a medicine with such a dangerous

> potential must be better controlled and administered with much

> greater care. Otherwise they(the doctors) are accomplices of such

> happenings(when they are caused by the drug, of course).> marcos

 

 

MT: i agree. those drugs are extremely harmful. but " they " would rather

ban guns than those drugs. i think the vtech shootings were a total setup.

mercurius trismegistus

http://www.amazon.com/Prozac-Backlash-Overcoming-Antidepressants-Alternatives/dp\

/0743200624/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5148696-4516906?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1177721978 & s\

r=1-1

Prozac Backlash: Overcoming the Dangers of Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and Other

Antidepressants with Safe, Effective Alternatives (Paperback)

by Joseph Glenmullen

[Guest guest]

This discussion is veering too much away from healing concerns.

 

Victoria Dragon

Moderator

[Guest guest]

--- Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum

escreveu:

 

> > Now(thatyou explained what you meant) i can answer your

> question;

> > > No, the antidepressants did not order the police to 'stand

> down'!

> > > Anyway, even if the police had caught him after the two

> > shootings, he had already killed two!

> > All the weirdness have a variety of explanations, that no

> > doubt(most) will be explained in time.

>

>

> MT: not so sure about that. for instance, there are over 200

> spent

> cartridges that cannot be accounted for by the police or the

> ostensible " two

> shooters " in the columbine event. as well as dozens of propane

> bombs that

> magically appeared out of nowhere. or how the lead FBI

> investigator could

> have two kids in the " trenchcoat mafia " club. i could go on

> and on about

> that.

> did you know that ballistics show that half the victims of

> columbine were

> shot by police? yet, for some reason, the mainstream media

> continues to

> state as a fact that the " victims of columbine " were killed by

> " harris and

> klebold. "

>

>

>

>

> > The articles link many episodes of violence with the use of

> > antidepressants, which are known(by industry, doctors and

> even

> > justice) to cause episodes of fury, etc.

> > > What I was pointing out is that a medicine with such a

> dangerous

> > potential must be better controlled and administered with

> much

> > greater care. Otherwise they(the doctors) are accomplices of

> such

> > happenings(when they are caused by the drug, of course).>

> marcos

>

>

> MT: i agree. those drugs are extremely harmful. but " they "

> would rather

> ban guns than those drugs. i think the vtech shootings were a

> total setup.

> mercurius trismegistus

 

 

Hello Mercurius,

 

Anything that has a profit in it is almost impossible to ban,

even if it is illegal;-)

Columbine is quite misterious.

But why the Vtech would be a setup?

 

marcos

 

 

 

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Quite right,

I'll drop it.

 

But these people with depression, etc, could be helped

significantly with chinese medicine; food, herbs, acupuncture,

massage, qi-gong,...

 

marcos

 

--- victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon escreveu:

 

> This discussion is veering too much away from healing concerns.

>

> Victoria Dragon

> Moderator

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , marcos <ishk18 wrote:

>

>

> Quite right,

> I'll drop it.

>

> But these people with depression, etc, could be helped

> significantly with chinese medicine; food, herbs, acupuncture,

> massage, qi-gong,...

>

> marcos

 

very very true, if they would accept it and embrace the treatment =)

 

That's the hard part....