Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Are there any concrete sources of information/testing/expiraments that prove that the low level radiation devices such as cell phones and microwaves. I am having difficulty making arguments to the skeptics. Thanks Carlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Are there any concrete sources of information/ testing/expiraments that prove that the low level radiation devices such as cell phones and microwaves. I am having difficulty making arguments to the skeptics. Thanks Carlos Carlos, Some portion of the population (instant gratification consumers) don't really care about truth, if that wasn't the case, nobody would be taking up cigarette smoking these days! The website below(Omega-News) is like a distribution hub for related information(links) on the effect of EM radiation in general! I am listing an article dealing with EMF's specific effect on bees: http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3545166/ Also you might want to check out " mast-victims.org " where they've posted an MP3 interview with Dr. Gerald Goldberg that is quite fascinating - highly recommended! http://www.mast-victims.org/resources/audio/dr-goldberg-interview-01-12-2006.mp3 Domingo When Bees Disappear, Will Man Soon Follow? <http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3545166/> Apr 5th, 2007, 7:45 AM Jean-Claude Gerard Koven Last week I received an email from a friend reporting a sudden, devastating collapse in America's bee population. The message triggered an immediate unpleasant shiver through my body as I recalled the ominous quote attributed to Albert Einstein: " If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. " Being a bit skeptical, I assumed this was just another piece of alarmist misinformation finding its way onto Internet distribution lists. A few minutes' research not only confirmed the story, but made me realize that the problem is far from local. In official circles, the condition is called either Fall-Dwindle Disease or, more commonly, Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD). The communication I received stated: " Honeybees are flying off in search of pollen and nectar and simply never returning to their colonies. During the final three months of 2006, a distressing number of honeybee colonies began to diminish from the United States, and beekeepers all over the country have reported unprecedented losses. According to scientists, the domesticated honeybee population has declined by about 50 percent in the last 50 years. Reports of similar losses to the honeybee population have been documented before in beekeeping literature, but are widely believed to have occurred at this scale previously only at a regional level. With outbreaks recorded as far back as 1896, this is regarded as the first national honeybee epidemic in U.S. history. " The topics grabbing headlines these days leave little room in the news for the plight of an insect. What we fail to appreciate is that without an abundance of bees to pollinate crops, the United States could lose as much as 30 percent of its food supply. According to Zac Browning, vice president of the American Beekeeping Federation, " Every third bite we consume in our diet is dependent on a honeybee to pollinate that food. " There is no doubt about what is happening - or its consequences if the situation is not rectified. What remains murky is the cause. According to Walter Haefeker, director of the German Beekeepers Association, CCD has four possible causes: the varroa mite, introduced from Asia; the widespread practice of spraying wildflowers with herbicides; the practice of monoculture (a single crop covering a large area); and the controversial yet growing use of genetic engineering in agriculture. However, it is the thinking of one of the cell phone industry's former scientific hired guns that caught my attention. When George Carlo, M.D., the celebrated author of " Cell Phones: Invisible Hazards in the Wireless Age " and current chairman of the nonprofit Science and Public Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., weighs in with an opinion, we'd all be fools not to listen carefully. On a recent conference call, Dr. Carlo laid the blame for the sudden demise (often within 72 hours) of entire bee colonies on the recent proliferation of electromagnetic waves (EMF). He cited the startling statistic that, at present, there are some 2.5 billion cell phone users around the world. While this (plus the explosive growth of cell phone towers) used to be the major concern, the problem has been significantly exacerbated by the recent introduction of satellite radio. Imagine being closeted in a confined environment filled with chain smokers; it would be impossible for you to get a breath of clean air. It is becoming equally difficult for you to avoid the now-measurable damage from EMF exposure. Dr. Carlo commented that the constant electromagnetic background noise seems to disrupt intercellular communication within individual bees, such that many of them cannot find their way back to the hive. His conclusions are confirmed by a recent study conducted by three departments of Panjab University (India), which has found that cell phone towers - the dominant source of electromagnetic radiation in the city of Chandigarh - could well be the cause behind the mysterious disappearance of butterflies, some insects (like bees), and birds. Andrew Weil, M.D., author of " Spontaneous Healing and 8 Weeks to Optimum Health, " fully agrees: " Electromagnetic pollution may be the most significant form of pollution human activity has produced in this century, all the more dangerous because it is invisible and insensible. " In some countries, up to 10 percent of the population suffers from a serious EMF-induced condition that Dr. Carlo and others call membrane sensitivity syndrome. In a recent address to the Health, Social Services and Housing Sub-Panel in the United Kingdom, Carlo explained: " Originally, this type of condition was the result of high chemical exposures; we used to call it chemical sensitivity. Now we have identified the same type of condition in patients who are exposed to various types of electromagnetic radiation. It is a medical problem. People who have membrane sensitivity syndrome have internal bleeding. They can be in a room where somebody puts on a cell phone, and they will end up having an immediate reaction; they will go home and they will bleed and in their stool they will have blood. This condition is very debilitating. It prevents these people from being able to work; they cannot earn a living, they have difficult relationships with their children, their spouses give up on them. .. It is a very, very serious medical problem. " The bees are the modern-day counterpart of the canaries that miners used to carry with them as they descended into the mine shafts. If the birds died, it was an early warning of a buildup of toxic gases in the mine. When canaries die or bees disappear, we are being cautioned that we too are in immediate danger. It is time to listen to the message nature is telling us. Denial - the favorite ploy of those whose profits are being threatened - is no longer an option. As Arthur Schopenhauer said, " All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. " I shudder to think of what will become of humankind if we linger too long in stage two: " no more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. " ----- End forwarded message ----- Millions of Bees Die - Are Electromagnetic Signals To Blame? http://eeng.net/CS/blogs/smileycoyote/archive/2007/04/08/322.aspx Informant: smileycoyote -------- Ecological Apocalypse: Why Are All The Bees Dying? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/100407beesdying.htm -------- Keepers fear mystery bee illness http://www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/keepers_fear_mystery_bee_illness.htm I also wrote to the London bee keeper man as follows, Dear John Chappel Statement from Ingrid There is a huge body of research on bees from Germany that has never been considered in the UK. This research shows that bees carry magnesomes in their underbelly and are thus highly sensitive to magnetic fields. They communicate and navigate via electromagnetic frequencies. The German researchers consider bees to be bio indicators for the biological effects of radiation. They are the canaries in the coal mine. The current environment with microwave radiation levels billions of times higher than the natural background levels is like putting a fish in a poisoned pond. The bees try to escape the radiation and get lost and exhausted. Ingrid Dickenson hese-UK http://www.hese-project.org/hese-uk/en/issues/nature.php?id=bees Dr Warnke is one of the leading researchers in Germany in this area. He is convinced of the harmfullness of the phone masts to bees and has been saying so for years. Please feel free to contact us if you want any information. We are currently translating a Swiss research paper summarising the effects on bees. Yours etc Re are mobiles killing our bees? Andrea has spoken to Dr Warnke. He is convinced of the radiation being the cause. See one of his early papers: Effects of electric charges on honey bees Dr Warnke Bee World vol 57 no 2 1976 http://www.hese-project.org/hese-uk/en/papers/warnke_bee_world_76.pdf From Mast Sanity/Mast Network -------- Cell Phones May Be Wiping Out Bees, say Scientists http://www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/cell_phones_may_be_wiping_out_bees.htm http://omega.twoday.net/search?q=bees http://freepage.twoday.net/search?q=bees http://omega.twoday.net/search?q=Carlo Are mobile phones killing... <http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3584203/> Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? http://www.drudgere port.com/ http://news.inde pendent.co.uk/environment/ wildlife/article2449968.ec e Scientists... Starmail - 18. Apr, 14:32 How Electromagnetic Exposure... <http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3613555/> http://www.buergerwelle.de /pdf/how_electromagnetic_e xposure_can_influence_lear ning_processes.pdf From. .. Starmail - 18. Apr, 14:31 Can Electromagnetic Exposure... <http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3613572/> http://www.buergerwelle.de /pdf/can_electromagnetic_e xposure_cause_a_change_in_ behaviour.htm From... Starmail - 18. Apr, 14:28 Colony Collapse Disorder <http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3610924/> http://omega.twoday.net/se arch?q=Colony+Collapse+Dis order http://omega.twoday. net/search?q=bees http://f reepage.twoday.net/search? q=bees Starmail - 18. Apr, 09:30 Action Over Surveillance... <http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3610787/> http://www.scoop.co.nz/sto ries/PO0704/S00217.htm Starmail - 18. Apr, 09:27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 These are some that I have collected on microwaves, they all would support that they are harmful. The three that are attached as files are big but well worth the read. Some are a bit old so you might want to look into it more. Blessings Sam ---------------------------- Pediatrics. 1992 Apr;89(4 Pt 1):667-9. Related Articles, Links Effects of microwave radiation on anti-infective factors in human milk. Quan R, Yang C, Rubinstein S, Lewiston NJ, Sunshine P, Stevenson DK, Kerner JA Jr. Department of Pediatrics, Stanford University School of Medicine, CA. In intensive care nurseries it has become common practice to use microwave thawing of frozen human milk for more rapid accessibility. Twenty-two freshly frozen human milk samples were tested for lysozyme activity, total IgA, and specific secretory IgA to Escherichia coli serotypes 01, 04, and 06. The samples were heated by microwave for 30 seconds at a low- or high-power setting and then reanalyzed. One-mL aliquots of 10 additional human milk samples were microwaved at low (20 degrees C to 25 degrees C), medium (60 degrees C to 70 degrees C), and high (greater than or equal to 98 degrees C) setting before the addition to each of 1 mL of diluted E coli suspension. E coli growth was determined after 3 1/2 hours of incubation at 37 degrees C. Microwaving at high temperatures (72 degrees C to 98 degrees C) caused a marked decrease in activity of all the tested antiinfective factors. E coli growth at greater than or equal to 98 degrees C was 18 times that of control human milk. Microwaving at low temperatures (20 degrees C to 53 degrees C) had no significant effect on total IgA, specific IgA to E coli serotypes 01 and 04, but did significantly decrease lysozyme and specific IgA to E coli serotype 06. Even at 20 degrees C to 25 degrees C, E coli growth was five times that of control human milk. Microwaving appears to be contraindicated at high temperatures, and questions regarding its safety exist even at low temperatures. PMID: 1557249 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE --- Crib Death - Infection May Cause SIDS (From todays, May 2, 2002 Windsor Star) Crib Death Infection May Cause SIDS Milan, Italy Sudden infant death syndrome, in which apparently healthy babies die inexplicably in their cribs, may be linked to infection with a common bacterium, preliminary research suggests. Researchers told a conference on infectious diseases that a shock-producing byproduct of E.coli was found in the blood of all SIDS babies tested, but in none of the infants used as a comparison. Experts not connected with the research said the toxic infection theory is plausable. SIDS describes unexpected deaths that autopsies can't explain. Scientists remain mystified by crib death, the top killer of babies aged between one month and one year. Infection is not a new idea, but this is the first time the specific E.coli protein has been implicated. " The serum from babies who have died of SIDS is toxic to chick embryos and mice - indicating the presence of a toxin, said Dr. Paul Goldwater, who presented his study at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases. - Associated Press ----- audi0warfare <carlos wrote: Are there any concrete sources of information/testing/expiraments that prove that the low level radiation devices such as cell phones and microwaves. I am having difficulty making arguments to the skeptics. Thanks Carlos Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , sam steffens <samsteffens wrote: > ---------------------------- > Pediatrics. 1992 Apr;89(4 Pt 1):667-9. > Related Articles, Links > > Effects of microwave radiation on anti-infective factors in human milk. > > Quan R, Yang C, Rubinstein S, Lewiston NJ, Sunshine P, Stevenson DK, Kerner JA Jr. > > Department of Pediatrics, Stanford University School of Medicine, CA. > > In intensive care nurseries it has become common practice to use > microwave thawing of frozen human milk for more rapid accessibility. > Twenty-two freshly frozen human milk samples were tested for > lysozyme activity, total IgA, and specific secretory IgA to > Escherichia coli serotypes 01, 04, and 06. The samples were heated > by microwave for 30 seconds at a low- or high-power setting and then > reanalyzed. One-mL aliquots of 10 additional human milk samples were > microwaved at low (20 degrees C to 25 degrees C), medium (60 degrees > C to 70 degrees C), and high (greater than or equal to 98 degrees C) > setting before the addition to each of 1 mL of diluted E coli > suspension. E coli growth was determined after 3 1/2 hours of > incubation at 37 degrees C. Microwaving at high temperatures (72 > degrees C to 98 degrees C) caused a marked decrease in activity of > all the tested antiinfective factors. E coli growth at greater than > or equal to 98 degrees C was 18 times that of control human milk. > > Microwaving at low temperatures (20 degrees C to 53 degrees C) had > no significant effect on total IgA, specific IgA to E coli serotypes > 01 and 04, but did significantly decrease lysozyme and specific IgA > to E coli serotype 06. Even at 20 degrees C to 25 degrees C, E coli > growth was five times that of control human milk. Microwaving > appears to be contraindicated at high temperatures, and questions > regarding its safety exist even at low temperatures. Do you know if there was a control in this test? Something like alternative heating methods besides the microwaves, such as an oven or a stove? I would be interested to know. It just makes me wonder because it says low level heat in the microwaves didn't really affect the milk, or at least as far as they were measuring it. It did affect the enzymes as the liquid approached boiling... which is what we would naturally expect. Water over 180F (which is about 82C) for about 2 min kills off most of the bacteria and the enzymes; obviously with the weaker ones dying sooner, and the tougher ones taking longer to kill with temperature. Taken from wikipedia " Boiling in water for 15 minutes will kill most vegetative bacteria and viruses, but boiling is ineffective against prions and many bacterial and fungal spores; therefore boiling is unsuitable for sterilization. However, since boiling does kill most bacteria and viruses, it is useful for reducing microbe levels if no better method is available. Boiling is a simple process, and is an option available to most anyone most anywhere, requiring only water, enough heat, and a container that can withstand the heat; however, boiling can be hazardous and cumbersome. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_(microbiology) As far as I understand it, this is what chinese medicine teaches... not to boil or overheat vegetables because it kills the living parts in them that you want, that aid in digestion and in some ways to health. Instead it teaches a light steam just enough to break the cell walls of the plants because we don't have anything in our bodies to break down the cell walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Even at 20 degrees C to 25 degrees C, E coli > growth was five times that of control human milk. This is something that I picked up some time ago and do not have any further information on. the above is a clip out of it so I am guessing that there was a control. If you look it up I think you can get a full report as it is old enough to be out to the public. The biggest problem I have is when you get a study most of the time you have to pay moocho bucks to get the whole thing or it is still not available for the public to access. There is an important thing to always remember when looking at studies, who ever is doing them can always get it to say what they want it to say. So creddibility it always a question in my mind no matter what the study is. I do know that there is other supporting work on microwaves harm and breast milk. If you look into a book called Breastfeeding and Human Lactation second edition by Jan Riordan and Kathleen G. Auerbach. There is a great wealth of information in it and it gives detailed background to its biology and talks about heating it. So that could be a use full resource. There are also great resources in the back of the book that you could look at. Sorry this is not more help full but hopefully it will give you enough to get digging. Blessings Sam Also read the other papers on the effects of Microwaves I included they have allot of info. mrasmm <mrasmm wrote: --- In Chinese Traditional Medicine , sam steffens <samsteffens wrote: > ---------------------------- > Pediatrics. 1992 Apr;89(4 Pt 1):667-9. > Related Articles, Links > > Effects of microwave radiation on anti-infective factors in human milk. > > Quan R, Yang C, Rubinstein S, Lewiston NJ, Sunshine P, Stevenson DK, Kerner JA Jr. > > Department of Pediatrics, Stanford University School of Medicine, CA. > > In intensive care nurseries it has become common practice to use > microwave thawing of frozen human milk for more rapid accessibility. > Twenty-two freshly frozen human milk samples were tested for > lysozyme activity, total IgA, and specific secretory IgA to > Escherichia coli serotypes 01, 04, and 06. The samples were heated > by microwave for 30 seconds at a low- or high-power setting and then > reanalyzed. One-mL aliquots of 10 additional human milk samples were > microwaved at low (20 degrees C to 25 degrees C), medium (60 degrees > C to 70 degrees C), and high (greater than or equal to 98 degrees C) > setting before the addition to each of 1 mL of diluted E coli > suspension. E coli growth was determined after 3 1/2 hours of > incubation at 37 degrees C. Microwaving at high temperatures (72 > degrees C to 98 degrees C) caused a marked decrease in activity of > all the tested antiinfective factors. E coli growth at greater than > or equal to 98 degrees C was 18 times that of control human milk. > > Microwaving at low temperatures (20 degrees C to 53 degrees C) had > no significant effect on total IgA, specific IgA to E coli serotypes > 01 and 04, but did significantly decrease lysozyme and specific IgA > to E coli serotype 06. Even at 20 degrees C to 25 degrees C, E coli > growth was five times that of control human milk. Microwaving > appears to be contraindicated at high temperatures, and questions > regarding its safety exist even at low temperatures. Do you know if there was a control in this test? Something like alternative heating methods besides the microwaves, such as an oven or a stove? I would be interested to know. It just makes me wonder because it says low level heat in the microwaves didn't really affect the milk, or at least as far as they were measuring it. It did affect the enzymes as the liquid approached boiling... which is what we would naturally expect. Water over 180F (which is about 82C) for about 2 min kills off most of the bacteria and the enzymes; obviously with the weaker ones dying sooner, and the tougher ones taking longer to kill with temperature. Taken from wikipedia " Boiling in water for 15 minutes will kill most vegetative bacteria and viruses, but boiling is ineffective against prions and many bacterial and fungal spores; therefore boiling is unsuitable for sterilization. However, since boiling does kill most bacteria and viruses, it is useful for reducing microbe levels if no better method is available. Boiling is a simple process, and is an option available to most anyone most anywhere, requiring only water, enough heat, and a container that can withstand the heat; however, boiling can be hazardous and cumbersome. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_(microbiology) As far as I understand it, this is what chinese medicine teaches... not to boil or overheat vegetables because it kills the living parts in them that you want, that aid in digestion and in some ways to health. Instead it teaches a light steam just enough to break the cell walls of the plants because we don't have anything in our bodies to break down the cell walls. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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