Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 BSD Shalom, First I confer with what is written below and previously. If you are not getting results, switch practitioners. Internet is not always a solution (can even be a detriment), hands on viewing someone or at least hearing there voice is preferred. Get a full Physical- Western Medicine Blood Workup including Hormonal and Gynecological...though you have had surgeries there is still a need for regular check-ups. (I prefer complimentary medicine) 2) Gan mao ling is not for long term use 3) Xiao Yao Wan perhaps on a trial basis for one month skipping one day a week is suggested here..report after one month..may need for several months 4)Bach Flower- Walnut- 4 drops in a small amount of water 3x a day. Even though sometime ago I have had great sucess with it the last 20 yrs for my patients 5)Avoid all uncooked cold foods and drinks 6) Ignatia 30ch- Homeopathic 3pill (dissolved in mouth)3x day take away from food and drink at least 15 minutes (no mint no coffee or other stimulants) 6) Eat Grains for grounding with vegetables steamed-to make grain more easily digested (cook w/larger amounts of water...4-5 cups of water to one cup of brown rice, cooked with a little bit of Ubeoshi plum (forgive the possible mispelling) 7) Exerise that you enjoy- I prefer Tai Chi and Qi Gong, healthy food and meditation or prayer..essential Though it is possible that Kid Qi Def and Lung Qi Excess/Def Tonics may be called for ... first try the above and report back!! Think Good It Will Be Good!! Expressing your frustrations is good now dwell on the positive actions you have been trying to implement!! Oh yes, go dancing, soft style, free form or light folk dancing if possible on hardwood floors...good for Heart/Liver!! Have A Helathy, Happy & Healing Day!! The preceeding is in no way intended as treatment, only suggestions. Consult a doctor when possible. WTC Chinese Traditional Medicine , Brazie'r Jame'e <jameeb2001 wrote: > > You are welcome. But remember you and your practitioner have to work as a team and communication is a big part of that teamwork success. > > Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: >I understand, but i've been on this list a while and it seems ike every > time I ask, I get either a complicated answer I can't understand or told > to go to a doc. Other people actually get help. It has happened > repeatedly and I just finally voiced my frustration. It isn't you. I > appreciate your help. Thank you for extending yourself to help me. > Michelle > > Although I can empathize with your situation. It is important to have > > actual contact with the person giving the advice. I am actually giving > > you the best advice there is in any given situation. Although they are > > natural herbs are drugs and have reactions as well as benefits. If you > > are not getting what you need from that acupuncturist at this time in > > your life then try another one and see if their energy is better for you > > in this time in your life and in reference to your needs. I am more than > > sure if it was a long process and grief that you have kidney and lung > > deficiency which are affecting other parts of your body but of course I > > can see or observe or touch or listen to you all of which are important > > in chinese medicine. My apologies if you are dissatisfied with my advise > > I do want to help you. But I will not put you in harms way by offering > > advice that I can't support with diagnostic reasons. > > > > > > Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: > > >Doctors have found nothing, I am seeing a licensed > > accupumcturist and > > herbalist. Accupuncture did something for me during my husband's illness > > but isn't worth the cost now as I experience nothing. I want more input > > than my (wonderful) accu/herbalist provides. I wonder why some people on > > the list get helpful hints and I always get " see a doctor'. it is > > frustrating. > > Michelle > > > > As for tonics they are very cloying and it seems like your shen has no > >> root, Lung yin and qi deficiency. But you need to do two things and > >> neither are self medicate. > >> 1. See a doctor > >> 2. See a licensed Acupuncturist and herbalist. > >> > >> > >> Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: > >> >normal tongue color and generally not a lot of coating. > >> Scalloped tongue. > >> Shallow breathing. Usually feel dehydrated and no matter how much I > >> drink can't hydrate, but drink coffee, I know that contributes to the > >> dehydration a lot. I drink a lot of tea and some just warm water. I > >> drink a lot of water too. If it is chilled I can get chills. I am damp > >> and on the cold side. I live in the cold damp Pacific Northwest of US. > >> No edema or constipation. Digestive troubles. Take enzymes. Magnesium. > >> Sometimes get headaches. I take Gan Mao Ling on a regular basis or I > >> get out of body spells with weakness and strange dreamlike fragmented > >> images. > >> Michelle > >> > >> There seems to be a lot going on here TCM is based on Wholism Need > >> more > >>> information like the tongue color and BM, Fluid intake and expulsion, > >>> any edema? Constipation? SOB or shallow breathing? Any other pain or > >>> headaches? > >>> > >>> Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: Hi, > >>> I have high blood pressure from depleted yin. I have had it for 11 > >>> years. I am very exhausted after caretaking my dying husband (died > >>> 11/11/2005)and various other major crises in the past ten years. I > >>> have no motivation to do anything and little desire to be on the > >>> planet. My spleen and uterus have been removed. I have benign liver > >>> disease (spots on the liver). At one time I had a ruptured spleen for > >>> four years that 'crawled around' trying to seal itself on various > >>> organs: diaphram, stomach etc. > >>> I have a feeling that there are tonics that could help. > >>> Thanks, > >>> Michelle > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Where there is pain there is stagnation of qi and if there is no pain > >>> then there is no qi stagnation > >>> > >>> > >>> Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > >>> Try the free Mail Beta. > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 >Thank you! It will be hard to switch practitioners. This sweet lady treated me for free for months and she is a friend. We are in a small area, so she would know. There are only three practitioners in my area, I've been to one of the others for a while and got no results, the other is this lady's partner. This lady has helped me with other issues, just not the extreme tiredness (and high blood pressure). Do you have any ideas to replace cold cereal in the morning? I don't feel like moving, cooking or eating much. Cereal is so easy, but I know it is cold. Other than that I do avoid raw/cold foods and milk. I forget if I told you I'm on Gan Mao Ling because of what she thinks is residual virus. BSD > Shalom, > First I confer with what is written below and previously. If you are > not getting results, switch practitioners. > Internet is not always a solution (can even be a detriment), hands on > viewing someone or at least hearing there voice is preferred. > Get a full Physical- Western Medicine Blood Workup including Hormonal > and Gynecological...though you have had surgeries there is still a need > for regular check-ups. > (I prefer complimentary medicine) > 2) Gan mao ling is not for long term use > 3) Xiao Yao Wan perhaps on a trial basis for one month skipping one day > a week is suggested here..report after one month..may need for several > months > 4)Bach Flower- Walnut- 4 drops in a small amount of water 3x a day. > Even though sometime ago I have had great sucess with it the last 20 yrs > for my patients > 5)Avoid all uncooked cold foods and drinks > 6) Ignatia 30ch- Homeopathic 3pill (dissolved in mouth)3x day > take away from food and drink at least 15 minutes (no mint no > coffee or other stimulants) > 6) Eat Grains for grounding with vegetables steamed-to make grain more > easily digested (cook w/larger amounts of water...4-5 cups of water to > one cup of brown rice, cooked with a little bit of Ubeoshi plum (forgive > the possible mispelling) > 7) Exerise that you enjoy- I prefer Tai Chi and Qi Gong, healthy food > and meditation or prayer..essential > > Though it is possible that Kid Qi Def and Lung Qi Excess/Def Tonics may > be called for ... first try the above and report back!! > > Think Good It Will Be Good!! > Expressing your frustrations is good now dwell on the positive actions > you have been trying to implement!! > > Oh yes, go dancing, soft style, free form or light folk dancing if > possible on hardwood floors...good for Heart/Liver!! > > Have A Helathy, Happy & Healing Day!! > > The preceeding is in no way intended as treatment, only suggestions. > Consult a doctor when possible. > > WTC > Chinese Traditional Medicine , Brazie'r Jame'e > <jameeb2001 wrote: >> >> You are welcome. But remember you and your practitioner have to work > as a team and communication is a big part of that teamwork success. >> >> Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: >I understand, but > i've been on this list a while and it seems ike every >> time I ask, I get either a complicated answer I can't understand or >> told to go to a doc. Other people actually get help. It has happened >> repeatedly and I just finally voiced my frustration. It isn't you. I >> appreciate your help. Thank you for extending yourself to help me. >> Michelle >> >> Although I can empathize with your situation. It is important to have >> > actual contact with the person giving the advice. I am actually >> giving you the best advice there is in any given situation. Although >> they are natural herbs are drugs and have reactions as well as >> benefits. If you are not getting what you need from that >> acupuncturist at this time in your life then try another one and see >> if their energy is better > for you >> > in this time in your life and in reference to your needs. I am > more than >> > sure if it was a long process and grief that you have kidney and >> lung deficiency which are affecting other parts of your body but of > course I >> > can see or observe or touch or listen to you all of which are > important >> > in chinese medicine. My apologies if you are dissatisfied with my > advise >> > I do want to help you. But I will not put you in harms way by >> offering advice that I can't support with diagnostic reasons. >> > >> > >> > Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: >> > >Doctors have found nothing, I am seeing a licensed >> > accupumcturist and >> > herbalist. Accupuncture did something for me during my husband's > illness >> > but isn't worth the cost now as I experience nothing. I want more > input >> > than my (wonderful) accu/herbalist provides. I wonder why some > people on >> > the list get helpful hints and I always get " see a doctor'. it is >> frustrating. >> > Michelle >> > >> > As for tonics they are very cloying and it seems like your shen has >> no >> >> root, Lung yin and qi deficiency. But you need to do two things and >> neither are self medicate. >> >> 1. See a doctor >> >> 2. See a licensed Acupuncturist and herbalist. >> >> >> >> >> >> Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: >> >> >normal tongue color and generally not a lot of coating. >> >> Scalloped tongue. >> >> Shallow breathing. Usually feel dehydrated and no matter how much I >> drink can't hydrate, but drink coffee, I know that contributes to >> the dehydration a lot. I drink a lot of tea and some just warm >> water. I drink a lot of water too. If it is chilled I can get >> chills. I am > damp >> >> and on the cold side. I live in the cold damp Pacific Northwest > of US. >> >> No edema or constipation. Digestive troubles. Take enzymes. > Magnesium. >> >> Sometimes get headaches. I take Gan Mao Ling on a regular basis or >> I get out of body spells with weakness and strange dreamlike >> fragmented images. >> >> Michelle >> >> >> >> There seems to be a lot going on here TCM is based on Wholism Need >> more >> >>> information like the tongue color and BM, Fluid intake and > expulsion, >> >>> any edema? Constipation? SOB or shallow breathing? Any other pain >> or headaches? >> >>> >> >>> Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: Hi, >> >>> I have high blood pressure from depleted yin. I have had it for 11 >> years. I am very exhausted after caretaking my dying husband (died >> 11/11/2005)and various other major crises in the past ten years. I >> have no motivation to do anything and little desire to be on the >> planet. My spleen and uterus have been removed. I have benign >> liver disease (spots on the liver). At one time I had a ruptured > spleen for >> >>> four years that 'crawled around' trying to seal itself on various >> organs: diaphram, stomach etc. >> >>> I have a feeling that there are tonics that could help. >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Michelle >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Where there is pain there is stagnation of qi and if there is no > pain >> >>> then there is no qi stagnation >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. >> >>> Try the free Mail Beta. >> >>> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 >I wasn't done...I pushed tab or something and off it went. I will try the stuff on your list. Would you recommend cooked grains with candida? I don't think I have it now, but I have a strong tendency. For months I was going back and forth between total para and yst redux with small vacations in between. Then I went on something for heavy metals and now am on enzymes and probiotics. Michelle >Thank you! > It will be hard to switch practitioners. This sweet lady treated me for > free for months and she is a friend. We are in a small area, so she > would know. There are only three practitioners in my area, I've been to > one of the others for a while and got no results, the other is this > lady's partner. > This lady has helped me with other issues, just not the extreme > tiredness (and high blood pressure). > Do you have any ideas to replace cold cereal in the morning? I don't > feel like moving, cooking or eating much. Cereal is so easy, but I know > it is cold. Other than that I do avoid raw/cold foods and milk. > I forget if I told you I'm on Gan Mao Ling because of what she thinks > is residual virus. > > BSD >> Shalom, >> First I confer with what is written below and previously. If you are >> not getting results, switch practitioners. >> Internet is not always a solution (can even be a detriment), hands on >> viewing someone or at least hearing there voice is preferred. >> Get a full Physical- Western Medicine Blood Workup including Hormonal >> and Gynecological...though you have had surgeries there is still a >> need for regular check-ups. >> (I prefer complimentary medicine) >> 2) Gan mao ling is not for long term use >> 3) Xiao Yao Wan perhaps on a trial basis for one month skipping one >> day a week is suggested here..report after one month..may need for >> several months >> 4)Bach Flower- Walnut- 4 drops in a small amount of water 3x a day. >> Even though sometime ago I have had great sucess with it the last 20 >> yrs for my patients >> 5)Avoid all uncooked cold foods and drinks >> 6) Ignatia 30ch- Homeopathic 3pill (dissolved in mouth)3x day >> take away from food and drink at least 15 minutes (no mint no >> coffee or other stimulants) >> 6) Eat Grains for grounding with vegetables steamed-to make grain >> more easily digested (cook w/larger amounts of water...4-5 cups of >> water to one cup of brown rice, cooked with a little bit of Ubeoshi >> plum (forgive the possible mispelling) >> 7) Exerise that you enjoy- I prefer Tai Chi and Qi Gong, healthy food >> and meditation or prayer..essential >> >> Though it is possible that Kid Qi Def and Lung Qi Excess/Def Tonics >> may be called for ... first try the above and report back!! >> >> Think Good It Will Be Good!! >> Expressing your frustrations is good now dwell on the positive actions >> you have been trying to implement!! >> >> Oh yes, go dancing, soft style, free form or light folk dancing if >> possible on hardwood floors...good for Heart/Liver!! >> >> Have A Helathy, Happy & Healing Day!! >> >> The preceeding is in no way intended as treatment, only suggestions. >> Consult a doctor when possible. >> >> WTC >> Chinese Traditional Medicine , Brazie'r Jame'e >> <jameeb2001 wrote: >>> >>> You are welcome. But remember you and your practitioner have to work >> as a team and communication is a big part of that teamwork success. >>> >>> Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: >I understand, but >> i've been on this list a while and it seems ike every >>> time I ask, I get either a complicated answer I can't understand or >>> told to go to a doc. Other people actually get help. It has happened >>> repeatedly and I just finally voiced my frustration. It isn't you. I >>> appreciate your help. Thank you for extending yourself to help me. >>> Michelle >>> >>> Although I can empathize with your situation. It is important to have >>> > actual contact with the person giving the advice. I am actually >>> giving you the best advice there is in any given situation. Although >>> they are natural herbs are drugs and have reactions as well as >>> benefits. If you are not getting what you need from that >>> acupuncturist at this time in your life then try another one and see >>> if their energy is better >> for you >>> > in this time in your life and in reference to your needs. I am >> more than >>> > sure if it was a long process and grief that you have kidney and >>> lung deficiency which are affecting other parts of your body but of >> course I >>> > can see or observe or touch or listen to you all of which are >> important >>> > in chinese medicine. My apologies if you are dissatisfied with my >> advise >>> > I do want to help you. But I will not put you in harms way by >>> offering advice that I can't support with diagnostic reasons. >>> > >>> > >>> > Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: >>> > >Doctors have found nothing, I am seeing a licensed >>> > accupumcturist and >>> > herbalist. Accupuncture did something for me during my husband's >> illness >>> > but isn't worth the cost now as I experience nothing. I want more >> input >>> > than my (wonderful) accu/herbalist provides. I wonder why some >> people on >>> > the list get helpful hints and I always get " see a doctor'. it is >>> frustrating. >>> > Michelle >>> > >>> > As for tonics they are very cloying and it seems like your shen has >>> no >>> >> root, Lung yin and qi deficiency. But you need to do two things >>> and >>> neither are self medicate. >>> >> 1. See a doctor >>> >> 2. See a licensed Acupuncturist and herbalist. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: >>> >> >normal tongue color and generally not a lot of coating. >>> >> Scalloped tongue. >>> >> Shallow breathing. Usually feel dehydrated and no matter how much >>> I >>> drink can't hydrate, but drink coffee, I know that contributes to the >>> dehydration a lot. I drink a lot of tea and some just warm >>> water. I drink a lot of water too. If it is chilled I can get >>> chills. I am >> damp >>> >> and on the cold side. I live in the cold damp Pacific Northwest >> of US. >>> >> No edema or constipation. Digestive troubles. Take enzymes. >> Magnesium. >>> >> Sometimes get headaches. I take Gan Mao Ling on a regular basis or >>> I get out of body spells with weakness and strange dreamlike >>> fragmented images. >>> >> Michelle >>> >> >>> >> There seems to be a lot going on here TCM is based on Wholism Need >>> more >>> >>> information like the tongue color and BM, Fluid intake and >> expulsion, >>> >>> any edema? Constipation? SOB or shallow breathing? Any other pain >>> or headaches? >>> >>> >>> >>> Michelle Clark <michellec wrote: Hi, >>> >>> I have high blood pressure from depleted yin. I have had it for >>> 11 >>> years. I am very exhausted after caretaking my dying husband (died >>> 11/11/2005)and various other major crises in the past ten years. I >>> have no motivation to do anything and little desire to be on the >>> planet. My spleen and uterus have been removed. I have benign >>> liver disease (spots on the liver). At one time I had a ruptured >> spleen for >>> >>> four years that 'crawled around' trying to seal itself on various >>> organs: diaphram, stomach etc. >>> >>> I have a feeling that there are tonics that could help. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Michelle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Where there is pain there is stagnation of qi and if there is no >> pain >>> >>> then there is no qi stagnation >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. >>> >>> Try the free Mail Beta. >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark " <michellec wrote: > Do you have any ideas to replace cold cereal in the morning? I don't > feel like moving, cooking or eating much. Cereal is so easy, but I > know it is cold. Other than that I do avoid raw/cold foods and milk. > I forget if I told you I'm on Gan Mao Ling because of what she thinks > is residual virus. Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such as cinnamon may be added. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Protein is best in the morning (Earth-element food to increase heat in the digestive system). Almost anything will do, except soy products and pork (cooling). You might also want to consider black coffee or coffee substitute (bitter, to increase Fire). Alternatively, try a cup of beef consomme or bouillon--just make sure it's made from beef, not hydrolized soy protein. Discontinue if it doesn't agree with you. Good luck! Ariel On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:02, qiuser wrote: > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark " > <michellec wrote: > > > Do you have any ideas to replace cold cereal in the morning? I don't > > feel like moving, cooking or eating much. Cereal is so easy, but I > > know it is cold. Other than that I do avoid raw/cold foods and milk. > > I forget if I told you I'm on Gan Mao Ling because of what she > thinks > > is residual virus. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " qiuser " <qiuser wrote: > Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick > oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such as > cinnamon may be added. > > sue Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As an alternate, if you have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in the microwave. Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt microwave works for me. I also toasted a bagel to go along with it. Like Sue was saying, cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or strawberries can be added according to where you are on your diet. The sugar for example can help people come away from cold cereal if they are used to the sugar, but if you are more sensative to sugar then you can leave it out =) I don't know if I would recommend it, but some people drink protein shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you say that you don't really feel the ability to move and be too envolved in making something, it might be an option to consider. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 >Thank you, both of you. Michelle Chinese Traditional Medicine , " qiuser " <qiuser wrote: > >> Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick >> oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such > as >> cinnamon may be added. >> >> sue > > > Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As an alternate, if you > have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in the microwave. > Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt microwave works for me. I > also toasted a bagel to go along with it. Like Sue was saying, > cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or strawberries can be added > according to where you are on your diet. The sugar for > example can help people come away from cold cereal if they are used to > the sugar, but if you are more sensative to sugar then you can leave it > out =) > > I don't know if I would recommend it, but some people drink protein > shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you say that you don't > really feel the ability to move and be too envolved in making > something, it might be an option to consider. > > Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 >Thank you! Michelle Protein is best in the morning (Earth-element food to increase heat in > the digestive system). Almost anything will do, except soy > products and pork (cooling). You might also want to consider black > coffee or coffee substitute (bitter, to increase Fire). > > Alternatively, try a cup of beef consomme or bouillon--just make sure > it's made from beef, not hydrolized soy protein. > > Discontinue if it doesn't agree with you. Good luck! > > Ariel > > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:02, qiuser wrote: >> Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark " >> <michellec wrote: >> >> > Do you have any ideas to replace cold cereal in the morning? I don't >> feel like moving, cooking or eating much. Cereal is so easy, but I >> know it is cold. Other than that I do avoid raw/cold foods and milk. >> I forget if I told you I'm on Gan Mao Ling because of what she >> thinks >> > is residual virus. >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 ....maybe don't use the microwave. There is a lot of information on the web about how it changes food in a bad way. Sorry I don't have any handy links. Certainly there is some info on Dr. Mercola's website. Also, a school student did an experiment in which two identical potted plants were watered the same amount on the same schedule - only one plant was given (cooled down) water that had been brought to a boil in a microwave. Guess which plant shriveled up and died? Jill Chinese Traditional Medicine , " mrasmm " <mrasmm wrote: > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " qiuser " <qiuser@> wrote: > > > Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick > > oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such > as > > cinnamon may be added. > > > > sue > > > Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As an alternate, if you > have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in the microwave. > Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt microwave works for me. > I also toasted a bagel to go along with it. Like Sue was saying, > cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or strawberries can be > added according to where you are on your diet. The sugar for > example can help people come away from cold cereal if they are used > to the sugar, but if you are more sensative to sugar then you can > leave it out =) > > I don't know if I would recommend it, but some people drink protein > shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you say that you don't > really feel the ability to move and be too envolved in making > something, it might be an option to consider. > > Good luck! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Jill, if you do a search back on the messages you will find that I and others, posted a lot of info on this issue of microwave cooking. People should not follow any one's dietary advice as gospel... please do your own research. Dr. Mercola's website is a good place to start! http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards2.htm http://www.mercola.com/article/insulin.htm jmax5421 wrote: > > ...maybe don't use the microwave. There is a lot of information on > the web about how it changes food in a bad way. Sorry I don't have > any handy links. Certainly there is some info on Dr. Mercola's > website. Also, a school student did an experiment in which two > identical potted plants were watered the same amount on the same > schedule - only one plant was given (cooled down) water that had been > brought to a boil in a microwave. Guess which plant shriveled up and > died? > > Jill > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>, " mrasmm " <mrasmm wrote: > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>, " qiuser " <qiuser@> wrote: > > > > > Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick > > > oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such > > as > > > cinnamon may be added. > > > > > > sue > > > > > > Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As an alternate, if > you > > have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in the microwave. > > Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt microwave works for me. > > I also toasted a bagel to go along with it. Like Sue was saying, > > cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or strawberries can be > > added according to where you are on your diet. The sugar for > > example can help people come away from cold cereal if they are used > > to the sugar, but if you are more sensative to sugar then you can > > leave it out =) > > > > I don't know if I would recommend it, but some people drink protein > > shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you say that you don't > > really feel the ability to move and be too envolved in making > > something, it might be an option to consider. > > > > Good luck! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 I don't like to use microwave much but regarding the plant study- did the living plant receive cooled water that had been boiled water over a stove?? If not then the study was not performed correctly. jmax5421 <jmax5421 wrote: ...maybe don't use the microwave. There is a lot of information on the web about how it changes food in a bad way. Sorry I don't have any handy links. Certainly there is some info on Dr. Mercola's website. Also, a school student did an experiment in which two identical potted plants were watered the same amount on the same schedule - only one plant was given (cooled down) water that had been brought to a boil in a microwave. Guess which plant shriveled up and died? Jill Chinese Traditional Medicine , " mrasmm " wrote: > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " qiuser " wrote: > > > Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick > > oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such > as > > cinnamon may be added. > > > > sue > > > Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As an alternate, if you > have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in the microwave. > Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt microwave works for me. > I also toasted a bagel to go along with it. Like Sue was saying, > cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or strawberries can be > added according to where you are on your diet. The sugar for > example can help people come away from cold cereal if they are used > to the sugar, but if you are more sensative to sugar then you can > leave it out =) > > I don't know if I would recommend it, but some people drink protein > shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you say that you don't > really feel the ability to move and be too envolved in making > something, it might be an option to consider. > > Good luck! > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Hi Steven, can you explain how it would have been performed incorrectly if the living plant's water had not been heated on a stove? Thanks! Hugo steven hall <tgr2x Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, 13 February, 2007 6:24:12 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Gan Mao Ling etc I don't like to use microwave much but regarding the plant study- did the living plant receive cooled water that had been boiled water over a stove?? If not then the study was not performed correctly. jmax5421 <jmax5421 > wrote: ...maybe don't use the microwave. There is a lot of information on the web about how it changes food in a bad way. Sorry I don't have any handy links. Certainly there is some info on Dr. Mercola's website. Also, a school student did an experiment in which two identical potted plants were watered the same amount on the same schedule - only one plant was given (cooled down) water that had been brought to a boil in a microwave. Guess which plant shriveled up and died? Jill Chinese Traditional Medicine, " mrasmm " wrote: > > Chinese Traditional Medicine, " qiuser " wrote: > > > Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick > > oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such > as > > cinnamon may be added. > > > > sue > > > Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As an alternate, if you > have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in the microwave. > Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt microwave works for me. > I also toasted a bagel to go along with it. Like Sue was saying, > cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or strawberries can be > added according to where you are on your diet. The sugar for > example can help people come away from cold cereal if they are used > to the sugar, but if you are more sensative to sugar then you can > leave it out =) > > I don't know if I would recommend it, but some people drink protein > shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you say that you don't > really feel the ability to move and be too envolved in making > something, it might be an option to consider. > > Good luck! > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine@ Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- @ Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- @ List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine- owner (AT) onelist (DOT) com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist. com/community/ Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 > Probably because cooking on a stove would also effect the water. I wonder if it is only a matter of degree...meaning degree of harm that cooking on the stove vs. in a microwave. Anyone want to do another study? Michelle Hi Steven, can you explain how it would have been performed incorrectly > if the living plant's water had not been heated on a stove? > > Thanks! > Hugo > > > steven hall <tgr2x > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, 13 February, 2007 6:24:12 PM > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Gan Mao Ling etc > > > > > > > I don't like to use microwave much but regarding the plant > study- did the living plant receive cooled water that had > been boiled water over a stove?? If not then the study was > not performed correctly. > > > > jmax5421 <jmax5421 > wrote: ...maybe don't use the microwave. > There is a lot of information on > > the web about how it changes food in a bad way. Sorry I don't have > > any handy links. Certainly there is some info on Dr. Mercola's > > website. Also, a school student did an experiment in which two > > identical potted plants were watered the same amount on the same > > schedule - only one plant was given (cooled down) water that had been > > brought to a boil in a microwave. Guess which plant shriveled up and > > died? > > > > Jill > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine, " mrasmm " wrote: > >> > >> Chinese Traditional Medicine, " qiuser " wrote: > >> > >> > Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick > >> > oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such > >> as > >> > cinnamon may be added. > >> > > >> > sue > >> > >> > >> Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As an alternate, if > > you > >> have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in the microwave. > >> Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt microwave works for me. > >> I also toasted a bagel to go along with it. Like Sue was saying, > >> cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or strawberries can be > >> added according to where you are on your diet. The sugar for > >> example can help people come away from cold cereal if they are used > >> to the sugar, but if you are more sensative to sugar then you can > >> leave it out =) > >> > >> I don't know if I would recommend it, but some people drink protein > >> shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you say that you don't > >> really feel the ability to move and be too envolved in making > >> something, it might be an option to consider. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine@ > > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- @ > > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- @ > > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine- owner (AT) onelist (DOT) com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist. com/community/ Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Plants are actually very sensitive creatures, there would be too many variables to control... including one that many people are not even aware of: The emotional content and intent of the caregiver/experimenter! Water itself can become a vehicle for such emotions and intent! .... and since, just like plants, we are over 70% water.............. be careful what you drink but most importantly, be careful what you think and what thoughts/intents surround you! LOL Domingo Michelle Clark wrote: > > > Probably because cooking on a stove would also effect the water. I > wonder if it is only a matter of degree...meaning degree of harm that > cooking on the stove vs. in a microwave. Anyone want to do another > study? > Michelle > > Hi Steven, can you explain how it would have been performed incorrectly > > if the living plant's water had not been heated on a stove? > > > > Thanks! > > Hugo > > > > > > steven hall <tgr2x <tgr2x%40>> > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40> > > Tuesday, 13 February, 2007 6:24:12 PM > > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Gan Mao Ling etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't like to use microwave much but regarding the plant > > study- did the living plant receive cooled water that had > > been boiled water over a stove?? If not then the study was > > not performed correctly. > > > > > > > > jmax5421 <jmax5421 > wrote: ...maybe don't use the microwave. > > There is a lot of information on > > > > the web about how it changes food in a bad way. Sorry I don't have > > > > any handy links. Certainly there is some info on Dr. Mercola's > > > > website. Also, a school student did an experiment in which two > > > > identical potted plants were watered the same amount on the same > > > > schedule - only one plant was given (cooled down) water that had been > > > > brought to a boil in a microwave. Guess which plant shriveled up and > > > > died? > > > > > > > > Jill > > > > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine, " mrasmm " wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Chinese Traditional Medicine, " qiuser " wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil water, put in quick > > > >> > oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 minutes. Spices such > > > >> as > > > >> > cinnamon may be added. > > > >> > > > > >> > sue > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As an alternate, if > > > > you > > > >> have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in the microwave. > > > >> Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt microwave works for me. > > > >> I also toasted a bagel to go along with it. Like Sue was saying, > > > >> cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or strawberries can be > > > >> added according to where you are on your diet. The sugar for > > > >> example can help people come away from cold cereal if they are used > > > >> to the sugar, but if you are more sensative to sugar then you can > > > >> leave it out =) > > > >> > > > >> I don't know if I would recommend it, but some people drink protein > > > >> shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you say that you don't > > > >> really feel the ability to move and be too envolved in making > > > >> something, it might be an option to consider. > > > >> > > > >> Good luck! > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine@ > > > > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- @ > > > > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- @ > > > > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine- owner (AT) onelist (DOT) com > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > http://www.onelist. com/community/ Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Some months ago we had a discussion here about the hazards of microwaves. You can find the discussion in the archives. Best not to use them. Jack --- Domingo Pichardo <dpichardo3 wrote: > Plants are actually very sensitive creatures, there > would be too many > variables to control... including one that many > people are not even > aware of: The emotional content and intent of the > caregiver/experimenter! Water itself can become a > vehicle for such > emotions and intent! .... and since, just like > plants, we are over 70% > water.............. be careful what you drink but > most importantly, be > careful what you think and what thoughts/intents > surround you! LOL > > Domingo > > Michelle Clark wrote: > > > > > Probably because cooking on a stove would also > effect the water. I > > wonder if it is only a matter of degree...meaning > degree of harm that > > cooking on the stove vs. in a microwave. Anyone > want to do another > > study? > > Michelle > > > > Hi Steven, can you explain how it would have been > performed incorrectly > > > if the living plant's water had not been heated > on a stove? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Hugo > > > > > > > > > steven hall <tgr2x > <tgr2x%40>> > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40> > > > Tuesday, 13 February, 2007 6:24:12 PM > > > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Gan Mao Ling > etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't like to use microwave much but regarding > the plant > > > study- did the living plant receive cooled water > that had > > > been boiled water over a stove?? If not then the > study was > > > not performed correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > jmax5421 <jmax5421 > wrote: ...maybe > don't use the microwave. > > > There is a lot of information on > > > > > > the web about how it changes food in a bad way. > Sorry I don't have > > > > > > any handy links. Certainly there is some info on > Dr. Mercola's > > > > > > website. Also, a school student did an > experiment in which two > > > > > > identical potted plants were watered the same > amount on the same > > > > > > schedule - only one plant was given (cooled > down) water that had been > > > > > > brought to a boil in a microwave. Guess which > plant shriveled up and > > > > > > died? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jill > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine, > " mrasmm " wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Chinese Traditional Medicine, > " qiuser " wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Try oatmeal, no cooking mostly you just boil > water, put in quick > > > > > >> > oats, turn off heat and let sit for about 5 > minutes. Spices such > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> > cinnamon may be added. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > sue > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Actually, this is what I was thinking also. As > an alternate, if > > > > > > you > > > > > >> have glass or ceramic bowls you can make it in > the microwave. > > > > > >> Usually something like 1:30 in a 1300 watt > microwave works for me. > > > > > >> I also toasted a bagel to go along with it. > Like Sue was saying, > > > > > >> cinamon, brown sugar, fruit like bananna's or > strawberries can be > > > > > >> added according to where you are on your diet. > The sugar for > > > > > >> example can help people come away from cold > cereal if they are used > > > > > >> to the sugar, but if you are more sensative to > sugar then you can > > > > > >> leave it out =) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I don't know if I would recommend it, but some > people drink protein > > > > > >> shakes in the morning for breakfast. Where you > say that you don't > > > > > >> really feel the ability to move and be too > envolved in making > > > > > >> something, it might be an option to consider. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Good luck! > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine@ > > > > > > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- @ > > > > > > > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- @ > > > > > > > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine- owner (AT) onelist (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > > > http://www.onelist. com/community/ > Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Yes, the water given to both plants was allowed to reach room temperature. This was posted several last summer (?) on the Sirius Intelligence . Jill Chinese Traditional Medicine , steven hall <tgr2x wrote: > > I don't like to use microwave much but regarding the plant study- did the living plant receive cooled water that had been boiled water over a stove?? If not then the study was not performed correctly. > > jmax5421 <jmax5421 wrote: ...maybe don't use the microwave. There is a lot of information on > the web about how it changes food in a bad way. Sorry I don't have > any handy links. Certainly there is some info on Dr. Mercola's > website. Also, a school student did an experiment in which two > identical potted plants were watered the same amount on the same > schedule - only one plant was given (cooled down) water that had been > brought to a boil in a microwave. Guess which plant shriveled up and > died? > > Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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