Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Hi, I live in East Tennessee USA and I don't have a car but I'd like to be treated over the internet if possible. I want to know if I have damp heat, dryness, or what I have. I've had Hep C for 25+ years and recently I started taking Ecliptex Herbs by Health Concerns. I eat 100% whole foods, many organic, but I think I've been eating the wrong foods, or too much of certain foods. I seem unbalanced. I've been eating 4 oz a day of red meat, 4 oz. of poultry, and 3 eggs a day. I think I should eat more legumes and grains. I found some good info at Acupuncture.com but I need to find out what condition I have. I do seem to feel a little better without dairy products. Is there any place I can be treated over the net? There is a local acupuncturist that I may go back to see again soon. Thank you in advance for any info. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Joe: Probably not a good idea to find treatment over the net. If you have a local acupuncturist, go see her or him. You can do your best to educate yourself over the net about your condition. This group is a great place to get started. The more you know about this medicine, the more you can take responsibility for your own health. Kind regards, Jack --- Joe <joe525us wrote: > Hi, > > I live in East Tennessee USA and I don't have a car > but I'd like to be > treated over the internet if possible. I want to > know if I have damp > heat, dryness, or what I have. > > I've had Hep C for 25+ years and recently I started > taking Ecliptex > Herbs by Health Concerns. I eat 100% whole foods, > many organic, but I > think I've been eating the wrong foods, or too much > of certain foods. > I seem unbalanced. I've been eating 4 oz a day of > red meat, 4 oz. of > poultry, and 3 eggs a day. I think I should eat more > legumes and grains. > > I found some good info at Acupuncture.com but I need > to find out what > condition I have. I do seem to feel a little better > without dairy > products. > > Is there any place I can be treated over the net? > There is a local acupuncturist that I may go back to > see again soon. > > Thank you in advance for any info. > > J > > ______________________________\ ____ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Hi Jack, THe acupuncturist doesn't know much about how to treat heat other than tell me to take chrysanthemum and peppermint teas. I was OK until I started drinking lots of cayenne pepper tea. I had been taking a 45 minute infrared sauna every morning and was sweating a lot. I had to stop them due to too much heat. I have a weird body chemistry. The Ecliptex and most herbs are alkalizing, and I have a history of low stomach acid output so right now I have to avoid most fruits and veggioes due to my alkalinity. Thank you. Joe Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote: > > Joe: > > Probably not a good idea to find treatment over the > net. If you have a local acupuncturist, go see her or > him. > > You can do your best to educate yourself over the net > about your condition. This group is a great place to > get started. > > The more you know about this medicine, the more you > can take responsibility for your own health. > > Kind regards, Jack > > --- Joe <joe525us wrote: > > > Hi, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 " Joe " <joe525us wrote: <snip> > I was OK until I started drinking lots of cayenne pepper tea. Whose idea was that? > I had been taking a 45 minute infrared sauna every morning > and was sweating a lot. I had to stop them due to too much heat. Whose idea was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Joe " <joe525us wrote: > > Hi Jack, > > THe acupuncturist doesn't know much about how to treat heat other than > tell me to take chrysanthemum and peppermint teas. Is this a TCM acupuncturist? Not all acupuncturists are TCM acupuncturists. What makes TCM TCM is the diagnosis and treatment of underlying TCM imbalances. Things like Qi Deficiency, Qi Stagnation, Kidneys Refusing to Receive Qi, Blood Deficiency, etc. (Readers who are new to TCM, don't worry about knowing what these things are. I just wanted to give you an idea of how different TCM is from Western allopathic medicine.) One can get very good results with " cookbook " acupuncture. At least up to a point. " Cookbook " acupuncture refers to using the same points for every individual diagnosed with a specific Western diagnosis. The problem is that individuals can have the same Western- defined medical condition but have very different underlying TCM imbalances. Because of this, what helps one person with say peptic ulcers may do nothing for a second and could even make a third person with peptic ulcers sicker. The underlying TCM imbalances are different. There are acupoints which will release Heat. You cannot be properly diagnosed over the Internet. If anyone tells you they can, they don't know much about TCM or they're scamming you. The only thing that people on this list can do is to raise possibilities for you and your healer to research further. From the time you walk in the door in person, a TCM healer is noticing things about you and starting to analyze. How strong or weak is your walk? Fast or slow? The same for your voice and speech. Are there any unusual skin tones? Etc. This kind of observation can't be done over the Internet. Then there is the matter of the tongue and pulse diagnoses. All proper TCM examinations will include a tongue diagnosis and a pulse diagnosis. Readers on a list can be taught to recognize some of the more outstanding things to look for. If the tongue is deep scarlet that's obviously Heat, and a pale or blue tongue obviously is Cold. But at what point is a light red tongue no longer light red and normal but a sign of Heat? That can't be taught over the Internet. Photos of tongues no matter how good do not convey what an examination in person reveals. A proper TCM pulse diagnosis will check a minimum of 12 pulses. The TCM healer will place 3 fingers on both of your wrists at the same time. This is 6 of the 12 pulses. After getting that reading, the healer will apply more pressure. That's the other 6 readings. Again, some of the more obvious things - like fast or slow - can be taught on the Internet, but most cannot. > I was OK until I started drinking lots of cayenne pepper tea. I had > been taking a 45 minute infrared sauna every morning and was sweating > a lot. I had to stop them due to too much heat. Both of these will deplete Qi. Now I don't want you rushing out to buy a Qi tonic herb or formula. All I'm doing is pointing out what they can do. You need a proper TCM examination to determine if you're Qi Deficient. More important, a proper TCM examination involves identifying ALL the imbalances the person has, and as much as possible treating them all at the same time. This is so treatment for one thing won't aggravate other imbalances. A good example is administering a Qi tonic herb or formula to a person who also has Qi Stagnation. It's like forcing water into a hose with a kink in it without first removing the kink. An herb (or herbs) for Moving Qi also needs to be in the formula. And the relative strength of both imbalances have to be judged. Don't administer enough Moving Qi herbs, and there still is going to be Qi Stagnation problems. Administer too many, and they too will scatter and deplete Qi. The treatment of infections - both acute and chronic - is very different in TCM than in allopathic medicine. For one thing, TCM recognizes in a way that allopathic medicine does not that infections have stages or levels, and the person can cycle back and forth among these stages or levels. Inducing sweating is the proper treatment for some of these stages or levels, but can make the person sicker if used in another stage or level. The treatment is going to vary based on what stage or level the person is experiencing. TCM also takes into account the problems that treatment can cause. For example, there are three stages that are characterized by Heat. But if treatment is too vigorous with Cold herbs and drugs, this can make the person sicker by causing the person to enter the Cold stages. (Antibiotics have a cooling effect on the body.) For readers wishing to learn more about this, research the Six- Stages of Cold Induced Illnesses and the Four Levels of Virulent Heat Evils. Additional info on infrared therapy: When used properly in both an allopathic and a TCM sense, it can help some individuals. BUT, there are some individuals in whom exposure to infrared - be it the sun or heat lamps - will cause tiny blood vessels to spasm, and this creates problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " hyldemoer " <hyldemoer wrote: > > " Joe " <joe525us@> wrote: > <snip> > > I was OK until I started drinking lots of cayenne pepper tea. > > Whose idea was that? > > > I had been taking a 45 minute infrared sauna every morning > > and was sweating a lot. I had to stop them due to too much heat. > > Whose idea was that? > I got the idea of saunas from http://drlwilson.com Cayenne from the net. It was stimulating at first, then I got too hot and still am, and it's been 17 months since I drank it. I thought it may have been Hep C that made it worse but I'm not sure as I now take herbs for it. I believe I have a yin/yang imbalance. I also get too alkaline from the herbs or some reason, so I have to eat mostly grains and animal proteins (acid) foods right now, which are heating. If I don't I'll get too alkaline and that will make me really tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Victoria, Thank you for your reply. I still have not fouind a TCM practitioner. The acupuncturist is not a TCM healer, she only believes in it. http://healthconcerns.com may help me, I'm not sure. There are none in 37604 in TN. I have to find another on in TN somehow, some way. Thank you. I'll report back later. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Joe, my point is, you're grasping at things in the dark. Unless you have an accurate assessment of what is really going on there's a major possibility that you could very well be making things worse by all your self-medication. Telling us you have Hep C tells us nothing. That's a name put on a symptom by Western Medicine. What does your tongue look like? What is your pulse like? How do you hold your body? What's your tone, speed, volume of voice? And those questions are just a beginning. After you see a TCM practitioner and get an assessment, come back if you want to discuss their recommended plan of treatment. Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Joseph " <joe525us wrote: > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " hyldemoer " <hyldemoer@> wrote: > > > > " Joe " <joe525us@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > I was OK until I started drinking lots of cayenne pepper tea. > > > > Whose idea was that? > > > > > I had been taking a 45 minute infrared sauna every morning > > > and was sweating a lot. I had to stop them due to too much heat. > > > > Whose idea was that? > > > > I got the idea of saunas from http://drlwilson.com > > Cayenne from the net. It was stimulating at first, then I got too hot > and still am, and it's been 17 months since I drank it. I thought it > may have been Hep C that made it worse but I'm not sure as I now take > herbs for it. I believe I have a yin/yang imbalance. > > I also get too alkaline from the herbs or some reason, so I have to > eat mostly grains and animal proteins (acid) foods right now, which > are heating. If I don't I'll get too alkaline and that will make me > really tired. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Joseph " <joe525us wrote: > > Victoria, > > Thank you for your reply. > > I still have not fouind a TCM practitioner. The acupuncturist is not a > TCM healer, she only believes in it. > > http://healthconcerns.com may help me, I'm not sure. There are none in > 37604 in TN. I have to find another on in TN somehow, some way. > > Thank you. I'll report back later. > > Joe > Tuanzhu Ha 1025 Estate Drive Johnson City, TN 37604 Phone: 423-915-0467 li is in the same zipcode as you mentioned... I don't know if this is who you are seeing or not. Patricia Ann Danda New Paradigms Health Care 113 East Unaka Avenue Johnson City, TN 37601 Phone: 423-928-9394 is in the same city Liliane Papin Ph.D., DOM, L.Ac. 25.16 miles Kwan Yin Medicine PO Box 790 Mars Hill, NC 28754 Phone: 828-689-1669 is a full chinese Dr around 25 miles away from the zip you gave Samuel Fitzpatrick Jr. Holston Valley Clin. of O.M. Suite 1 202 West Ravine Kingsport, TN 37660 Phone: 423-230-0005 hvcom I don't know how far this Dr is from you (from the zipcode math I get about 19 miles) Julia M. Thie 4229 Fort Henry Drive Kingsport, TN 37663 Phone: 423-239-7044 info With this one I get about 12 miles (from www.zipmath.com) away from the zipcode you gave. Hopefully one of those are within the distance you can travel =) Good luck! =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Thanks a lot for this info. It's a good sized city here, so I thought there must be one in this area. I'll copy this reply and contact these people. Pat Danda is the lady acupuncturist I saw before and I plan to return to again, maybe soon. Her office is only a mile or so from here. Kingsport also is not too far from here. One of these should work out. Best regasrds, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Joe, Like Victoria mentioned, it's not possible to make a proper diagnosis over the Internet. However, I can mention a little bit about Heat. TCM uses the differentiation of patterns. This means that you look at the symptoms and try to find the pattern most probable. One of the fundamentals is dividing symptoms according to Yin and Yang. Where Yang is activity and function, heat (and a lot more), and Yin stands for inactivity, storage, cold (and a lot more). yin and yang should be in balance. There are 4 patterns from inbalanced Yin/Yang, these are: Excess yang Excess yin Deficient yang Deficient yin About heat.... deficient yin shows in symptoms as relative excess yang, because here the part of yang is more than the part of yin. the symptom can be heat, red tounge, yellow coating of tongue, sweeting (wich looses yin), rapid pulse, dry stools, yellow urine, small amount of urine and so one. In the case of deficiency-heat (that is heat symptoms from deficency of yin) the symptoms are less severe than the excess case, the coating may be missing, the tounge may be thin, the pulse may be floating. The two cases need different treatment, in the excess case yo would need to disperse yang, in the deficency case you would need to nourish yin. From this small example you can see the importance to get the proper diagnose, if you treat in the wrong way you may worsen the problem, cayenpepper is a spice of hot nature and spreads Qi, this means that if you have heat you add on even more heat and also spread Qi, more heat means that the heat will consume fluids (yin) and that will lead to deficeincy of yin and relativity of more yang with more heat. And more is that some say that cayenne- and chilipepper should not be used in the case of hepatitis. Sauna has the same effect, it gives more yang and heat, you sweat and looses fluids which leads to more deficiency of yin, and relatively more yang and heat symptoms. So as yo see, if you have heat, you shold not get more heat. you need to cool and perhaps build yin, with stuff like vegetabels, fruits. But don't take his as a diagnose, just a source to a little bit more understanding about the complexity of problems. Regards Peter Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Joseph " <joe525us wrote: > > Victoria, > > Thank you for your reply. > > I still have not fouind a TCM practitioner. The acupuncturist is not a > TCM healer, she only believes in it. > > http://healthconcerns.com may help me, I'm not sure. There are none in > 37604 in TN. I have to find another on in TN somehow, some way. > > Thank you. I'll report back later. > > Joe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 I just want to emphasize this because it illustrates so well the importance of a correct diagnosis. Chinese Traditional Medicine , " pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd wrote: > There are 4 patterns from inbalanced Yin/Yang, these are: > Excess yang > Excess yin > Deficient yang > Deficient yin > > About heat.... > deficient yin shows in symptoms as relative excess yang, because here > the part of yang is more than the part of yin. > > the symptom can be heat, red tounge, yellow coating of tongue, sweeting > (wich looses yin), rapid pulse, dry stools, yellow urine, small amount > of urine and so one. > > In the case of deficiency-heat (that is heat symptoms from deficency of > yin) the symptoms are less severe than the excess case, the coating may > be missing, the tounge may be thin, the pulse may be floating. > > The two cases need different treatment, in the excess case yo would > need to disperse yang, in the deficency case you would need to nourish > yin. > > From this small example you can see the importance to get the proper > diagnose, if you treat in the wrong way you may worsen the problem, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Thank you for the info Peter. THe liver herbs I'm taking are very alkaline and therefore I cannot eat many alkaline foods. I now have to eat mostly animal proteins and grains, as they are acid forming. I can eat blueberries, cranberries, and tomatoes, as they are all acid forming. I know that some grains and animal proteins are heating but I have to take the liver herbs (Ecliptex) because it's helping my Hep C. It will be interesting to see what the TCM healer says when I hook up with one. I can now see that sauna and cayenne are probably not a good thing. I seemed OK with the saunas - until I got into cayenne tea. More later. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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