Liver-Blood

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I was very interested to read about the Ethereal soul and it's relation to

Liver-Blood imbalances. I understand that in TCM specific organs don't directly

correspond to anatomical organs however I was hoping someone could clarify the

relation the Liver governs over the blood and it's interplay with hormones.

Because the liver has so many metabloic functions and the Liver also houses the

Shen it's state is pertinent for optimal health in an individual.

I’ve been ammenoric for nearly 3 years; I feel the hormonal imbalances are due

to the liver’s inability to work efficiently. Some physiological symptoms

(which were present before the ammenoric condition, but not as exaggerated) I

have experienced are: cold extremities, low blood pressure, fatigue, and faint

breathing.

Emotionally, I tend to feel fearful and withdrawn. This is where the Ethereal

soul part comes in as well. Naturally, as an optomist, I project and plan for

the future, however, I feel this condition has largely curbed my natural

tendencies to listlessness, fatigue, and the in ability to concentrate. In the

past, acupuncturists and herbalists have mention there is also a low volume of

blood in combination with stagnation. There obviously is no simple answer here,

but perhaps if you could mention any additional info on what maybe effective in

clearing Liver-Blood symptoms.

As far as TCM is concerned, how well do ionic foot treatment baths align qi in

the body? I have heard these ionic units do a great deal for clearing/purging

certain toxins from the body through positive and negative ion exchange, and

especially for the liver and kidneys...Does this automatically remove stagnant

blockages by default, sort of like a general tonic for the entire system? Are

there any negative side effects from the TCM standpoint to these machines?

 

Sophia

 

 

 

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BSD

Dear Sophia.

Amenorrhea,Cold extremities, SOB (shortness of breath), respiration

diffiulties, palpitations, fatigue, loss of hair, changes in finger nails, mood

swings,can also be related in addition to liver imbalance, to spleen/panreas

deficiency, hormonal/endocrine imbalances It would be good to check your basal

temperature (with a merury thermometer), 3-5 mornings in a row. Shake the

thermometer down at night before the first check in the next morning). Upon

awaking, do not get out of bed, do not take your covers off, just slip your arm

out of the covers and place the thermometer under your arm pit and leave for 10

minutes. Record the temperatures. Let me know the results and I will explain

after you report the temperatures.

Tikva Cohen M.S.,.C.O.A.

 

Sophia Gonty <sophiagonty wrote:

I was very interested to read about the Ethereal soul and it's

relation to Liver-Blood imbalances. I understand that in TCM specific organs

don't directly correspond to anatomical organs however I was hoping someone

could clarify the relation the Liver governs over the blood and it's interplay

with hormones. Because the liver has so many metabloic functions and the Liver

also houses the Shen it's state is pertinent for optimal health in an

individual.

I’ve been ammenoric for nearly 3 years; I feel the hormonal imbalances are due

to the liver’s inability to work efficiently. Some physiological symptoms (which

were present before the ammenoric condition, but not as exaggerated) I have

experienced are: cold extremities, low blood pressure, fatigue, and faint

breathing.

Emotionally, I tend to feel fearful and withdrawn. This is where the Ethereal

soul part comes in as well. Naturally, as an optomist, I project and plan for

the future, however, I feel this condition has largely curbed my natural

tendencies to listlessness, fatigue, and the in ability to concentrate. In the

past, acupuncturists and herbalists have mention there is also a low volume of

blood in combination with stagnation. There obviously is no simple answer here,

but perhaps if you could mention any additional info on what maybe effective in

clearing Liver-Blood symptoms.

As far as TCM is concerned, how well do ionic foot treatment baths align qi in

the body? I have heard these ionic units do a great deal for clearing/purging

certain toxins from the body through positive and negative ion exchange, and

especially for the liver and kidneys...Does this automatically remove stagnant

blockages by default, sort of like a general tonic for the entire system? Are

there any negative side effects from the TCM standpoint to these machines?

 

Sophia

 

 

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The Shen (Mind/ Spirit) " resides " in the Heart. The Hun (Ethereal

Soul) " resides " in the Liver. Both are " anchored " in the Blood.

 

The two Organs most affected by Blood Deficiency are the Liver and the

Heart. The general description one reads of Blood Deficiency actually

is a composite of the symptoms of both Liver Blood Deficiency and

Heart Blood Deficiency.

 

I'll do some separate, detailed posts on the two.

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , Sophia Gonty

<sophiagonty wrote:

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> I've been ammenoric for nearly 3 years; I feel the hormonal

imbalances are due to the liver's inability to work efficiently.

Some physiological symptoms (which were present before the ammenoric

condition, but not as exaggerated) I have experienced are: cold

extremities, low blood pressure, fatigue, and faint breathing.

 

These also can be symptoms of adrenal insufficiency. In TCM, many of

the functions of the adrenal glands fall within the Kidney Organ. In

fact, many glandular functions are under the category of Kidneys.

There have been some recent posts on adrenal insufficiency.

 

> Emotionally, I tend to feel fearful and withdrawn. This is where

the Ethereal soul part comes in as well.

 

This also can be a symptom of adrenal insufficiency. And a symptom

of Kidney imblance. In TCM each Organ is particularly vulnerable to

one or more emotions, and once imbalance occurs, the person is going

to be more inclined to feel that emotion than before. The Kidneys

are especially vulnerable to fear and fright.

 

The fear associated with the Ethereal Soul not being

properly " anchored " in sufficient Liver Blood has to do with a fear

of going to sleep or to bed. The fear associated with Kidney

imbalance can occur any time but may be most noticable when the

temperature drops. The reason for this is that the Kidneys also are

especially vulnerable to Cold. Cold further weakens the Kidneys and

worsens any Kidney imbalances. If the person suffers from Kidney

Yang imbalance, this can be especially noticable because Cold also

attacks Yang.

 

In a lot of texts where they talk about Kidney Yang Deficiency,

invasion by Cold, and other Cold conditions, you'll see the

symptom " fear of cold " . This generally is taken to mean that the

person has realized that s/he is bothered by cold and dreads it. It

can mean just this, but it also can mean an actual fear of cold

and/or episodes of fear corresponding to when the temperature

drops. I remember one spring as the weather would warm up some and

then cool back down, every time it got colder, I felt fearful. The

previous winter I had felt fearful a lot. Once an imbalance has

occured from whatever cause, the person is going to be more prone to

feeling the emotion(s) associated with that Organ.

 

> As far as TCM is concerned, how well do ionic foot treatment

baths align qi in the body?

 

Sorry, but I'm unfamiliar with ionic foot treatment. Hopefully

someone else on here is familiar with them.

 

I want to give some additional information on TCM in general and

Liver imbalances in particular. One concept that is very important

to analyzing in TCM is that of Deficiency and Excess. In general,

Deficiency problems are those caused by there not being enough of

something the person needs, and Excess problems are caused by there

being too much of something.

 

The Liver can suffer from both Deficiency and Excess conditions.

Liver Blood Deficiency and Liver Yin Defiency are Deficiency

problems. There's not enough Blood and Yin. Liver Qi Stagnation

and Blood Stasis are classified as Excess problems because any

Stagnation or Stasis is too much. A condition like Liver Yang Rising

is both Excess and Deficiency. The " Liver Yang Rising " is Excess,

but this condition can only take place if Liver Yin Deficiency is

present and thus, Liver Yin can't " control " Liver Yang.

 

Because TCM and Western allopathic medicine organize information

about the body so differently, the points of intersection can be

very murky to say the least. In the West the emphasis is on the

actual anatomical organ. On the other hand, TCM Organs are

collections of functions that occur together. For example, from an

anatomical standpoint, it's the spleen that stores blood. But TCM

talks about the Liver Storing Blood. In other words, a function of

the anatomical spleen may actually be under the control of the

System known as the Liver in TCM. Furthermore, a function of the

anatomical spleen may actually be under the control of the

anatomical liver. This is just speculation at this point, but there

are examples in anatomy and physiology of one thing in the body

being under the control of another. A good example is the endocrine

glandular system. It's the pituitary gland that tells the thyroid,

adrenals, etc. to produce or stop producing certain hormones. And

it's a part of the brain called the hypothalmus that tells the

pituitary what to do. (I'm simplifying things a lot here.)

 

You're thinking primarily in terms of anatomical functions of the

liver. This is going to block you for a while from seeing the entire

TCM perspective. The liver may not be working efficiently because of

a Liver imbalance, but it also may not be working efficiently

because of a Kidney or Spleen imbalance. Or in some cases a Lung

imbalance or even a Heart imbalance.

 

5 Element Theory goes into detail about how the Organs influence

each other. I'll go into some brief examples here. The Kidneys are

the " Mother " of the Liver. In other words, if the Kidneys don't have

something to give, the Liver isn't going to get it. A very common

example is the frequency with which Kidney Yin Deficiency and Liver

Yin Deficiency occur together. If the Kidneys don't have enough Yin

to supply, the Liver isn't going to get enough Yin. The " Mother-Son "

relationship is a generating cycle. In these cases treating

the " Mother " automatically treats the " Son " because the Mother now

has enough to give. (Or is no longer giving too much as can be the

case in other Mother-Son relationships.)

 

Another 5 Elements relationship is of " Victor-Vanquished " . This is

a control relationship. The Liver is the Victor, and the Spleen is

the Vanquished. The Liver controls the Spleen. If the Liver gets

too " strong " this can cause the Spleen to get too weak.

 

Sometimes the reverse takes place, and the Vanquished will end up

controlling the Victor. This is referred to as " Spleen Insulting

Liver " . (Actually Earth Insulting Wood.)

 

The Lungs are Victor in relationship to the Liver. The Heart is

the " Son " of the Liver. Sometimes a condition occurs in which

the " Son Robs the Mother " . The " Son " is taking too much of

something from the " Mother " .

 

From what you've mentioned so far, I'm curious about the state of

the Kidneys. Also the Spleen.