Polycythemia Vera

November 16, 2006

Hi all and Bob Linde.

A friend of mine, acupunctor, is suffering from polycythemia vera. His signs and

symptons are related with Heat and Dryness, with red tong and a big (da mai) and

flooding pulse ( hong mai). I found this text below on " ilib " , and made a

translation by web. If any of u can give me a hint about the kind of herb/diet

which is on the text below, I'd be glad !

If u have any experience trating this disease, please share your finds.

Tks, Roberta

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The goal appraised é’é»› does toad Pi Tang to treat the real red blood cell

increasing sickness curative effect The method real red blood cell increasing

sickness 3 examples, according to the Chinese medicine distinguishing sickness

method, are çƒæ¯’ mutually tie, the vitality stasis stagnates 3 the example

patient to stop using the western medicine and the bloodletting therapy, gives

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is 1 treatment course, altogether 1 ~ 2 treatment courses The result 3 examples

patients after treat 1 ~ 2 treatment courses red blood cells to fall to the

normal 2 example stop the medicine half year reexamination hemoglobin in the

normal range The conclusion é’é»› does toad Pi Tang with to govern real red

blood cell increasing sickness to have the obvious curative effect, and the

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November 16, 2006

I had the symptoms of polycythemia vera (too many red blood cells).

Two things you want to rule out as possible etiology factors are

living at high altitude and B12 shots. Either of these can trigger the

production of too many red blood cells.

Massage definitely can help in many of these cases. Gently check along

the spine to see if there are any sore spots. If these are rubbed

gently until the soreness is gone (or at least lessened), it can help

some of the symptoms.

Your friend will need to stay well-hydrated. This also cuts down on

symptoms.

The majority of polycythema vera cases have Heat Roots. Mine didn't.

The TCM herbalist I saw regarded it as a manifestation of Blood

Deficiency.

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Roberta Blanco "

<robertablanco wrote:

>

> Hi all and Bob Linde.

> A friend of mine, acupunctor, is suffering from polycythemia vera.

His signs and symptons are related with Heat and Dryness, with red

tong and a big (da mai) and flooding pulse ( hong mai). I found this

text below on " ilib " , and made a translation by web. If any of u can

give me a hint about the kind of herb/diet which is on the text below,

I'd be glad !

> If u have any experience trating this disease, please share your

finds.

> Tks, Roberta

>

> http://scholar.ilib.cn/Abstract.aspx?A=zgzryxzz200101033

November 16, 2006

Hi, Roberta:

This passage does not mention diet specifically, but

discusses Dried Toad Skin Soup as a Chinese remedy for

Polycythemia Vera.

If you'd like, I have translated the passage into

English. This mostly discusses clinical results of not

using Western medicine but using this Dried Toad Skin

Soup instead.

Kind regards, Jack

--- Roberta Blanco <robertablanco

wrote:

>

> Hi all and Bob Linde.

> A friend of mine, acupunctor, is suffering from

> polycythemia vera. His signs and symptons are

> related with Heat and Dryness, with red tong and a

> big (da mai) and flooding pulse ( hong mai). I found

> this text below on " ilib " , and made a translation by

> web. If any of u can give me a hint about the kind

> of herb/diet which is on the text below, I'd be glad

> !

> If u have any experience trating this disease,

> please share your finds.

> Tks, Roberta

>

http://scholar.ilib.cn/Abstract.aspx?A=zgzryxzz200101033

>

> çœŸæ€§çº¢ç»†èƒžå¢žå¤šç—‡æ²»éªŒ3ä¾‹

> Experience in the treatment of polycythemia vera

> 2001å¹´01æœŸ

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> Real red blood cell increasing sickness governs

> examines 3 examples Experience in the treatment of

> polycythemia vera in 2001 when 01 issue of shells

> England The goal appraised é’é»› does toad Pi Tang

> to treat the real red blood cell increasing sickness

> curative effect The method real red blood cell

> increasing sickness 3 examples, according to the

> Chinese medicine distinguishing sickness method, are

> çƒæ¯’ mutually tie, the vitality stasis stagnates 3

> the example patient to stop using the western

> medicine and the bloodletting therapy, gives é’é»›

> does the toad skin soup every day 1 medicinal

> preparation to treat,30 day is 1 treatment course,

> altogether 1 ~ 2 treatment courses The result 3

> examples patients after treat 1 ~ 2 treatment

> courses red blood cells to fall to the normal 2

> example stop the medicine half year reexamination

> hemoglobin in the normal range The conclusion é’é»›

> does toad Pi Tang with to govern real red blood cell

> increasing sickness to have the obvious curative

> effect, and the non-toxic side reaction occurs Key

> word: Real red blood cell increasing sickness, the

> Chinese native medicine, invigorates the blood

> åŒ–ç˜€, alleviates fever the disintoxicating, anti-

> tumor

> Terapias Orientais

> www.robertablanco.com.br

> www.craerj.org.br

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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November 16, 2006

I want to pass on some controversial info on polycythemia vera.

It's controversial because the source is the psychic Edgar Cayce who

gave readings for 4 people with polycythemia vera.

The following is taken from Edgar Cayce Encyclopedia of Healing by

Reba Ann Karp. My comments are in parentheses.

" Polycythemia is characterized by greatly increased red cell values

and an increase in total red mass. Symptoms may include a dusky

redness on the lips, fingernails, and mucous membranes, headache,

mental vagueness, loss of hearing, itching, and pain in toes and

fingernails.

" Edgar Cayce gave one reading each for four individuals with

polycythemia vera, who ranged in age from eleven to sixty-five

years. The most consistent causal factor noted by Cayce was poor

assimilation, which was mentioned in three cases. For two

individuals, this involved excessive activity of the pancreas.

Other contributing factors cited included nervous incoordination,

glandular imbalance, and poor circulation.

Cayce's main treatments for this condition were dietary

recommendations and herbal tonics, each mentioned in three

instances. In diet, fruits, vegetables, and small amounts of

protein sources were recommended, while sugar and starchy foods were

to be avoided. " (He's talking about a more alkaline diet.) " In one

case, a diet of fruit juices and water was suggested to replace the

lost plasma and lower the red blood cell count. To help purify the

system and build the blood supply, various tonics were suggested.

Electrotherapy received two recommendations. " (It's interesting that

Cayce saw the blood as needing to be built. In this he mirrors the

TCM herbalist I saw who saw the excessive number of red blood cells

in my case as Blood Deficiency. (This won't always be the case with

polycythemia vera.) Many Westerners tend to think of Blood

Deficiency solely as anemia, but this isn't always the case. The

Western blood tests can be normal or as in my case, there can even

be too many red blood cells. It's the quality of the Blood/ blood

that counts. From a TCM viewpoint, is the Blood adequately

moistening and nourishing the tissues?)

" Two follow-up reports were received from individuals receiving

readings on polycythemia; one noted beneficial results, and the

other reported she didn't follow her reading.

" The one reporting beneficial results was that of case 674, an

eleven-year-old boy who received one reading for the illness.

According to Cayce, an injury to the dorsal area of the spine had

produced a subluxation that caused the pancreas to become

overactive. The liver subsequently became sluggish and the kidneys

overactive, resulting in the high red blood cell count.

" To correct the disturbance in the pancrease and normalize the

blood, two herbal tonics were prescribed. One was a typical version

of clary water, and the other contained burdok root, tincture of

stillingia, ragweed, honey, and alcohol.

" Also recommended were spinal manipulations to be administered twice

a week for three to four weeks, with special focus on the dorsal

area. Following a one-week rest period, the adjustments were to

continue for another few weeks, followed by another rest period and

then further threatments.

" The boy's diet was to include citrus fruit or cereal at breakfast "

(but not both at the same meal), " raw vegetables at lunch, and

cooked vegetables with fish, fowl, or lamb at dinner. Sugar and

highly starchy foods were to be avoided.

" Beneficial results were noted after the boy followed the treatments

for one month. " (pp. 369-370.)

" (A)subluxation that caused the pancreas to become overactive. The

liver subsequently became sluggish and the kidneys overactive,

resulting in the high red blood cell count. " From a TCM standpoint,

what he's describing is Liver Depression with resulting Qi

Stagnation. The " dusky " redness described in the opening paragraph

also can be a symptom of Qi Stagnation. I've seen some TCM writers

describe a " dusky " hue to the tissues in cases of Qi Stagnation.

In TCM the Spleen includes many of the functions of the pancreas.

Some Western writers even refer to this Organ as the Spleen-

Pancreas. From a TCM 5 Elements perspective, the sequence of an

overactive pancreas (Spleen) triggering a sluggish liver (Liver) may

be a case of Earth (Spleen) Insulting Wood (Liver). If so, 5 Element

Theory will give insights into which acupoints to work.

But the kidneys also are involved. Please keep in mind that in 5

Element Theory the Kidneys exist in the same relationship to the

Spleen as the Spleen does to the Liver. Giovanni Maciocia describes

Water (Kidneys) Insulting Earth (Spleen) as corresponding " to Spleen

and Kidney Yang deficiency. " (The Foundations of ,

p. 305 (1st. ed.).) One of the possible manifestations of Kidney

Yang Deficiency can be that the person urinates a lot. Liquids may

go right through the person. Needless to say, in some cases this can

result in low blood volume which raises the ratio of red blood cells

to liquid blood even higher.

It can be important to differenciate between normal and subnormal

blood volume in polycythemia vera. In some cases the blood volume

will be normal. In other cases, the number of red blood cells in a

cubic measurement of blood will be higher in a dehydrated person

than in a person who is well hydrated. Thus the importance of

drinking enough liquids. BUT retaining the liquids can be a problem

if Kidney Yang Deficiency is present and/or an injury to or

misalignment of the spine is triggering excessive urination. This is

where seeing a chiropractor or D.O. or just massaging the sore point

out (if possible) is very important. It can cut down on the

frequency and volume of urination. Cayce mentioned a problem in the

dorsal area of the spine. There can be more than one sore spot and

injury or misalignment in some of these cases.

The symptoms that Karp lists for polycythemia vera are some of the

relatively mild symptoms. In time, breathing problems can result

because the blood is so thick that gases can't be exchanged.

The " dusky " coloration gives way to a bluish discoloration because

of this. This is a potentially fatal disorder. At the time I was

researching this back in the 1990s, what allopathic medicine had to

offer was less than satisfactory to put it mildly. This is one of

those conditions that you definitely want to read up on from both an

allopathic and alternative standpoint.

I want to go into some more detail about why Cayce meant either/or

when it comes to citrus and cereal at breakfast and not both at the

same meal. One thing that Cayce stressed over and over was that

cereal and citrus are not to be eaten at the same meal. Citrus is

acidic,BUT when taken by itself will trigger an alkaline reaction.

But if you eat it with cereal or any grain product, an acidic

reaction will be triggered. The diet that he recommended for

polycythemia vera (and quite a few things) is an alkaline-reacting

diet.

Like TCM, Cayce recognized that the etiology of polycythemia vera

can differ from individual to individual. Like in the case of TCM,

Cayce's suggestions were individualized.

I believe that interested readers can contact the A.R.E. in Virginia

Beach, VA (US) for additional info on all 4 readings.

November 17, 2006

Roberta:

As far as Shui Zhi Tang, the first ingredient is leeches, which is a

blood-quickening, stasis - transforming medicinal.

You may read more about it by searching on

Hirudo seu Whitmania

for example, there is:

http://www.acupuncture.com/herbs/bloodstagn.htm

There is a good deal of information about this on the web, you may

want to read and decide whether this suits your friend.

Perhaps the beach at Rio will make it easier on his Heat and Dryness.

Kind regards, Jack

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Roberta Blanco "

<robertablanco wrote:

>

> Tks Victoria and Jack...

> yes, he lives in high altitude, but this week he is moving to a

place near the sea ( Rio de Janeiro). Maybe it help.

>

> Jack, What is Dried Toad Skin Soup?

> I've found another prescription at

http://alternativehealing.org/thrombocytosis.htm

> See what u think about it.

> Tks again, Roberta

>

> " Name of formula: shui zhi tang

>

> Usage: high pressure of the portal vein; increase of platelet

counts after splenectomy.

>

> Prescriptionï¹?

>

> shui zhi 18 g (smashed), meng chong 9 g, di bie chong 9 g,

>

> tao ren 9 g, dan pi 9 g, chi shao yao 15 g, large sheng di 15 g,

>

> sheng pu huang 15 g (wrapped), sheng wu ling zhi 15 g.

>

> Boil with water. Use as tea.

>

> Effectiveness:

>

> Among eighteen patients, ten of them showed that the platelet

count started to go down after 2 dosages, and three of them showed

that the platelet count started to go down after 3 dosages. "

>

> -

> Jack Sweeney

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:50 AM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Polycythemia Vera

>

> Hi, Roberta:

>

> This passage does not mention diet specifically, but

> discusses Dried Toad Skin Soup as a Chinese remedy for

> Polycythemia Vera.

>

> If you'd like, I have translated the passage into

> English. This mostly discusses clinical results of not

> using Western medicine but using this Dried Toad Skin

> Soup instead.

>

> Kind regards, Jack

>

> --- Roberta Blanco <robertablanco

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi all and Bob Linde.

> > A friend of mine, acupunctor, is suffering from

> > polycythemia vera. His signs and symptons are

> > related with Heat and Dryness, with red tong and a

> > big (da mai) and flooding pulse ( hong mai). I found

> > this text below on " ilib " , and made a translation by

> > web. If any of u can give me a hint about the kind

> > of herb/diet which is on the text below, I'd be glad

> > !

> > If u have any experience trating this disease,

> > please share your finds.

> > Tks, Roberta

> >

> http://scholar.ilib.cn/Abstract.aspx?A=zgzryxzz200101033

> >

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> > Real red blood cell increasing sickness governs

> > examines 3 examples Experience in the treatment of

> > polycythemia vera in 2001 when 01 issue of shells

> > to treat the real red blood cell increasing sickness

> > curative effect The method real red blood cell

> > increasing sickness 3 examples, according to the

> > Chinese medicine distinguishing sickness method, are

> > Ã§Æ'ÂÃ¦Â¯â€?mutually tie, the vitality stasis stagnates 3

> > the example patient to stop using the western

> does the toad skin soup every day 1 medicinal

> > preparation to treat,30 day is 1 treatment course,

> > altogether 1 ~ 2 treatment courses The result 3

> > examples patients after treat 1 ~ 2 treatment

> > courses red blood cells to fall to the normal 2

> > example stop the medicine half year reexamination

> > does toad Pi Tang with to govern real red blood cell

> > increasing sickness to have the obvious curative

> > effect, and the non-toxic side reaction occurs Key

> > word: Real red blood cell increasing sickness, the

> > Chinese native medicine, invigorates the blood

> > Ã¥Å'â€ " Ã§Ëœâ‚¬, alleviates fever the disintoxicating, anti-

> > tumor

> > Terapias Orientais

> > www.robertablanco.com.br

> > www.craerj.org.br

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

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