Chinese medication for tumor (Pituitary Tumor)

[Guest guest]

Hi all, wish you all well.

My name is Bobby. I am from Jakarta, Indonesia. I have questions about

chinese medicine especially for pituitary gland tumor and visual

improvements medications or methods.

 

I'm a patient suffering pituitary tumor called pituitary adenomas. I

want to ask is there alternative medication by reducing the size of

the gland and completely remove them after?

 

The pituuitary adenomas pressing my chiasm opticum causing visual loss

to my eyes. This condition called Bitemporal Hemianopia. A visual loss

on the outside part of the eyes. Are there any medication to promote

the improvement of the visual fields? Such a neuro stimulation using

accupuncture methods perhaps?

 

Modern medication suggest that i have a surgery for the tumor which i

cannot afford. Thank you for your best answer.

 

Bobby

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bobby;

 

Chinese medicine most likely does have methods for

addressing your tumor, not only herbal but including

acupuncture as well.

 

There are a wide number of " lesser known " acupoints

around the eyes useful for adjusting eye problems.

These acupoints are not among the standard points

taught under TCM but are found in medical literature

going back over hundreds of years.

 

I'd be happy to do some research for herbal medicines

for your tumor.

 

At the same time, do you have a good practitioner

available that you can afford, should these methods

prove available? It is important to have a good

practitioner who could implement these methods. If it

became necessary to use acupoints near the eyes, you

would need to find a very skilled acupunturist.

 

Kind regards, Jack

 

 

 

--- shantonovianto <shantonovianto wrote:

 

> Hi all, wish you all well.

> My name is Bobby. I am from Jakarta, Indonesia. I

> have questions about

> chinese medicine especially for pituitary gland

> tumor and visual

> improvements medications or methods.

>

> I'm a patient suffering pituitary tumor called

> pituitary adenomas. I

> want to ask is there alternative medication by

> reducing the size of

> the gland and completely remove them after?

>

> The pituuitary adenomas pressing my chiasm opticum

> causing visual loss

> to my eyes. This condition called Bitemporal

> Hemianopia. A visual loss

> on the outside part of the eyes. Are there any

> medication to promote

> the improvement of the visual fields? Such a neuro

> stimulation using

> accupuncture methods perhaps?

>

> Modern medication suggest that i have a surgery for

> the tumor which i

> cannot afford. Thank you for your best answer.

>

> Bobby

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bobby:

 

Here is an example off the web of the type of

decoction you might be looking for.

 

http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/QPA.shtml

 

This seems to be the going rate for such formulas in

China, I'm paying about the same for my own use.

 

Of course, you must consult with a local practitioner

who can evaluate your specific condition and design

the formula specifically for you.

 

At the same time, there are a number of acupoints

around the eyes that might address your symptoms.

 

Whatever you decide, surgery should be your last

resort.

 

Kind regards, Jack

 

--- shantonovianto <shantonovianto wrote:

 

> Hi all, wish you all well.

> My name is Bobby. I am from Jakarta, Indonesia. I

> have questions about

> chinese medicine especially for pituitary gland

> tumor and visual

> improvements medications or methods.

>

> I'm a patient suffering pituitary tumor called

> pituitary adenomas. I

> want to ask is there alternative medication by

> reducing the size of

> the gland and completely remove them after?

>

> The pituuitary adenomas pressing my chiasm opticum

> causing visual loss

> to my eyes. This condition called Bitemporal

> Hemianopia. A visual loss

> on the outside part of the eyes. Are there any

> medication to promote

> the improvement of the visual fields? Such a neuro

> stimulation using

> accupuncture methods perhaps?

>

> Modern medication suggest that i have a surgery for

> the tumor which i

> cannot afford. Thank you for your best answer.

>

> Bobby

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jack

 

Thank you for your reference. Yes, there is practitioner in here. I

haven't seen them for consultation before. I will see them now and

consult about the medicine.

I have tried accupuncture before go to doctor. The accupuncturist say

that i should have the tumor removed before doing it in order to get

more succesful rate.

Thank you again for the reference.

 

Bobby

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy

wrote:

>

> Hi, Bobby:

>

> Here is an example off the web of the type of

> decoction you might be looking for.

>

> http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/QPA.shtml

>

> This seems to be the going rate for such formulas in

> China, I'm paying about the same for my own use.

>

> Of course, you must consult with a local practitioner

> who can evaluate your specific condition and design

> the formula specifically for you.

>

> At the same time, there are a number of acupoints

> around the eyes that might address your symptoms.

>

> Whatever you decide, surgery should be your last

> resort.

>

> Kind regards, Jack

[Guest guest]

> Thank you for your reference. Yes, there is practitioner

> in here. I haven't seen them for consultation before.

> I will see them now and consult about the medicine.

> I have tried accupuncture before go to doctor. The

> accupuncturist say that i should have the tumor

> removed before doing it in order to get more succesful

> rate.

 

Bobby,

I can think of two things;

1. Perhaps the accupuncturist you saw has malpractice insurance and has to say

what he

said to you or not be in compliance with the rules of the insurance company.

 

2. Perhaps the accupuncturist feels a TCM therapy to dissolve your pituitary

tumor would

take more time than you have, that the tumor is growing faster than his skill

with TCM

could deal with it.

There are instances were something can be beyond the scope of one's practice as

they

know it.

 

This isn't to say that there might be someone somewhere who could help you deal

with

your pituitary tumor before it compromises your health more.

 

How much time do you have to look?

 

If I or a member of my family were in your position I would probably try to hunt

for a

charitable organization that could help with the costs of the Western medical

surgery and,

as the accupuncturist you spoke to suggested, plan to integrate TCM into the pre

and post

surgical recovery.

[Guest guest]

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Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:27 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Chinese medication for tumor (Pituitary Tumor)

 

 

 

> Thank you for your reference. Yes, there is practitioner

> in here. I haven't seen them for consultation before.

> I will see them now and consult about the medicine.

> I have tried accupuncture before go to doctor. The

> accupuncturist say that i should have the tumor

> removed before doing it in order to get more succesful

> rate.

 

Bobby,

I can think of two things;

1. Perhaps the accupuncturist you saw has malpractice insurance and has to say

what he

said to you or not be in compliance with the rules of the insurance company.

 

2. Perhaps the accupuncturist feels a TCM therapy to dissolve your pituitary

tumor would

take more time than you have, that the tumor is growing faster than his skill

with TCM

could deal with it.

There are instances were something can be beyond the scope of one's practice

as they

know it.

 

This isn't to say that there might be someone somewhere who could help you

deal with

your pituitary tumor before it compromises your health more.

 

How much time do you have to look?

 

If I or a member of my family were in your position I would probably try to

hunt for a

charitable organization that could help with the costs of the Western medical

surgery and,

as the accupuncturist you spoke to suggested, plan to integrate TCM into the

pre and post

surgical recovery.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Today i went to a local practitioner as suggested. I have found all

the ingridients here but also facing some difficulties to identify the

pinyin name for them. Maybe somebody listed here could help me with.

 

1. Gekko Swinhoana Gunther

 

The herbalist ask me whether " Gekko Swinhoana Gunther " is " Kap

Kai/Geji " or else?

 

Thank you for the help.

 

Bobby

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy

wrote:

>

> Hi, Bobby:

>

> Here is an example off the web of the type of

> decoction you might be looking for.

>

> http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/QPA.shtml

>

> This seems to be the going rate for such formulas in

> China, I'm paying about the same for my own use.

>

> Of course, you must consult with a local practitioner

> who can evaluate your specific condition and design

> the formula specifically for you.

>

> At the same time, there are a number of acupoints

> around the eyes that might address your symptoms.

>

> Whatever you decide, surgery should be your last

> resort.

>

> Kind regards, Jack

>

> --- shantonovianto <shantonovianto wrote:

>

> > Hi all, wish you all well.

> > My name is Bobby. I am from Jakarta, Indonesia. I

> > have questions about

> > chinese medicine especially for pituitary gland

> > tumor and visual

> > improvements medications or methods.

> >

> > I'm a patient suffering pituitary tumor called

> > pituitary adenomas. I

> > want to ask is there alternative medication by

> > reducing the size of

> > the gland and completely remove them after?

> >

> > The pituuitary adenomas pressing my chiasm opticum

> > causing visual loss

> > to my eyes. This condition called Bitemporal

> > Hemianopia. A visual loss

> > on the outside part of the eyes. Are there any

> > medication to promote

> > the improvement of the visual fields? Such a neuro

> > stimulation using

> > accupuncture methods perhaps?

> >

> > Modern medication suggest that i have a surgery for

> > the tumor which i

> > cannot afford. Thank you for your best answer.

> >

> > Bobby

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pharmaceutical name: Gecko

Zoological name Gekko gecko

Pinyin: Ge Jie

 

Primary use: Yang tonic.

Taste: salty.

Thermal energy: Neutral. (Neither heats nor cools the body.) (Most

of the Yang tonic herbs have a warming effect on the body. It's

interesting that the herbalist chose one that doesn't have a warming

effect.)

 

Channels entered: Lung, Kidney (Names and properties info taken

from Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, Revised ed., Dan Bensky

and Andrew Gamble, p. 338.)

 

" Benefits the Kidneys and tonifies the Lungs: for Kidney and Lung

deficieny, when the Kidney is unable to grasp the qi, manifesting as

wheezing. Also used for consumptive cough or cough with blood-

streaked sputum.

 

" Assists the Kidney yang and augments the essene and blood: for

impotence, daybreak diarrhea, and urinary frequency from deficient

Kidney yang. " (p.338.)

 

The secondary properties of herbs always interest me. Why is a

particular herb (healing substance) chosen over others in a category

(or chosen along with others in the category)? Sometimes it's a

matter of the channels the herb/ healing substance has an affinity

for, in this case the Lungs and Kidneys. Compare this to fenugreek

seed (aka Hu Lu Ba) which is another Yang tonic herb but which

targets the Kidneys and Liver.

 

Often the herb (or herbs) chosen out of a particular class is a

matter of the herbs secondary properties and what the herb is

particularly good for helping. Gecko is particularly good for

Kidneys Refusing to Receive (Grasp) Qi. Kidneys Refusing to Receive

Qi is a special category of Kidney Yang Deficiency characterized by

exhalation being a lot easier than inhalation. In TCM physiology,

one of the functions of the Lungs is to cause Qi to descend. BUT the

Kidneys have to be strong enough to " receive " or " grasp " or hold

that Qi. When the Kidneys fail to grasp this Qi, the Qi accumulates

in the chest causing breathing problems, cough, more trouble

inhaling than exhaling, and a feeling of the chest being constricted.

 

Also note in particular that even though Gecko's primary

classification is as a Yang tonic herb, it has the secondary

property of augmenting Essence (Jing). This would be one of

the " herbs " to choose when there's Jing Deficiency in addition to

Yang Deficiency.

 

On the other hand, fenugreek has a secondary property of dispersing

Dampness and Cold. If an individual suffers from Dampness or Damp

Cold in addition to being Kidney Yang Deficiency, this is one of the

Yang tonic herbs to consider. ( " (F)or deficient Kidney yang patterns

accompanied by accumulation of cold or stagnant qi. " (p. 343.))

 

Because of genetic differences, life style, other imbalances, etc.,

there can be a wide range of manifestation of a particular

imbalance, in this case Kidney Yang Deficiency. Some individuals

will be particularly prone to developing Kidneys Refusing to Receive

Qi when they're Kidney Yang Deficient whereas others will not be. An

imbalance usually starts out with a few of its possible

manifestations - the ones the individual is most prone to develop

because of various factors. But the longer the imbalance goes

without treatment, the wider the range of manifestations in the

person.

 

Gecko is contraindicated " in patients with wheezying and coughing

from either externally-contracted wind-cold or excess heat. " (p.

338.) Fenugreek is contraindicated " for patients with either damp-

heat or heat from yin deficiency. " (p. 343.) It's for Dampness or

Damp Cold in addition to Kidney Yang Deficiency.

 

The TCM students on the list are encouraged to think of scenarios

where Gecko being one of the few Yang tonic herbs that doesn't have

a warming effect on the body would be desirable. I can think of one

off hand. The person is Kidney Yang Deficient and primarily Cold but

there is Heat in the Lungs. (Remember, Gecko has a special affinity

for ( " targets " ) the Lungs and Kidneys. There are other ways around

the problem of a person being primarily too Cold but having Heat in

the Lungs. This is one of the easiest ways around that particular

problem. Another scenario I can think of is that the formula already

is warm overall. The " average " of the herbs in combination is warm

and should be, but the formula as a whole should not be any warmer.

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " shantonovianto "

<shantonovianto wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Today i went to a local practitioner as suggested. I have found all

> the ingridients here but also facing some difficulties to identify

the

> pinyin name for them. Maybe somebody listed here could help me

with.

>

> 1. Gekko Swinhoana Gunther

>

> The herbalist ask me whether " Gekko Swinhoana Gunther " is " Kap

> Kai/Geji " or else?

>

> Thank you for the help.

>

> Bobby

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, Bobby:

> >

> > Here is an example off the web of the type of

> > decoction you might be looking for.

> >

> > http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/QPA.shtml

> >

> > This seems to be the going rate for such formulas in

> > China, I'm paying about the same for my own use.

> >

> > Of course, you must consult with a local practitioner

> > who can evaluate your specific condition and design

> > the formula specifically for you.

> >

> > At the same time, there are a number of acupoints

> > around the eyes that might address your symptoms.

> >

> > Whatever you decide, surgery should be your last

> > resort.

> >

> > Kind regards, Jack

> >

> > --- shantonovianto <shantonovianto@> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi all, wish you all well.

> > > My name is Bobby. I am from Jakarta, Indonesia. I

> > > have questions about

> > > chinese medicine especially for pituitary gland

> > > tumor and visual

> > > improvements medications or methods.

> > >

> > > I'm a patient suffering pituitary tumor called

> > > pituitary adenomas. I

> > > want to ask is there alternative medication by

> > > reducing the size of

> > > the gland and completely remove them after?

> > >

> > > The pituuitary adenomas pressing my chiasm opticum

> > > causing visual loss

> > > to my eyes. This condition called Bitemporal

> > > Hemianopia. A visual loss

> > > on the outside part of the eyes. Are there any

> > > medication to promote

> > > the improvement of the visual fields? Such a neuro

> > > stimulation using

> > > accupuncture methods perhaps?

> > >

> > > Modern medication suggest that i have a surgery for

> > > the tumor which i

> > > cannot afford. Thank you for your best answer.

> > >

> > > Bobby

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bobby, I want to stress that the local TCM healer should be going

primarily by your individual clinical picture and not by a general

formula. The formula is just to give him or her an idea of what might

help and which has helped others. Basic formuals often are modified

for the individual. Or, another formula might be more appropriate for

an individual. The local healer is in a position to know what

particular TCM imbalances you have. Please ask him/her if s/he hasn't

shared this info with you already.

 

TCM treatments are individualized to a degree never seen in allopathic

medicine.

 

You'll also want to continue being monitored by your allopathic doctor

in order to judge if the TCM treatment is helping.