shen ling bai zhu wan

August 18, 2006

Has anyone ever used this? I was wondering if there were any side

effects. I will be going to the dentist and wondered if taking this

would interact with the Novacaine.

Thanks

Bobby

August 18, 2006

It will be fine with the novacaine. It is a great formula used for loose stools

from spleen qi def. Interestly I find that in some people a lower dosage is more

effective than a normal or high dosage.

bob

www.acuherbals.com

gwenbob39 <gwenbob39 wrote:

Has anyone ever used this? I was wondering if there were any side

effects. I will be going to the dentist and wondered if taking this

would interact with the Novacaine.

Thanks

Bobby

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August 18, 2006

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " gwenbob39 " <gwenbob39

wrote:

>

> Has anyone ever used this? I was wondering if there were any side

> effects. I will be going to the dentist and wondered if taking

this

> would interact with the Novacaine.

Dan Bensky and Randall Barolet in Chinse Herbal Medicine Formulas

and Strategies list the following caution for shen ling bai zhu wan:

" Use with caution and only after significant modification in cases

with concurrent heat from yin deficiency. " (p. 240.)

One variation of shen ling bai zhu san contains Pericarpim Citri

Reticulatae (chen pi). It's contraindicated in cases of " dry cough

due to yin or qi deficiency. Use with caution when the tongue is

red, and in cses with hot phlegm or dry heat coughs, or spitting of

blood. " (Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, Revised Ed., Dan

Bensky & Andrew Gamble, p. 232.)

I don't know if dentists still use Novacaine. I believe they're

using other drugs today. One practice that could cause a problem

for you is that some of the newer numbing drugs are mixed with I

believe epinephrine. I can see a possible problem with the ginsing

if the dentist uses something with epinephrine because like ginsing,

it does raise blood pressure. It's a " fight or flight " hormone. To

be on the safe side, you might tell the dentist that you're on a

formula with ginsing in it and you don't want to be numbed with

something with epinephrine in it.

I found out about this the hard way a couple of years ago. I had

never heard of epinephrine being mixed with numbing drugs. As my

heart rate speeded up and I felt more and more like I wanted to do

laps around his office, I finally asked him if some adrenal-like

drug was in what he numbed me with. He said yes. He had to wait

until I got back to normal and then he had to inject more numbing

drug into me without the epinephrine. Ever since that time, I've

always been very careful to tell dentists to not use anything with

epinephrine or any adreanal-like drug in it because I react to it.

Since there is ginseng in the formula you take, I would ask for

numbing without epinephrine or anything with an adrenal-like effect.

I'd also mention to the dentist that you're on ginseng and that

there are some other herbs in the formula that can cause problems

with potassium levels (hyperkalemia) when used with potassium-

sparing drugs. (The herbs that could cause this aste Ful Ling

(Poria) and Yi Yi Ren (Job's tears barley) and Shan Yao (Radix

Dioscoreae Oppositae). Jie Geng (bellflower root) could reduce the

effects of antibiotics, and could cause digitalis intoxication and

heart arrhythmias. That's another reason to forego the epinephrine.

The info on possible problems was taken from Herb Toxicities & Drug

Interactions: A Formula Approach by Fred Jennes with Bob Flaws, pp.

228- 231.

August 18, 2006

Bob

Thanks very much for your thoughts. It was reccomended to me to

remove dampness?? I just started with an Accupuncture/herb person.

But I still like to research for myself too. I have learned that you

need to be involved with your health and healing. I have never taken

much in a way of herbs. Just single things like Ginseng. Some herbal

teas and Maca. The Shen Ling Bai Zhu Wan that I have has

Ginseng,Rhizom atractylodis marocephalae, poria, rhizoma dioscoreae

glycyrrhiza, semen coicis,platycodi,fructus amomi

180mg each pill. Is that alot in herb sense when it says to take 5-8

pills 3 times a day.

Upon researching it I see they may differ in herbs. So now I'm very

confused. This one says it strengthens the Spleen and stomach and

removes Dampness, Stagnate food. Thank you for your help

Bobby

>

> It will be fine with the novacaine. It is a great formula used for

loose stools from spleen qi def. Interestly I find that in some

people a lower dosage is more effective than a normal or high dosage.

> bob

> www.acuherbals.com

>

>or less.

>

August 18, 2006

Thank You for your kind reply.

I too have had the numbing agents that did include the Epinephrine. I

requested not to use them but the the alternative never got me numb

enough and if it did it wore off quickly. I do recall one time my

heart decided to dance after I was given the numbing agent. But it

also did not last very long. Needless to say I did not like it. So

with limited options I have to use the Epinephrine based one. I just

might now forgo the herbs until after my appointment. This shen ling

bai zhu wan that I have does have Ginseng in it. Recalling from years

back I took Ginseng and I felt more energized.

I'm glad I did find this forum to further help me as I introduce

herbs to my body. As you may have read in my other post this is all

new to me and I just started going to a Accupunturist/herb

practioner. But I do like to research on my own and I have learned to

be involved with my health treatments.

>

> Dan Bensky and Randall Barolet in Chinse Herbal Medicine Formulas

> and Strategies list the following caution for shen ling bai zhu wan:

>

> " Use with caution and only after significant modification in cases

> with concurrent heat from yin deficiency. " (p. 240.)

>

> One variation of shen ling bai zhu san contains Pericarpim Citri

> Reticulatae (chen pi). It's contraindicated in cases of " dry cough

> due to yin or qi deficiency. Use with caution when the tongue is

> red, and in cses with hot phlegm or dry heat coughs, or spitting of

> blood. " (Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, Revised Ed., Dan

> Bensky & Andrew Gamble, p. 232.)

>

> I don't know if dentists still use Novacaine. I believe they're

> using other drugs today. One practice that could cause a problem

> for you is that some of the newer numbing drugs are mixed with I

> believe epinephrine. I can see a possible problem with the ginsing

> if the dentist uses something with epinephrine because like

ginsing,

> it does raise blood pressure. It's a " fight or flight " hormone. To

> be on the safe side, you might tell the dentist that you're on a

> formula with ginsing in it and you don't want to be numbed with

> something with epinephrine in it.

>

> I found out about this the hard way a couple of years ago. I had

> never heard of epinephrine being mixed with numbing drugs. As my

> heart rate speeded up and I felt more and more like I wanted to do

> laps around his office, I finally asked him if some adrenal-like

> drug was in what he numbed me with. He said yes. He had to wait

> until I got back to normal and then he had to inject more numbing

> drug into me without the epinephrine. Ever since that time, I've

> always been very careful to tell dentists to not use anything with

> epinephrine or any adreanal-like drug in it because I react to it.

> Since there is ginseng in the formula you take, I would ask for

> numbing without epinephrine or anything with an adrenal-like

effect.

> I'd also mention to the dentist that you're on ginseng and that

> there are some other herbs in the formula that can cause problems

> with potassium levels (hyperkalemia) when used with potassium-

> sparing drugs. (The herbs that could cause this aste Ful Ling

> (Poria) and Yi Yi Ren (Job's tears barley) and Shan Yao (Radix

> Dioscoreae Oppositae). Jie Geng (bellflower root) could reduce the

> effects of antibiotics, and could cause digitalis intoxication and

> heart arrhythmias. That's another reason to forego the epinephrine.

>

> The info on possible problems was taken from Herb Toxicities & Drug

> Interactions: A Formula Approach by Fred Jennes with Bob Flaws, pp.

> 228- 231.

>

August 20, 2006

Hi Gwen,

I'm curious what brand herbs it is...it seems to be missing a few herbs, but

it is not uncommon for some of the smaller less known companies to not list all

of the ingrediants. It should also have Dolichos lablab seed and nelumbo

nucifera seed (this is Bai bian dou and lian zi....I'm better at the chinese

than the latin). It is also actually rare that formulas such as this actually

use ginseng...many commonly use Dang Shen (codinopsis) which is in this formula

an exceptable replacement. It would be somewhat expensive (compared to other

formulas) if it has ginseng (ren shen). This formula is usually prescribed for

spleen qi def causing chronic diarrhea/loose stools.

Bob

www.acuherbals.com

gwenbob39 <gwenbob39 wrote:

Bob

Thanks very much for your thoughts. It was reccomended to me to

remove dampness?? I just started with an Accupuncture/herb person.

But I still like to research for myself too. I have learned that you

need to be involved with your health and healing. I have never taken

much in a way of herbs. Just single things like Ginseng. Some herbal

teas and Maca. The Shen Ling Bai Zhu Wan that I have has

Ginseng,Rhizom atractylodis marocephalae, poria, rhizoma dioscoreae

glycyrrhiza, semen coicis,platycodi,fructus amomi

180mg each pill. Is that alot in herb sense when it says to take 5-8

pills 3 times a day.

Upon researching it I see they may differ in herbs. So now I'm very

confused. This one says it strengthens the Spleen and stomach and

removes Dampness, Stagnate food. Thank you for your help

Bobby

>

> It will be fine with the novacaine. It is a great formula used for

loose stools from spleen qi def. Interestly I find that in some

people a lower dosage is more effective than a normal or high dosage.

> bob

> www.acuherbals.com

>

>or less.

>

August 21, 2006

Bob

Its written very very small in fancy lettering and even with my

reading glasses I cant make it out.

They are little black balls.

I was told this would help remove dampness. I dont have diarhea/loose

stools. Just heartburn and some off intestinal issues. Will this then

cause problems if I take it?

What does removing dampness mean. I failed to ask. The first

ingredient is the Ginseng. So thats Why I thought I should ask if

this was okay to take knowing that I had a dental appointment and

will be needing some numbing agents.

Thanks

Bobby

> I'm curious what brand herbs it is...it seems to be missing a few

herbs, but it is not uncommon for some of the smaller less known

companies to not list all of the ingrediants. It should also have

Dolichos lablab seed and nelumbo nucifera seed (this is Bai bian dou

and lian zi....I'm better at the chinese than the latin). It is also

actually rare that formulas such as this actually use ginseng...many

commonly use Dang Shen (codinopsis) which is in this formula an

exceptable replacement. It would be somewhat expensive (compared to

other formulas) if it has ginseng (ren shen). This formula is usually

prescribed for spleen qi def causing chronic diarrhea/loose stools.

> Bob

> www.acuherbals.com

> gwenbob39 <gwenbob39 wrote:

> Bob

> Thanks very much for your thoughts. It was reccomended to me to

> remove dampness?? I just started with an Accupuncture/herb person.

> But I still like to research for myself too. I have learned that

you

> need to be involved with your health and healing. I have never

taken

> much in a way of herbs. Just single things like Ginseng. Some

herbal

> teas and Maca. The Shen Ling Bai Zhu Wan that I have has

> Ginseng,Rhizom atractylodis marocephalae, poria, rhizoma dioscoreae

> glycyrrhiza, semen coicis,platycodi,fructus amomi

> 180mg each pill. Is that alot in herb sense when it says to take 5-

8

> pills 3 times a day.

>

> Upon researching it I see they may differ in herbs. So now I'm very

> confused. This one says it strengthens the Spleen and stomach and

> removes Dampness, Stagnate food. Thank you for your help

>

> Bobby

>

> >

> > It will be fine with the novacaine. It is a great formula used

for

> loose stools from spleen qi def. Interestly I find that in some

> people a lower dosage is more effective than a normal or high

dosage.

> > bob

> > www.acuherbals.com

> >

> >or less.

> >

August 21, 2006

Most of the chinese patent formulas are little black balls. This formula does

help with dampness... just an interesting choice. I'll let victoria tell you

about the Dampness....she gives such great explainations....Chances are the are

seeing this formula as very good for some of the intestinal problems.