More info on strong bones

[Guest guest]

This isn't what you were looking for, but it's info that you may

find helpful.

 

This is taken fromClinical Nephrology in by Wei Li,

David Frierman with Ben Luna and Bob Flaws, p. 16 (endnotes section):

 

" 7 Zhong Yi Za Zhi (Journal of ), issue #10, 1997,

p. 621, reports that Dr. Yin Yu-shi conducted animal experiments on

the connection between kidney conditions and bone metabolism using

farm animals. He started with the Western idea that there are two

kinds of blood cells involved in bone metabolism, cells that produce

new bone, and cells that dissolve old bone. The formulas he used

most were You Gui Wan (Restore the Right[Kidney] Pills), Jin Gui

Shen Qi Wan (Golden Cabinet Kidney Qi Pills), Liu Wei Di Huang Wan

(Six Flavors Rehmannia Pills), and Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan (Anemarrhena

& Phellodendron Rehmannia Pills). He concluded that formulas that

supplement kidney yang stimulate the production of blood cells that

produce new bones, while formulas that nourish kidney yin depress

the production of cells that dissolve bone. Formulas that

supplement kidney yin and yang have both actions, and animals given

these formulas had greater bone density and strength. He also found

that medicinals that clear heat such as Zhi Mu (Rhizoma Anemarrhenae

Asphodeloidis) and Huang Bai (Cortex Phellodendri) depress both

types of cells. He conclued that , for diseases with bone loss such

as osteoporosis, one should use formulas that supplement kidney yin

and kidney yang. "

 

Note to beginning TCM students: The Kidneys play a key role in the

formation of Blood. Usually, Blood Deficiency will be due to Spleen

Deficiency, but Kidney Deficiency also can cause Blood Deficiency.

 

In TCM physiology the Kidneys are seen as " governing " the bones

and " engendering " Marrow. (A reminder that " Marrow " is capitalized

because it's not equvalent to marrow. The Chinese concept of Marrow

includes more than marrow in the bones.

 

" Kidney essence generates the bones and marrow, while life-gate fire

warms the marrow and keeps it functioning properly. The quality of

the individual's essence determines how the bones and brain develop

and flourish. " (p. 9.)

 

The fact that certain Heat Clearing herbs will " depress both types

of cells " (bone forming and bone tearing down) does not mean that

these herbs should never be used by a person with osteoporosis.

Sometimes they will be necessary. It means that the herbalist needs

to be aware of this effect of these herbs and perhaps include Kidney

Yang and Yin tonic herbs or formulas in the treatment.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information. I have not found these TCM formulas to be

strong enough for bones, but I guess that is why everyone is

different. Hopefully I can figure out how to tweek Gu Zhi Shu Song

and make a raw herb formula with the ingredients.

 

Off the subject something I am finding helpful to raising body

temperature (metabolism) lately, quite outside TCM as I know it, is

Dr. Singha's mustard bath. Seems good (for me) as lung season approaches.

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon wrote:

>

> This isn't what you were looking for, but it's info that you may

> find helpful.

>

> This is taken fromClinical Nephrology in by Wei Li,

> David Frierman with Ben Luna and Bob Flaws, p. 16 (endnotes section):

>

> " 7 Zhong Yi Za Zhi (Journal of ), issue #10, 1997,

> p. 621, reports that Dr. Yin Yu-shi conducted animal experiments on

> the connection between kidney conditions and bone metabolism using

> farm animals. He started with the Western idea that there are two

> kinds of blood cells involved in bone metabolism, cells that produce

> new bone, and cells that dissolve old bone. The formulas he used

> most were You Gui Wan (Restore the Right[Kidney] Pills), Jin Gui

> Shen Qi Wan (Golden Cabinet Kidney Qi Pills), Liu Wei Di Huang Wan

> (Six Flavors Rehmannia Pills), and Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan (Anemarrhena

> & Phellodendron Rehmannia Pills). He concluded that formulas that

> supplement kidney yang stimulate the production of blood cells that

> produce new bones, while formulas that nourish kidney yin depress

> the production of cells that dissolve bone. Formulas that

> supplement kidney yin and yang have both actions, and animals given

> these formulas had greater bone density and strength. He also found

> that medicinals that clear heat such as Zhi Mu (Rhizoma Anemarrhenae

> Asphodeloidis) and Huang Bai (Cortex Phellodendri) depress both

> types of cells. He conclued that , for diseases with bone loss such

> as osteoporosis, one should use formulas that supplement kidney yin

> and kidney yang. "

>

> Note to beginning TCM students: The Kidneys play a key role in the

> formation of Blood. Usually, Blood Deficiency will be due to Spleen

> Deficiency, but Kidney Deficiency also can cause Blood Deficiency.

>

> In TCM physiology the Kidneys are seen as " governing " the bones

> and " engendering " Marrow. (A reminder that " Marrow " is capitalized

> because it's not equvalent to marrow. The Chinese concept of Marrow

> includes more than marrow in the bones.

>

> " Kidney essence generates the bones and marrow, while life-gate fire

> warms the marrow and keeps it functioning properly. The quality of

> the individual's essence determines how the bones and brain develop

> and flourish. " (p. 9.)

>

> The fact that certain Heat Clearing herbs will " depress both types

> of cells " (bone forming and bone tearing down) does not mean that

> these herbs should never be used by a person with osteoporosis.

> Sometimes they will be necessary. It means that the herbalist needs

> to be aware of this effect of these herbs and perhaps include Kidney

> Yang and Yin tonic herbs or formulas in the treatment.

>

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " baidanwu34 " <bonmotSarah

wrote:

>

> Thanks for the information. I have not found these TCM formulas to be

> strong enough for bones, but I guess that is why everyone is

> different.

 

I am not sure how this poster found that the formulas that Victoria

mentioned were not 'strong enough for bones'. What criteria did you

use to determine this? The articles that Bob Flaws are translating on

this subject are state of the art on the subject. If one has

osteopenia or osteoporosis then there are no other options than

correcting Kidney and blood problems.

 

Others interested in this subject should read the full articles and

analyze the formulas - the approach to these issues that these

articles represent is the answer to many peoples problems. :Please

remember that rebuilding Kidney Yin and Yang is not an easy thing to

do - especially building the Yin - but to solve problems of bone

formation it will be necessary to do it neverthless. Such things will

take a long time to achieve - it will not happen over night. Many

factors are involved in bone loss but they are always boiled down to

KIDNEYS (including Adrenal function). The acids which are causing the

calcium to be leached from bone must be corrected. the role of

exercise in bone problems can not be underestimated - any light

exercise that puts pressure on the weight bearing long bones will help

in bone formation even when the Kidneys are weak. This is of course

not a cure by itself but it has great usefulness when taking herbs and

improving diet and lifestyle.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " baidanwu34 " <bonmotSarah

wrote:

 

Gu Zhi Shu Song

> and make a raw herb formula with the ingredients.

>

 

The Strong Woman Strong Bone formulas are excatly the kind of formula

that was mentioned in the Flaws translated articles. These are

formulas for balancing Kidney functioning - mainly adrenal hormone

functioning - since estrogen (yin) and testosterone (yang)are the

major culprits in bone loss along with acid blood. There is a book

written on this subject . I do not know how you can find it perhaps

Amazon has it.