Safe Herbs for Dogs?

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In a message dated 7/28/2006 12:32:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

katherine_n_wolfe writes:

 

I wonder if anyone could point me to a resource that would tell me

what herbs are safe to use on dogs.

 

 

Look in the phone book, some vets use herbal medicine.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello all -

 

I wonder if anyone could point me to a resource that would tell me

what herbs are safe to use on dogs. My canine friend could use some

help, and I'd like to have some confidence that I'm not poisoning

her.

 

Thanks,

 

Katherine

[Guest guest]

Chinese veterinary medicine has been practiced for hundreds of years -

this is also true in Ayurveda. So there is much experience in the

science.

 

Check these sites -

 

http://www.thepetprofessor.com/articles/article.aspx?id=1947

 

http://www.chi-institute.com/

 

Please do not give human medicines to dogs without advise - dogs have

different metabolisms.

 

I met a fellow once in South India at the Ashram of a famous lady

saint - he is an Ayurvedic physician who cares for the cows at the

Ashram - the milk from these specially raised cows is considered much

superior to ordinary milk - this high quality milk is considered to be

the only proper milk to be offered to that illustrious person - if one

hasn't heard of Amritanandamayi (Ammachi- The Divine Mother) - then it

might be something of interest. My father says of her - she has fully

realized her feminine nature and become the Universal Mother. I have

met her several times and always delight in her - the sweetness of her

nature is awesome - something never seen before - in a cynical world

like ours it is comforting that there are those who have risen above

the mundane. Simplicity and purity are very rare qualities in adult

humans - yet there are some who have achieved it. When you see it with

your own eyes it will always be an inspiration. the great Dr. Jane

Goodall said of Amma - " She stands here in front of us. God's love in

a human body. "

 

I hope Victoria does not mind my mentioning this lady. It is not

really off topic becuase such people are models of human success. Her

Ashram is located in Kerala in the backwaters near to Kollam - a kind

of paradise. If anyone would like to see a picure of her go to the

Ashram web site - the Ashram is called Amritapuri.

 

http://www.amritapuri.org/Mother-page.php

[Guest guest]

There is a great book called 4 paws 5 directions that is designed for the

general public and talks about dosage and formulas, western herbs and

acupressure for dogs and cats. I have used it frequently with great success.

Bob

www.acuherbals.com

 

Katherine Wolfe <katherine_n_wolfe wrote:

 

Hello all -

 

I wonder if anyone could point me to a resource that would tell me

what herbs are safe to use on dogs. My canine friend could use some

help, and I'd like to have some confidence that I'm not poisoning

her.

 

Thanks,

 

Katherine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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All You Ever Wanted to Know About Herbs for Pets

by Mary L. Wulff-Tilford & Gregory L. Tilford

 

Katherine Wolfe <katherine_n_wolfe wrote:

 

Hello all -

 

I wonder if anyone could point me to a resource that would tell me

what herbs are safe to use on dogs. My canine friend could use some

help, and I'd like to have some confidence that I'm not poisoning

her.

 

Thanks,

 

Katherine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 7/28/2006 2:49:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

turtle_epoch writes:

 

I wonder if anyone could point me to a resource that would tell me

what herbs are safe to use on dogs.

 

 

I have been to a number of herbal seminars where a few vets also may come.

Dogs can eat human food, I do not see what is the problem.

If I had a dog that had loose stools, or pasty stools or diarrhea, or poor

appetite, fatigue, had weight loss, nausea, vomiting, bororygmus what herbal

formula would you use?????

 

Yes of course, Shen Ling Bai Zhu Pian, I would not care if it was a dog or a

horse or a squirrel, that is the formula I would use.

I cannot think of a single herb that would be unsafe can you??

If the formula fits use it.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The best book I have is 'Herbs for Pets' - Greg Tilford and Mary Wulff

Tilford. I refer to it all the time.

 

Sherry Bakko

 

On Jul 27, 2006, at 11:30 PM, Katherine Wolfe wrote:

 

>

> Hello all -

>

> I wonder if anyone could point me to a resource that would tell me

> what herbs are safe to use on dogs. My canine friend could use some

> help, and I'd like to have some confidence that I'm not poisoning

> her.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Katherine

>

>

>

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , KarateStan wrote:

 

> Dogs can eat human food, I do not see what is the problem.

 

No, Stan, dogs cannot eat anything that humans can eat. For

example, chocolate can kill dogs and cats. Onions can trigger a

fatal form of anemia in many dogs. Etc.

 

> Yes of course, Shen Ling Bai Zhu Pian, I would not care if it was

a dog or a

> horse or a squirrel, that is the formula I would use.

> I cannot think of a single herb that would be unsafe can you??

> If the formula fits use it.

 

If you willy nilly are prescribing formulas meant for humans for

dogs and other animals, you are playing Russian Roulette with THEIR

lives and health. To be on the safe side one needs to research each

herb in a formula to find out if it's safe for dogs or cats or

horses or squirrels or whatever. If you can't find any valid info on

the safety of a particular herb for a particular species of animal,

do NOT administer it to a dog, cat, etc.

 

Because there still is little info on the Internet on the safety of

specific herbs in vet medicine, this is where knowing how to develop

formulas comes in very handy. You go only with herbs that you can

find valid info on and know are safe for the particular species.

 

Please be very careful about ordering herbal formulas for dogs,

cats, etc. Some companies are only out to make money and are selling

formulas meant only for humans for other animals. Before ordering,

get a list of the ingredients and check out every single one to make

sure they're all safe for the particular species.

[Guest guest]

does this book use western or chinese herbs?

Bob

www.acuherbals.com

 

Sherry Bakko <sbakko wrote:

 

The best book I have is 'Herbs for Pets' - Greg Tilford and Mary Wulff

Tilford. I refer to it all the time.

 

Sherry Bakko

 

On Jul 27, 2006, at 11:30 PM, Katherine Wolfe wrote:

 

>

> Hello all -

>

> I wonder if anyone could point me to a resource that would tell me

> what herbs are safe to use on dogs. My canine friend could use some

> help, and I'd like to have some confidence that I'm not poisoning

> her.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Katherine

>

>

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/29/2006 1:52:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

No, Stan, dogs cannot eat anything that humans can eat. For

example, chocolate can kill dogs and cats. Onions can trigger a

fatal form of anemia in many dogs. Etc.

 

 

 

Are onions and chocolate in Chinese herbs.

This was a Golden Flower seminar and to my understanding they use ALL the

Golden Flower herbs in the Vet Practice.

And if you knew who much chocolate it would take to kill a dog.

Milk chocolate: 1 ounce per pound of body weight. The average chocolate bar

contains 2 to 3 ounces of milk chocolate. It would take 2-3 candy bars to

poison a 10 pound dog. Semi-sweet chocolate has a similar toxic level.

 

So if we were to go back to what the Material Medical 3-10 grams even of

chocolate my be therapeutic. I would not know I do not treat animals, but if I

did I would find a Vet that does.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mostly western! If you want a book for strictly chinese herbs, the

Four Paws - Five Directions might be worth looking at.

 

Sherry

 

On Jul 29, 2006, at 4:23 AM, Bob Linde,AP, Herbalist wrote:

 

> does this book use western or chinese herbs?

> Bob

> www.acuherbals.com

>

> Sherry Bakko <sbakko wrote:

>

> The best book I have is 'Herbs for Pets' - Greg Tilford and Mary Wulff

> Tilford. I refer to it all the time.

>

> Sherry Bakko

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , KarateStan wrote:

>

> Are onions and chocolate in Chinese herbs.

 

Yes, Stan. Onions are listed in at least two places in the TCM

Materia Medica. Under Warm, Acrid Herbs That Release the Exterior

and under Herbs That Regulate the Qi. Given how you belittled

another member of this list for supposedly not being familiar with

the Materia Medica, I'm surprised you didn't know this. Then again,

maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

 

> This was a Golden Flower seminar and to my understanding they use

ALL the

> Golden Flower herbs in the Vet Practice.

 

You don't assume, you check. If it's a reputable company, it won't

be just selling formulas meant for humans under a vet label for

animals. They'll be researching things very carefully to make sure

every herb in the formula is safe for the animal in question. They

also will be coming up with formulas specifically for animals that

are safe for them. At this time one should always double check with

one's own research to make sure the formulas are safe and effective.

Don't take the word of a company for anything because some

companies - like some people - don't care how much hurt they cause

as long as they make money. Not saying that the company you

mentioned is or is not reputable. You check it out. You just don't

take a company's word for something.

 

> And if you knew who much chocolate it would take to kill a dog.

> Milk chocolate: 1 ounce per pound of body weight. The average

chocolate bar

> contains 2 to 3 ounces of milk chocolate. It would take 2-3 candy

bars to

> poison a 10 pound dog. Semi-sweet chocolate has a similar toxic

level.

>

Where do you get your information? Considerably less than this can

kill a dog. Especially one that already is sick. Even if the dog

isn't killed, the chocolate isn't doing the dog's health any good.

 

Cats are sensitive to even more substances than dogs are. So you'll

want to be extra careful in treating cats.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon wrote:

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , KarateStan@ wrote:

>

> > Dogs can eat human food, I do not see what is the problem.

>

> No, Stan, dogs cannot eat anything that humans can eat. For

> example, chocolate can kill dogs and cats. Onions can trigger a

> fatal form of anemia in many dogs. Etc.

 

Victoria's comments are very relevant - dogs have a very different

metabolism than humans - plus there is the important point of

dosing - it is not reasonable to think that a 10lb. dog can take the

same herbal formula and dose that an adult human takes. Many of the

supporting herbs in formulas would be contraindicated in formulas

for non humans becuase other species do not have the same problems

as humans.

 

I read recently where there are many cases of dogs dying from eating

raisins. Just becuase one can eat or will eat many things does not

mean we should eat them - or give them to our pets. I have seen

families where the children lived on Pizza, spaghetti-os, coke and

potato chips - the children live and develop but really they have no

chance - by adolescence these kids will be lost. My neighbor feeds

her dogs ice cream - I cringe when i see that - the dogs love it but

what is it doing to their Insulin response and their stomachs. The

way we humans feed our pets borders on criminal - because we are

creating types and levels of disease in our animal companions that

they have never faced - just like we are doing to ourselves - they

have no choice in the matter and they can become true victims of

abuse through ignorance. We need to understand our pets and know

what are their true needs to live a healthy life.

 

For dog lovers I reccomend the work of Dr. Billinghurst - the

developer of the B.A.R.F. diet for dogs - even if one does not agree

with his use of raw food (I do agree with his concept) his theories

about dog nutrition are the most advanced science on the subject in

the world. Dogs fed according to his concepts simply thrive and

shine. I have a rare breed of dog and we have fed her the B.A.R.F.

way since she was a puppy and she is the most beautiful energetic

and adaptable little animal I have ever seen - everyone comments on

how beautiful her eyes are and her coat - my sister-in-law took our

little dog's sister and she feeds her kibble and table scraps - one

would never think that little dog is the sister of our dog because

her personaility is erratic being first aggressive and anti-social

and at times fearful - she has had two upper respiratory infections

which required antibiotics - my brother-in-law says it is foolish to

spend 80 dollars a month feeding a dog (if you make it yourself it

is much cheaper in fact it can be cheaper than canned food)- we buy

it frozen because my wife has put down her foot and said she will

not mess around with all of that raw meat (we are vegetarians).

[Guest guest]

Hey there Katherine, I am not really sure all of what herbs or

remedies are effective with dogs, and are ok to use. I do know that

with my dog who was aging and had arthritis really bad in her back

hip really benifited from apple cider vinegar (that is healthfood

variety with the mother that is cloudy, not the malt kind that you

will find at walmart). She got so bad that she couldn't get up to

go outside to use the bathroom and if you tried to help her up she

would nip at you because it hurt so bad (otherwise she was a very

kind and friendly dog. We took her to the vet and he put her on

some kind of therapy, and honestly I can't remember what it was

other than pain pills, and said that was all he could do for her,

and that she would probably be put down. He said she probably had 1

month to live. Well when I heard that he diagnosed it as arthritis,

I remembered that healthfood variety of apple cider vinegar could

help. I figured she would be no worse off if she took some, and it

might help. Much to my delight (and I am sure her's too) it really

helped her out. It actually had her in less pain than when she was

on the pain killers. After about 3 weeks of treatment on this (I

used 3 table spoons bragg's apple cider vinegar, and one tablespoon

of my grandpa's honey in warm water to disolve it) she was actually

up and trotting around (faster than a walk, but not a run). She

could get up from laying down much quicker and she never yelped

anymore after a few weeks on it. She would actually get to the

point where she would ask for the vinegar mix, I never had to force

her to take it. She lived for over a year after this, and her

quality of life was much better.

 

I don't know if this is the kind of thing that you are looking for

with your dog, but it's a good remedy if something like that is

indeed the problem.

 

Maybe it would help out if you could share what is going on with

your canine friend, what his/her symptoms are, and maybe what you

are thinking of trying. That might help you get some of the answers

you are looking for.

 

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , KarateStan wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2006 1:52:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> victoria_dragon writes:

>

> No, Stan, dogs cannot eat anything that humans can eat. For

> example, chocolate can kill dogs and cats. Onions can trigger a

> fatal form of anemia in many dogs. Etc.

>

>

> Are onions and chocolate in Chinese herbs.

> This was a Golden Flower seminar and to my understanding they use

ALL the

> Golden Flower herbs in the Vet Practice.

> And if you knew who much chocolate it would take to kill a dog.

> Milk chocolate: 1 ounce per pound of body weight. The average

chocolate bar

> contains 2 to 3 ounces of milk chocolate. It would take 2-3 candy

bars to

> poison a 10 pound dog. Semi-sweet chocolate has a similar toxic level.

 

It's still not a good idea to give chocolate to a dog. What would be

the beneftis?

 

sue