Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I have a puzzling dilemma, how is it that someone can become " immune " to herbs ???? Where does this come from??? My husband has been taking herbs for impotence, which he was left with from a virus he had 25 years ago. Back when viagra first came out, his doc prescribed it for him.......it worked for him the first time he took it.......worked great! Then never worked the same again. Shortly afterwards we began trying herbs...........Goat weed we tryed next with the same results, worked great at first then didn't work. Since then we have tryed Muia Puama, Tongkat Ali,Cistanche deserticola, panax ginseng to name a few, all with the same results......worked great at first then nothing. My question is, Why does this pattern keep happening ? What am I missing? Any help would be appreciated......... blessings, Marlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Marlene " <MarleneLawson wrote: > > I have a puzzling dilemma, how is it that someone can become " immune " to herbs ???? Where does this come from??? Impotency in situations like the one mentioned that come on after viral infections are more complicated than simply giving stimulants that increase circultion to the local area and or build the Yang. Stimulants that work in the short term but stop after sometime are probably causing stresses of their own and should not be continued. Sounds like Yin defeciency to me. Perhaps the body can accept small amounts of stimulation but if this is continued they become stressful. It is not that we develop immunity to the herbs the problem is that the drugs are too strong and can not be continued without stress. This is clearly a case that needs further more sophisticated evaluation. I meet many men who take sexual stimulants - i always remind them that these substances are not a cure for impotency plus many of them are very heating and one should be careful in their use because in many cases they make the problems worse in the long run. We have to remember that erections are very complicated physiological events and simple answers rarely work. Erections are both physiological and psychological functions of the 'Kidneys'- any of the many functions of the Jing (Yin and Yang) when pathological can cause sexual malfunctions - physiological and psychological. Simple stimulation and improvement of circulation (this is what Viagra does)is too simple a concept for these basic issues of general physiology. Sexual health is a result and symbol of general health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 i think those medicine/herb is just temporary and not treat the root problem or imbalance that's why the result doesnt last that long. marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 thank you so much Vinod for your info...........that really gave me another way to look at it.........will have to do some more research! Another question comes up, for some one like this where a virus has come into the body ..............would I be safe to say that this " entity " as I view it from my Shaman point of view, has anchored itself into the kidneys ??? Since this virus happened about 25 years ago, is it possible that this virus/entity is STILL anchored there after all those years??? I am asking in general here and not for a diagnoses...........as it blows my mind as to how these are able to invade the body and remain there ??? Or would I be looking at the DAMAGE done by the virus , when it invaded...........interesting I find it all. :-) many thanks, Marlene - Vinod Kumar Chinese Traditional Medicine Friday, March 31, 2006 3:58 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: strange patterns Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Marlene " <MarleneLawson wrote: > > I have a puzzling dilemma, how is it that someone can become " immune " to herbs ???? Where does this come from??? Impotency in situations like the one mentioned that come on after viral infections are more complicated than simply giving stimulants that increase circultion to the local area and or build the Yang. Stimulants that work in the short term but stop after sometime are probably causing stresses of their own and should not be continued. Sounds like Yin defeciency to me. Perhaps the body can accept small amounts of stimulation but if this is continued they become stressful. It is not that we develop immunity to the herbs the problem is that the drugs are too strong and can not be continued without stress. This is clearly a case that needs further more sophisticated evaluation. I meet many men who take sexual stimulants - i always remind them that these substances are not a cure for impotency plus many of them are very heating and one should be careful in their use because in many cases they make the problems worse in the long run. We have to remember that erections are very complicated physiological events and simple answers rarely work. Erections are both physiological and psychological functions of the 'Kidneys'- any of the many functions of the Jing (Yin and Yang) when pathological can cause sexual malfunctions - physiological and psychological. Simple stimulation and improvement of circulation (this is what Viagra does)is too simple a concept for these basic issues of general physiology. Sexual health is a result and symbol of general health. Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 > Another question comes up, for some one like this where a virus has come into the body ..............would I be safe to say that this " entity " as I view it from my Shaman point of view, has anchored itself into the kidneys ??? Since this virus happened about 25 years ago, is it possible that this virus/entity is STILL anchored there after all those years??? I am asking in general here and not for a diagnoses...........as it blows my mind as to how these are able to invade the body and remain there ??? > Or would I be looking at the DAMAGE done by the virus , when it invaded...........interesting I find it all. :-) The second understanding is the most valid. Disease is held not just as a localized pattern it is also held in the psyche - it becomes a part of our personality structure. The virus - or whatever was the original cause of the disease passes on - but the image of the disease stays very much with us. It becomes a part of the pattern of how we function - these are our reactive patterns - the 'personality'. These are the patterns that must be cleared before we are 'healed' from past disease patterns. We actually have developed patterns which have become foundation patterns of how we 'know' ourselves. Healing these patterns can become the most difficult aspects of 'recovery'. This is because we have defined ourselves from the perspective of our diseases and negating any part of self even 'false'self is very difficult. Many systems have been developed from these understandings - Homeopathy attempts to break these old patterns by stimulating very specific aspects of the 'immune system' - psychology attempts this - many religious and spiritual systems try to 'clear' the past patterns - meditation does this - accupuncture can do this. All systems do this by trying to break the old patterns and establish new patterns. This is based on the psychological concept of 'deconditioning' or 'reconditioning - which refers not just to psychological but also pysiological processes since soma and psyche are not seperate. My father is a practioner of Yoga - his teacher always called Yoga a path of purification - meaning Yoga breaks the old 'samskaras' or old non functional patterns - in the old terminology this was called 'repentance from past sins'. In Zen Buddhism this is called 'returning to our original face'- who we are without our disease patterns. Many people have written on these concepts in two favorites that go into depth on the development of somatic and psychic disease patterns based on malfunctions of the Organs are - Leon Hammer and Lonny Jarrett. The patterns are held at the local level and the holistic level. Both must be healed at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Thank you so much for your insight, Vinod ! It is very much appreciated! blessings, Marlene - Vinod Kumar Many people have written on these concepts in two favorites that go into depth on the development of somatic and psychic disease patterns based on malfunctions of the Organs are - Leon Hammer and Lonny Jarrett. The patterns are held at the local level and the holistic level. Both must be healed at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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