Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 A little info on one of the varieties of Seitai. It means 'realignment' so it is used for many therapies. Here is refered to the the type akin to chiropractics: http://www.frontiernet.net/~adkarate/seitai.htm _____ doce lar. Faça do sua homepage. http://br./homepageset.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Jack, Marcos, et al. Can you hear the chiropractors screaming bloody murder about acupuncturists making adjustments? I can, very faintly. Listen closely. :-) Zenisis marcos wrote: >A little info on one of the varieties of Seitai. It means >'realignment' so it is used for many therapies. > Here is refered to the the type akin to chiropractics: > > >http://www.frontiernet.net/~adkarate/seitai.htm > > > > > > > > >_____ > doce lar. Faça do sua homepage. >http://br./homepageset.html > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 > Can you hear the chiropractors screaming bloody > murder about acupuncturists making adjustments? Do chiropractors have a problem with Western structural integration therapies like Rolfing? If you practice any nonMD therapy you learn what words not to use to explain what you do. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Hi Zen, In Japan, at least, acupuncture, massage, seitai, moxa, etc, where passed in the family. Therapists use all of them to treat their clients problems. These techniques are part of the repertoire of the practitioner, that's all. Other countries, other uses; if the chiropratics get worried obout others taking their clients away from them...maybe they could learn acupuncture! :-) Marcos --- Zenisis <findme escreveu: > Jack, Marcos, et al. > > Can you hear the chiropractors screaming bloody murder about > acupuncturists making adjustments? I can, very faintly. > Listen > closely. :-) > > Zenisis > > marcos wrote: > > >A little info on one of the varieties of Seitai. It means > >'realignment' so it is used for many therapies. > > Here is refered to the the type akin to chiropractics: > > > > > >http://www.frontiernet.net/~adkarate/seitai.htm > > > > > > > > _____ doce lar. Faça do sua homepage. http://br./homepageset.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 > In Japan, at least, acupuncture, massage, seitai, > moxa, etc, where passed in the family. Therapists > use all of them to treat their clients problems. > These techniques are part of the > repertoire of the practitioner, that's all. In Japan most of these therapies have separate licenses. Anma, Western massage and shiatsu are licensed as bodywork therapies separate from acupuncture, moxabustion, and herbalism. Its possible for a practitioner of moxabustion to treat everything with moxa (even heat issues) because that's all that practitioner might be licenced to legally do in Japan. The same holds true with herbalism. Kampo can only be practiced by Western (tradition) trained medical doctors in Japan. > Other countries, other uses; if the chiropratics get worried > obout others taking their clients away from them...maybe they > could learn acupuncture! :-) > > Marcos In many states of the USA chiropractors can practice acupuncture with absolutely no additional training. Some states require as little as 100 hrs extra training. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 hyldemoer wrote: >In many states of the USA chiropractors can practice >acupuncture with absolutely no additional training. >Some states require as little as 100 hrs extra training. > >Penel > > > My state is one that only requires a few extra hour of training for chiropractors. In fact, I just was speaking to someone who said that he goes to a chiro who does so. That's fine if he is using it make his adjustments more affective. But if acupuncture gains popularity here, he may try to treat a prolapsed bladder or a kidney yang deficiency. I, on the other hand, would be risking my hypothetical hard-earned acupuncture license to do anything that sounds like like adjustments unless I went to a chiropractic school for 3 years and becamed a licensed chiropractor. Not to say that chiropractors cannot become competent practioners of TCM, but there is not reciprocity as far as the law is concerned. I am sure that chiropractors would fight to protect their 'turf', as well. Zenisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Ah, my knowledge of the japanese come from the immigrants here in Brazil. I guess that as the legislation is different from what you described n contemporary Japan, they may do acupuncture, amma, shiatsu, moxa, seitai, etc. all in the same session sometimes. If the chiro can do ac. with just 100 hours, can they complain of acupuncturists doing the same with seitai or chiropractics itself? This is an interesting article on (real)traditional chinese medicine vs. contemporary acupuncture: http://www.dragonrises.net/articles/7dueling.pdf cheers! Marcos --- hyldemoer <hyldemoer escreveu: > > > In Japan, at least, acupuncture, massage, seitai, > > moxa, etc, where passed in the family. Therapists > > use all of them to treat their clients problems. > > These techniques are part of the > > repertoire of the practitioner, that's all. > > In Japan most of these therapies have separate licenses. > Anma, Western massage and shiatsu are licensed as > bodywork therapies separate from acupuncture, > moxabustion, and herbalism. > > Its possible for a practitioner of moxabustion to treat > everything with moxa (even heat issues) because > that's all that practitioner might be licenced to legally do > in Japan. > > The same holds true with herbalism. Kampo can only > be practiced by Western (tradition) trained medical > doctors in Japan. > > > Other countries, other uses; if the chiropratics get worried > > obout others taking their clients away from them...maybe they > > could learn acupuncture! :-) > > > > Marcos > > In many states of the USA chiropractors can practice > acupuncture with absolutely no additional training. > Some states require as little as 100 hrs extra training. > > Penel > > > _____ doce lar. Faça do sua homepage. http://br./homepageset.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 <snip> > I, on the other hand, would be risking my > hypothetical hard-earned acupuncture license > to do anything that sounds like like adjustments > unless I went to a chiropractic school for 3 years > and becamed a licensed chiropractor. In actual practice in the USA, its wise to stay within the scope of practice defined by one's malpractice insurance. > Not to say that chiropractors cannot become > competent practioners of TCM, but there is > not reciprocity as far as the law is concerned. > I am sure that chiropractors would fight to > protect their 'turf', as well. Chiropractors had a lot of experience about what could go wrong when the laws were being written years ago about their relationship to medical doctors. When acupuncture became an issue, the acupuncturists suffered probably because they didn't realize they'd have to protect their interests by becoming political. Its a lot harder to change the laws after they're in place. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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