Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I do hope someone can help me out. I have an appointment w/my TCM doc in a few weeks but in the mean time I'm trying to figure this out. My 9yr old daughter is complaining of a sore neck. She has complained about this pain since she was 4yrs old. It always seems to be worse at night but she says that it hurts all the time. Her pediatrician took an x-ray and that came back normal. Our TCM doc did acupuncture on her and she said it helped a little but did not take the pain away completely. She does not complain of headaches or anything else and she is a completely normal healthy child. We have tried just about every sleeping pillow and squishy pillow under the sun and nothing seems to work. One thing does come to mind, when she was about 7months old she pulled a solid wooden highchair down on top of her and it landed across the bridge of her nose. The pain she is complaining about now is directly in the back of her head in the GB-20 area at the base of her skull. Could the pain be a result of that accident or is that just a coincidence? The few times a year she does get sick it's always the same: high fever, closed off sinuses (completely), and drainage down the back of her throat. Now I do believe the problems w/her sinuses is a result of the trauma but could the next pain she is experiencing in her neck also be? I would appreciate anyone's thoughts or comments. TaMara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Sounds like my problem....my atlas gets off center. Have you had a chiropractor examine her? Khepri On 1/9/06, TaMara <advocare1210 wrote: > > I do hope someone can help me out. I have an appointment w/my TCM > doc in a few weeks but in the mean time I'm trying to figure this > out. > > My 9yr old daughter is complaining of a sore neck. She has > complained about this pain since she was 4yrs old. It always seems > to be worse at night but she says that it hurts all the time. Her > pediatrician took an x-ray and that came back normal. Our TCM doc > did acupuncture on her and she said it helped a little but did not > take the pain away completely. She does not complain of headaches > or anything else and she is a completely normal healthy child. We > have tried just about every sleeping pillow and squishy pillow under > the sun and nothing seems to work. One thing does come to mind, > when she was about 7months old she pulled a solid wooden highchair > down on top of her and it landed across the bridge of her nose. The > pain she is complaining about now is directly in the back of her > head in the GB-20 area at the base of her skull. Could the pain be > a result of that accident or is that just a coincidence? The few > times a year she does get sick it's always the same: high fever, > closed off sinuses (completely), and drainage down the back of her > throat. Now I do believe the problems w/her sinuses is a result of > the trauma but could the next pain she is experiencing in her neck > also be? > I would appreciate anyone's thoughts or comments. > > TaMara > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Neck belongs to TaiYang Channel. In " Huang Di Nei Jing " , it says all stiffness and pain of the neck is caused by dampness. So I could use Small Instestine channel (SI3, for example), and UB channel points to treat her neck pain. Also I could use points that drains dampness. herbs that treats Taiyang Channel dampness should also help. Good Luck! TaMara <advocare1210 wrote: I do hope someone can help me out. I have an appointment w/my TCM doc in a few weeks but in the mean time I'm trying to figure this out. My 9yr old daughter is complaining of a sore neck. She has complained about this pain since she was 4yrs old. It always seems to be worse at night but she says that it hurts all the time. Her pediatrician took an x-ray and that came back normal. Our TCM doc did acupuncture on her and she said it helped a little but did not take the pain away completely. She does not complain of headaches or anything else and she is a completely normal healthy child. We have tried just about every sleeping pillow and squishy pillow under the sun and nothing seems to work. One thing does come to mind, when she was about 7months old she pulled a solid wooden highchair down on top of her and it landed across the bridge of her nose. The pain she is complaining about now is directly in the back of her head in the GB-20 area at the base of her skull. Could the pain be a result of that accident or is that just a coincidence? The few times a year she does get sick it's always the same: high fever, closed off sinuses (completely), and drainage down the back of her throat. Now I do believe the problems w/her sinuses is a result of the trauma but could the next pain she is experiencing in her neck also be? I would appreciate anyone's thoughts or comments. TaMara Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Hi TaMara, If the Western dr. and acupuncturist couldn't find anything by their testing methods, its not directly Chinese med oriented, but have you tried chiropractics? I would also supplement therapy with some Jin Shin Do because JSD starts and ends the sessions doing a " neck release " . Because your daughter might have been accomodating an imbalance for a large part of her life, perhaps some Feldenkrais lessons (the 2 of you could take them together.) might be good for movement retraining and additional therapeutic support. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Does she ever grind her teeth at night? There may very well be a connection between the sinus problems and the neck problems. There is an adjustment to the neck that chiropractors and DOs give that can open up the sinuses instantly. Have you ever gently massaged the area of her neck that hurts and the area of the spine close to where she hurts? Sometimes it's possible to massage out pain. Sometimes that will work. BTW, there is an adjustment to the upper back that can ease breathing. I discovered that when I had breathing problems that an area in my upper back over the spine was sore. If I used a handheld massager or a relative gently massaged the pain out, my breathing returned to normal. If you try this on your child's neck be very, very gentle. It doesn't have to be vigorous massge to be affective. Something to note is if pressure makes the pain better or worse. In general, if pressure helps, this points to there being a Deficiency problem. If pressure makes the pain worse, this points to an Excess problem. (This may not mean anything to you at present, but it will to the TCM doctor.) At one time my back problems were so bad that I couldn't stand to use one of those electric back massagers that you sit against for more than a few seconds at a time at the lowest speed. The particular model I had had controls for both the upper and lower back, and I couldn't stand to use both at once. Gradually I worked my way up to being able to use both at the same time and to using the device for the full amount of time on the high setting, but that took a while. So if your daughter's pain is worsened by pressure, go very, very slowly and gently, a few very light strokes at a time until gradually the problem improves. BTW, every once in a while I still have pain in the upper back that corresponds to periods when I have breathing problems, but this doesn't occur very often anymore. Is her neck pain worse at some times of the year (weather conditions) than at others? Cold, wind, damp, heat, or dryness? Does heat help or make the problem worse? Does a cool washcloth help or make the problem worse? This is a long-shot, but very gently massage her back at waist level and see if the pain in her neck eases some. Massage back and forth across the back at waist level. (And if heat applied to her neck makes it better, try appling heat to the back at waist level. Because children are more sensitive than adults, you'll want to use just a little heat and make sure there's cloth between the heating pad and her skin. Massage - especially around the spine - is contraindication in children and adults who have brittle bones. Chinese Traditional Medicine , " TaMara " <advocare1210> wrote: > > I do hope someone can help me out. I have an appointment w/my TCM > doc in a few weeks but in the mean time I'm trying to figure this > out. > > My 9yr old daughter is complaining of a sore neck. She has > complained about this pain since she was 4yrs old. It always seems > to be worse at night but she says that it hurts all the time. Her > pediatrician took an x-ray and that came back normal. Our TCM doc > did acupuncture on her and she said it helped a little but did not > take the pain away completely. She does not complain of headaches > or anything else and she is a completely normal healthy child. We > have tried just about every sleeping pillow and squishy pillow under > the sun and nothing seems to work. One thing does come to mind, > when she was about 7months old she pulled a solid wooden highchair > down on top of her and it landed across the bridge of her nose. The > pain she is complaining about now is directly in the back of her > head in the GB-20 area at the base of her skull. Could the pain be > a result of that accident or is that just a coincidence? The few > times a year she does get sick it's always the same: high fever, > closed off sinuses (completely), and drainage down the back of her > throat. Now I do believe the problems w/her sinuses is a result of > the trauma but could the next pain she is experiencing in her neck > also be? > I would appreciate anyone's thoughts or comments. > > TaMara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Hi Tamara Perhaps you could find an experienced cranio-sacral therapist in your area. This kind of work is unrelated to TCM (as far as I know) ..but a good practitioner will be able to manipulate the childs skull and facial bones to do some correcting. If imaging shows no damage, a gentle adjustment to the cranium, zygomatic arches, etc. might just do the trick. It worked absolute wonders for me when nothing else would. Good luck. TH TaMara <advocare1210 wrote: I do hope someone can help me out. I have an appointment w/my TCM doc in a few weeks but in the mean time I'm trying to figure this out. My 9yr old daughter is complaining of a sore neck. She has complained about this pain since she was 4yrs old. It always seems to be worse at night but she says that it hurts all the time. Her pediatrician took an x-ray and that came back normal. Our TCM doc did acupuncture on her and she said it helped a little but did not take the pain away completely. She does not complain of headaches or anything else and she is a completely normal healthy child. We have tried just about every sleeping pillow and squishy pillow under the sun and nothing seems to work. One thing does come to mind, when she was about 7months old she pulled a solid wooden highchair down on top of her and it landed across the bridge of her nose. The pain she is complaining about now is directly in the back of her head in the GB-20 area at the base of her skull. Could the pain be a result of that accident or is that just a coincidence? The few times a year she does get sick it's always the same: high fever, closed off sinuses (completely), and drainage down the back of her throat. Now I do believe the problems w/her sinuses is a result of the trauma but could the next pain she is experiencing in her neck also be? I would appreciate anyone's thoughts or comments. TaMara Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hi TaMara, I second that a chiropractor might help. My chiropractor described a time when his daughter tripped and fell, and had breathing problems after that. He gave her an adjustment and the wheezing went away. Also, you asked whether or not a bump on the head could effect her neck .. . . my chiro always said that if you get trauma anywhere on the spinal system you can have problems elsewhere. Something like the domino effect or a ping pong effect. Simple physics. I imagine that a chiropractor wouldn't think of it as a stretch at all. If you live in a large city, perhaps you can find a chiro with a children's practice. We have several who do, where I live. Zenisis hyldemoer wrote: >Hi TaMara, >If the Western dr. and acupuncturist couldn't find anything >by their testing methods, its not directly Chinese med >oriented, but have you tried chiropractics? > >I would also supplement therapy with some Jin Shin Do >because JSD starts and ends the sessions doing a " neck release " . > >Because your daughter might have been accomodating >an imbalance for a large part of her life, perhaps some >Feldenkrais lessons (the 2 of you could take them together.) >might be good for movement retraining and additional >therapeutic support. > >Penel > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Tamara: There is a doctor in Hong Kong, who also runs a school in Guangzhou, who teaches TCM spinal adjustments. She has a number of international students who have graduated from her school, and her son does publicity tours of the US now and then. So, this is indeed part of TCM but not widely known. It really is quite important. Jack --- Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah wrote: > Hi Tamara > > Perhaps you could find an experienced > cranio-sacral therapist in your area. This kind of > work is unrelated to TCM (as far as I know) ..but a > good practitioner will be able to manipulate the > childs skull and facial bones to do some correcting. > If imaging shows no damage, a gentle adjustment to > the cranium, zygomatic arches, etc. might just do > the trick. It worked absolute wonders for me when > nothing else would. Good luck. > TH > > TaMara <advocare1210 wrote: > I do hope someone can help me out. I have an > appointment w/my TCM > doc in a few weeks but in the mean time I'm trying > to figure this > out. > > My 9yr old daughter is complaining of a sore neck. > She has > complained about this pain since she was 4yrs old. > It always seems > to be worse at night but she says that it hurts all > the time. Her > pediatrician took an x-ray and that came back > normal. Our TCM doc > did acupuncture on her and she said it helped a > little but did not > take the pain away completely. She does not > complain of headaches > or anything else and she is a completely normal > healthy child. We > have tried just about every sleeping pillow and > squishy pillow under > the sun and nothing seems to work. One thing does > come to mind, > when she was about 7months old she pulled a solid > wooden highchair > down on top of her and it landed across the bridge > of her nose. The > pain she is complaining about now is directly in the > back of her > head in the GB-20 area at the base of her skull. > Could the pain be > a result of that accident or is that just a > coincidence? The few > times a year she does get sick it's always the same: > high fever, > closed off sinuses (completely), and drainage down > the back of her > throat. Now I do believe the problems w/her sinuses > is a result of > the trauma but could the next pain she is > experiencing in her neck > also be? > I would appreciate anyone's thoughts or comments. > > TaMara > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: > Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 In Japan these techniques are called Seitai. Many subluxations are subtle, and would not show on regular xrays, some involve muscles and soft-tissues, and are detected by a trained therapist, osteopathy, cranio-sacral therapy, are interestic choices for your daughter's problem Tamara. Marcos --- Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy escreveu: > Tamara: > > There is a doctor in Hong Kong, who also runs a school > in Guangzhou, who teaches TCM spinal adjustments. She > has a number of international students who have > graduated from her school, and her son does publicity > tours of the US now and then. > > So, this is indeed part of TCM but not widely known. > It really is quite important. > > Jack > > --- Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah wrote: > > > Hi Tamara > > > > Perhaps you could find an experienced > > cranio-sacral therapist in your area. This kind of > > work is unrelated to TCM (as far as I know) ..but a > > good practitioner will be able to manipulate the > > childs skull and facial bones to do some correcting. > > If imaging shows no damage, a gentle adjustment to > > the cranium, zygomatic arches, etc. might just do > > the trick. It worked absolute wonders for me when > > nothing else would. Good luck. > > TH > > > > TaMara <advocare1210 wrote: > > I do hope someone can help me out. I have an > > appointment w/my TCM > > doc in a few weeks but in the mean time I'm trying > > to figure this > > out. > > > > My 9yr old daughter is complaining of a sore neck. > > She has > > complained about this pain since she was 4yrs old. > > It always seems > > to be worse at night but she says that it hurts all > > the time. Her > > pediatrician took an x-ray and that came back > > normal. Our TCM doc > > did acupuncture on her and she said it helped a > > little but did not > > take the pain away completely. She does not > > complain of headaches > > or anything else and she is a completely normal > > healthy child. We > > have tried just about every sleeping pillow and > > squishy pillow under > > the sun and nothing seems to work. One thing does > > come to mind, > > when she was about 7months old she pulled a solid > > wooden highchair > > down on top of her and it landed across the bridge > > of her nose. The > > pain she is complaining about now is directly in the > > back of her > > head in the GB-20 area at the base of her skull. > > Could the pain be > > a result of that accident or is that just a > > coincidence? The few > > times a year she does get sick it's always the same: > > high fever, > > closed off sinuses (completely), and drainage down > > the back of her > > throat. Now I do believe the problems w/her sinuses > > is a result of > > the trauma but could the next pain she is > > experiencing in her neck > > also be? > > I would appreciate anyone's thoughts or comments. > > > > TaMara > > > _____ doce lar. Faça do sua homepage. http://br./homepageset.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 hi TaMara My e-mail dotaman was bouncing from Chinese Traditional Medicine I have to use my other e-mail address, you can repost my message to the group Mysteriuos neck pain in a child May be there are connections from the accident when your daughter was 7 months old (a wooden highchair down on her top ad landed across the bridge of her nose) to the sinusitis she get few times a year and the mysterious neck pain. Here how they related: 1.The accident may cause some damage to sphenoid bone behind nose bridge which very hard to detect because the mucous membrane and other soft tissues swell quickly. 2. Later on, CHRONIC SPHENOID SINUSITIS may develop and the PAIN produced by sphenoid sinusitis doesn't occur in well- defined areas and may be felt in the front or BACK OF THE HEAD ( Merck Manual of Medical information/home edition) If it is the case we can have explanations to other facts: A. " Pain hurts all the time but seem to be worse at night " when she sleeps at night the discharge from sinuses put more pressue on her neck and back head but it will be reduced when she walk around by gravity ? B.Since the real problem is Sphenoid Sinusitis (?) sleeping & Squyshy pillows won;t work and if Acupuncture only focus on neck pain it only help a little. Before we can have any solid comments there are still more importants questions to be addressed: 1. Pain:* pinching, stabbling, radiant etc.. ? * both sides or one side of neck ? * it happens at same or different areas ? * Any relations between Sinusitis and the severity & location of pain ? 2. Did pediatrician prescribed any pain medications ? if yes how it help ? 3. Any treatments from Dr when both her sinuses clogged off and high fever ? 4. How pain affects daily life and how she tolerate it ? Here some suggestions: a. on next visit to TCM Dr give all informations you have,TCM works from ROOT of the problems b.In appropriate time, it is wise to have kid to see her pediatrician to check all over again to rule out sphenoid sinusitis or any problems of surrounding areas because when high fever comes with sinusitis it means infection has spread beyond sinuses. c. If neck pain is still mysterious for 5 years but one sure thing you and your Dr can work together to reduce the frequency & severity of sinusitis ,when the kid is free of this problem I hope the neck pain will go away. it is hard to see a little girl endures neck pain for 5 year if you try every thing but the pain still there contact me later may be I can help (free of charge) I am a pharmacist but also a Medical Qigong Master. I helped a lot of patients back to their normal life when all other means failed and most of them were referred to me by health care professionals here the letter from one of them " I have injury to right upper arm from laceration to muscle and tendon causing permanent scar tissue & degeneration arthritis, after Mr. BD focused Energy thru his index finger directing beam of Energy directly to my arm, I soon beging to feel a tingling in my arm ( like magnetic ). after one treatment , without touching or using anything but Energy, I feel almost 100% pian & ache relief. TJ August/1999 Best Wish BD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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