Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Greetings: Has anyone heard of any tonics or soups given this name in TCM? ...Thanks, Twyla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 One of the greatest herbs ever discovered by man is - Gou Qi Zi - Lycium (Fructus lycii) - also called Chinese Wolfberry. This small, red, sweet berry is revered by the Chinese and is used in thousands of ways in cooking (from soups to syrups) - the good quality Gou Qi Zi is delicious and is used by many throughout the world as a snack. It is used widely in TCM medical formulas for several of it's unique qualities - one of the most famous Lycium formulas is called Lycium Formula or Return to Youth Formula. It is one of the few vegetable substances that can build the Jing . Therfore it is widely used by vegetarians to help build Kidney function. It is a very widely studied Herb and has been used for many things - including building general Immune function. It is considwered a Superior tonic hherb equal to Ginseng, Eleuthro,Cordyceps, Schizandra, gynostemma, etc. there is a fad in China and Japan amongst young people to increase energy (including sex energy)with Lycium formulas - several new 'popular' formulas have come out in recent years. It is a premier antiaging substance. I have taken a combination Lycium and Schizandra tea most every day for years and consider it essential to my heaalth maintanance. Mentioning fads - another fad in the Orient is the taking of many new formulas using Ma Yi - Polyrachis ant - this is a powerful tonic that is being widely studied in the orient now because of it's amazing rejuvanitive qualaties. The best quality ants are the Chiangbai Mountain ants. I often reccomend these ants to people who need powerful support but can not take warm or hot substancesa as the energy of these ants is Neutral although they can be stimulating in large doses. They have an amazing (well researched) ability to rebuild the adrenal glands and I always use them when helping people to come off of synthetic HRT therapy. This is a medicine with a lot of bang for the buck - even though it may not be cheap - make sure to get it from a reliable source - there is a lot of fraud in this area because it has become so popular in the Orient so it is suffering an 'overpriced' phase - but still it is not that expensive - and is an excellant adaptogen, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Hi Vinod thank you so much....i am aware of gou qi zi...i am not clear if these are also commonly referred to as red ants... where does one find the Changbai mountain ants? i am in the USA....and would really like to get a hold of this formula...also is there a specific brand of schizandra and gou qi zi tea available or do you just boil your own? Thanks Twyla Vinod Kumar <vinod3x3 wrote: One of the greatest herbs ever discovered by man is - Gou Qi Zi - Lycium (Fructus lycii) - also called Chinese Wolfberry. This small, red, sweet berry is revered by the Chinese and is used in thousands of ways in cooking (from soups to syrups) - the good quality Gou Qi Zi is delicious and is used by many throughout the world as a snack. It is used widely in TCM medical formulas for several of it's unique qualities - one of the most famous Lycium formulas is called Lycium Formula or Return to Youth Formula. It is one of the few vegetable substances that can build the Jing . Therfore it is widely used by vegetarians to help build Kidney function. It is a very widely studied Herb and has been used for many things - including building general Immune function. It is considwered a Superior tonic hherb equal to Ginseng, Eleuthro,Cordyceps, Schizandra, gynostemma, etc. there is a fad in China and Japan amongst young people to increase energy (including sex energy)with Lycium formulas - several new 'popular' formulas have come out in recent years. It is a premier antiaging substance. I have taken a combination Lycium and Schizandra tea most every day for years and consider it essential to my heaalth maintanance. Mentioning fads - another fad in the Orient is the taking of many new formulas using Ma Yi - Polyrachis ant - this is a powerful tonic that is being widely studied in the orient now because of it's amazing rejuvanitive qualaties. The best quality ants are the Chiangbai Mountain ants. I often reccomend these ants to people who need powerful support but can not take warm or hot substancesa as the energy of these ants is Neutral although they can be stimulating in large doses. They have an amazing (well researched) ability to rebuild the adrenal glands and I always use them when helping people to come off of synthetic HRT therapy. This is a medicine with a lot of bang for the buck - even though it may not be cheap - make sure to get it from a reliable source - there is a lot of fraud in this area because it has become so popular in the Orient so it is suffering an 'overpriced' phase - but still it is not that expensive - and is an excellant adaptogen, Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Vinod Kumar " <vinod3x3> wrote: > It is used widely in TCM medical formulas for several of it's unique > qualities - one of the most famous Lycium formulas is called Lycium > Formula or Return to Youth Formula. It is one of the few vegetable > substances that can build the Jing . I wanted to emphasize this since Jing Deficiency is on the rise in many countries - especially the US - because of life style. More and more healers need to be aware of herbs that help Jing (Essence). Here's some additional info about lycii fruits, aka gou qi zi, aka Chinese wolfberry fruit, aka matrimony vine fruit, aka lycium fruit. Its pharmaceutical name is Fructus (fruit of) Lycii. It has a sweet taste, and its thermal energy is neutral (won't aggravate Hot or Cold conditions). It has a special affinity for the Liver, Lung, and Kidneys. Its primary classification is a Blood Tonic Herb. Dan Bensky & Andrew Gamble (Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, Revised Ed., pp. 333-334) have this to say about lycii fruit: " Nourishes and tonifies the Liver and Kidneys: for patterns of yin and blood deficiency with such symptoms as sore back and legs, low-grade abdominal pain, impotence, nocturnal emission, wasting and thirsting disorder, and consumption. Because this herb is neither hot nor cold, it is commonly used in treating Liver and Kidney deficiency. " Note: sore back and knees, impotence, and nocturnal emissions are symptoms of Kidney imbalance. Because its thermal energy is neutral, it won't aggravate Hot or Cold conditions. " Wasting and thirsting " disorders include but are not limited to some cases of diabetes. " Benefits the essence and brightens the eyes: for Liver and Kidney deficiency patterns where the essence and blood are unable to nourish the eyes. Manifestations include dizziness, blurred vision, and dimished visual acuity. " Essense = Jing. A reminder that the Liver " opens into the eyes " . You'll be surprised how often people with Liver imbalance also have eye and vision problems. BTW, " major known ingredients " include betaine, CAROTENE, physalien, thiamine, riboflavin, vitamin C, beta- sitosterol, linoleic acid " . (p. 334.) " Enriches the yin and moistens the Lungs: for consumptive cough. " It's primarily a Blood Tonic herb that also has Yin Tonic and Jing Tonic properties. I found this information under Pharmacological & Clinical Research very interesting considering the rising rates of liver problems these days: " Protective effect on the liver: Water extractions of Fructus Lycii Babbarum (gou qi qi) redued damage to the hepatic cells of mice secondary to exposure to carbon tetrachloride and hastened recovery as measured by liver function studies and histological examination. " A reminder to those new to TCM that names of Organs are capitalized when it's the TCM concept which is being talked about. The organ names are not capitalized when it's the anatomical organ being talked about. In this case the actual liver. Lycii is contraindicated when there is " externally-contacted excess heat patterns " . ( p. 334.) Also in cases where there's " Spleen deficiency with dampness and loose stools. " (p. 334.) This doesn't mean that it can't be used in cases of Spleen deficiency with dampness and loose stools, only that it has to be used cautiously and combined with other herbs which will get around this problem. Trained TCM herbalists will know what to do. Remember, it does have moistening properties ( " Enriches the yin and moistens the Lungs " ). This herb will add moisture, including to bodies which already have Dampness problems. And the Spleen can be hurt by Dampness. Hence, the caution about " Spleen deficiency with dampness and loose stools " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Hi Victoria I am still unclear about this: Is Gou Qi Zi also called " red ants " ? this is important Thx Twyla Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Vinod Kumar " <vinod3x3> wrote: > It is used widely in TCM medical formulas for several of it's unique > qualities - one of the most famous Lycium formulas is called Lycium > Formula or Return to Youth Formula. It is one of the few vegetable > substances that can build the Jing . I wanted to emphasize this since Jing Deficiency is on the rise in many countries - especially the US - because of life style. More and more healers need to be aware of herbs that help Jing (Essence). Here's some additional info about lycii fruits, aka gou qi zi, aka Chinese wolfberry fruit, aka matrimony vine fruit, aka lycium fruit. Its pharmaceutical name is Fructus (fruit of) Lycii. It has a sweet taste, and its thermal energy is neutral (won't aggravate Hot or Cold conditions). It has a special affinity for the Liver, Lung, and Kidneys. Its primary classification is a Blood Tonic Herb. Dan Bensky & Andrew Gamble (Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, Revised Ed., pp. 333-334) have this to say about lycii fruit: " Nourishes and tonifies the Liver and Kidneys: for patterns of yin and blood deficiency with such symptoms as sore back and legs, low-grade abdominal pain, impotence, nocturnal emission, wasting and thirsting disorder, and consumption. Because this herb is neither hot nor cold, it is commonly used in treating Liver and Kidney deficiency. " Note: sore back and knees, impotence, and nocturnal emissions are symptoms of Kidney imbalance. Because its thermal energy is neutral, it won't aggravate Hot or Cold conditions. " Wasting and thirsting " disorders include but are not limited to some cases of diabetes. " Benefits the essence and brightens the eyes: for Liver and Kidney deficiency patterns where the essence and blood are unable to nourish the eyes. Manifestations include dizziness, blurred vision, and dimished visual acuity. " Essense = Jing. A reminder that the Liver " opens into the eyes " . You'll be surprised how often people with Liver imbalance also have eye and vision problems. BTW, " major known ingredients " include betaine, CAROTENE, physalien, thiamine, riboflavin, vitamin C, beta- sitosterol, linoleic acid " . (p. 334.) " Enriches the yin and moistens the Lungs: for consumptive cough. " It's primarily a Blood Tonic herb that also has Yin Tonic and Jing Tonic properties. I found this information under Pharmacological & Clinical Research very interesting considering the rising rates of liver problems these days: " Protective effect on the liver: Water extractions of Fructus Lycii Babbarum (gou qi qi) redued damage to the hepatic cells of mice secondary to exposure to carbon tetrachloride and hastened recovery as measured by liver function studies and histological examination. " A reminder to those new to TCM that names of Organs are capitalized when it's the TCM concept which is being talked about. The organ names are not capitalized when it's the anatomical organ being talked about. In this case the actual liver. Lycii is contraindicated when there is " externally-contacted excess heat patterns " . ( p. 334.) Also in cases where there's " Spleen deficiency with dampness and loose stools. " (p. 334.) This doesn't mean that it can't be used in cases of Spleen deficiency with dampness and loose stools, only that it has to be used cautiously and combined with other herbs which will get around this problem. Trained TCM herbalists will know what to do. Remember, it does have moistening properties ( " Enriches the yin and moistens the Lungs " ). This herb will add moisture, including to bodies which already have Dampness problems. And the Spleen can be hurt by Dampness. Hence, the caution about " Spleen deficiency with dampness and loose stools " . Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah> wrote: > > Hi Victoria > > I am still unclear about this: Is Gou Qi Zi also called " red ants " ? this is important Gou Qi Zi is the Chinese name for Lycii fruit (aka Chinese Wolfberry). Red ants is a different " herb " . They both have some Jing (Essence) tonic properties. Here is some additional info on the red ants: http://www.doctorshealthsupply.com/chineseherbs/herbal_ingredients/an t.htm You also can Google for more info. I used " Chinese medicine red ants " and got several sites. This one looked like one of the most informative and complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Hi Victoria Thanks for clearing that up. I tried the site but the page was not available. I will keep looking. Much appreciate. TH victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon wrote: Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah> wrote: > > Hi Victoria > > I am still unclear about this: Is Gou Qi Zi also called " red ants " ? this is important Gou Qi Zi is the Chinese name for Lycii fruit (aka Chinese Wolfberry). Red ants is a different " herb " . They both have some Jing (Essence) tonic properties. Here is some additional info on the red ants: http://www.doctorshealthsupply.com/chineseherbs/herbal_ingredients/an t.htm You also can Google for more info. I used " Chinese medicine red ants " and got several sites. This one looked like one of the most informative and complete. Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah> wrote: > Thanks for clearing that up. I tried the site but the page was not available. I will keep looking. Much appreciate. http://www.doctorshealthsupply.com/chineseherbs/herbal_ingredients/an > t.htm For some reason broke up the address. That's why you couldn't get the page. http://www.doctorshealthsupply.com/chineseherbs/herbal_ingredients/an t.htm Try this and see if it works. In case breaks it up again, there shouldn't be a > between the an and the t.htm. The t.htm was supposed to be part of the address, but split it off. If it happens again, you'll need to cut and paste the entire address into your brower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Try this link! http://www.qualitychineseherbs.com/store/Stores/qualitychineseherbs/Browse_Item_\ Details.asp?Item_ID=104 & <%=%20Url_String%20% > On 11/20/05, Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah wrote: > > Hi Victoria > > Thanks for clearing that up. I tried the site but the page was not > available. I will keep looking. Much appreciate. > TH > > victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon wrote: > Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla Hoodah > <twylahoodah> wrote: > > > > Hi Victoria > > > > I am still unclear about this: Is Gou Qi Zi also called " red > ants " ? this is important > > Gou Qi Zi is the Chinese name for Lycii fruit (aka Chinese > Wolfberry). Red ants is a different " herb " . They both have some Jing > (Essence) tonic properties. > > Here is some additional info on the red ants: > > http://www.doctorshealthsupply.com/chineseherbs/herbal_ingredients/an > t.htm > > You also can Google for more info. I used " Chinese medicine red > ants " and got several sites. This one looked like one of the most > informative and complete. > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 thanks Domingo You guys are the best....it is exactly what i was looking for! I'll share the story. My daughter who lives on the other side of the country called yesterday to say she dreamt about this ant formula ...she knows nothing about tcm herbs.....but she was told in a dream i needed to be drinking ant soup! the thought of digging up ants from the yard was a little much....but i shall certainly let her know..... god bless you all!! Domingo Pichardo <domingo4tao wrote: Try this link! http://www.qualitychineseherbs.com/store/Stores/qualitychineseherbs/Browse_Item_\ Details.asp?Item_ID=104 & <%=%20Url_String%20% > On 11/20/05, Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah wrote: > > Hi Victoria > > Thanks for clearing that up. I tried the site but the page was not > available. I will keep looking. Much appreciate. > TH > > victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon wrote: > Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla Hoodah > <twylahoodah> wrote: > > > > Hi Victoria > > > > I am still unclear about this: Is Gou Qi Zi also called " red > ants " ? this is important > > Gou Qi Zi is the Chinese name for Lycii fruit (aka Chinese > Wolfberry). Red ants is a different " herb " . They both have some Jing > (Essence) tonic properties. > > Here is some additional info on the red ants: > > http://www.doctorshealthsupply.com/chineseherbs/herbal_ingredients/an > t.htm > > You also can Google for more info. I used " Chinese medicine red > ants " and got several sites. This one looked like one of the most > informative and complete. > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Polyrachis ants in Pinyin are called Ma Yi. This is not the same as Lycium which is a berry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Polyrachis ant formulas of excellent quality in preprepared formulas can be found at Ron Teaguardens site Dragon Herbs. His formulas are not the cheapest but they are well respected for the quality of the herbs he uses. His is one of the only commonly available Ant formulas that uses the Chaingbai ants. Lycium and Schizandra are redily available in bulk in chinese herb shops. The proportions should be about 9gms of Schizandra and from 10-20 gms oof Lycium - add Reishi and red date and one has an excellent formula for afternoon tea - it has all tastes. Generally speaking 9gms of most tonic herbs constitute a dose. My wife uses Lycium and red dates in many recipes. Add a handful of lycium berries to any sweet or savory dish. good afternoon snack is steamed Lycium and Red dates - tasty (but not for those with sugar problems as both of these fruits are sweet). Dragon Herbs has an excellent Lycium and Schizandra extract that has had the active ingre3diants standardized - a little expensive but very convenient to take. Making the Tea is cheap but not so convenient. Read about that formula at Dragon Herbs and it will be clear why this is a widely used product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Vinod Kumar " <vinod3x3> wrote: > It is used widely in TCM medical formulas for several of it's unique > qualities - one of the most famous Lycium formulas is called Lycium > Formula or Return to Youth Formula. It is one of the few vegetable > substances that can build the Jing . Therfore it is widely used by > vegetarians to help build Kidney function. It is a very widely > studied Herb and has been used for many things - including building > general Immune function. It is considwered a Superior tonic hherb > equal to Ginseng, Eleuthro,Cordyceps, Schizandra, gynostemma, etc. Is this also known as Lycium and Rehmannia formula? sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon wrote " > Lycii is contraindicated when there is " externally-contacted excess > heat patterns " . ( p. 334.) Also in cases where there's " Spleen > deficiency with dampness and loose stools. " (p. 334.) This doesn't > mean that it can't be used in cases of Spleen deficiency with > dampness > and loose stools, only that it has to be used cautiously and > combined > with other herbs which will get around this problem. Trained TCM > herbalists will know what to do. Remember, it does have moistening > properties ( " Enriches the yin and moistens the Lungs " ). This herb > will > add moisture, including to bodies which already have Dampness > problems. And the Spleen can be hurt by Dampness. Hence, the > caution > about " Spleen deficiency with dampness and loose stools " . Is there a forumula with Lycium that also contains herbs to counteract this damp forming tendency? Something that would be slightly drying and strengthen the Spleen. sue Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah> wrote: > You guys are the best....it is exactly what i was looking for! I'll share the story. My daughter who lives on the other side of the country called yesterday to say she dreamt about this ant formula ...she knows nothing about tcm herbs.....but she was told in a dream i needed to be drinking ant soup! the thought of digging up ants from the yard was a little much....but i shall certainly let her know..... Getting healing info from dreams is more common than most people realize. In fact, the ancient Greeks had a healing temple where sick people came and had dreams about how to help their conditions. In the morning they would discuss their dreams with the priests. Usually it's the person with the medical condition that gets the dream, though people emotionally close to the person may get the dreams. The ancient Chinese compiled a lot of material on the meaning of dream symbols in diagnosis. Because of differences in cultures and changes in a specific culture over centuries, a lot of the ancient symbolism no longer applies. Dream symbolism also can differ widely from individual to individual. It's what the symbol means to the dreamer, not what a book says it means or usually means. Here are a few of some of the modern ones that pop up from time to time: Being in the bathroom - especially if there are feelings of nausea experienced in the dream - something wrong with the " plumbing " of the body. A series of hairpin turns - the small intestines. A series of right-hand turns in the same direction - the large intestine. Being in a snow storm - especially if one is on a road with a lot of hairpin curves - lactose intolerance and/or milk allergy. Dreams of decay and corpses - large intestine problem or food stagnation somewhere else. Pipes - bones. A large tree - lungs. Being threatened by water - edema. Sometimes the dreams will be highly symbolic; sometimes amazingly literal against a symbolic background. For example, I once dreamed I was in the bathroom. I saw a cup of coffee and immediately felt nauseous and was looking into the bowl of the commode. I stopped drinking coffee the next day. Stopping helped me feel better. There's nothing " ooga-booga " about these dreams. The brain is in touch with every part of the body even while one sleeps, so it's not surprising that some things that are going on in the body and causing distress will be communicated in dreams. As for others having these dreams, it's fairly common for problem solving to be done by the subconscious. For example, a chemist who was trying to figure out the structure of the benzene molecule got help from a dream in which he dreamed of a snake grasping its tail in its mouth. (Benzene has a ring structure. Until this chemist solved the problem, no one had thought of some molecules having a ring structure.) The inventor of the sewing machine got dream help in the form of a dream which led him to put the hole in the tip of the needle instead of in the base (as he had been trying to make work and couldn't). Some of the people who have talent, aptitude, and an interest in healing are going to get healing info in their dreams. The subconscious notices and holds a lot that the conscious mind may not be aware of. In some people this subconscious or semi-conscious knowledge gets shifted through, sorted, extracted, and presented to the person in a dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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