on edema, focus on deficiency edema

[Guest guest]

> off topic........what are some ways to deal with starvation edema?

> neophyte, Michelle

 

Through the centuries many different ways to categorize edemas were

invented

with classic systems like

-four edemas: wind-, skin-, upright/real/steady-, stone-edema

-water-stage and blood-stage edema in womens diseases

-5-Zang-Organs edema (heart-edema, liver-edema etc)

- 10-edemas (5-organs with added differentiation)

 

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TCM differentiates edema from: Ascites (edema:first in face and

limbs, severe cases: whole body; ascites: swollen tummy), Zhi-yin

(branch-fluids), Yi-yin (overflowing-fluids). With Yin(fluid) disease

there is first breathing difficulties then edema; edema has water

first, then breathing difficulties.

 

now it goes like:

1) Yang-edema

as wind, damp-evil are locking the systems --- edema can develop in

the main-meridians and side-meridians, the (real materialistic) inner

organs --- use diaphoretic and diuretic principle --- spread and

expel watery fluids --- lung in focus

....

a) wind-water overflowing

b) ulcer toxins entering inwards

c) water dampness accumulation

d) damp-heat intermixed and knotted

.....

 

starving edema would be found in the following main category,

originating from malnutrition, wasting-syndrome, congenital

deficiencies etc

 

2) Yin-edema

the zang-fu-system itself is malfunctioning --- water and turbid

matter is blocked in the interior --- warm the spleen tonify the

kidney to maintain and support the zang-fu-system --- focus on spleen

and kidney

....

a) spleen lost its water guiding capability

(spleen-stomach yang deficiency with cold in the middle, can't

transport and transform the bodyfluids anymore)

<more subcategories here>

 

b) kidney deficiency water overflowing

<more subcategories here>

c) kidney qi lost its transforming capability

<more subcategories here>

d) spleen and kidney deficiency leads to blood and qi derangement

<more subcategories here>

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recipes with spleen disfunction in focus:

wu-ling-san (powder consisting of the 5 ingredients with ling in

their names)

wei-ling-san (stomach and ling-named-ingredients powder)

wu-pi-yin (potion with five peals in it)

shi-pi-san (the fill/stuff the spleen powder)

shen-ling-bai-zhu-san (wink, wink, analyse this one as a water-spleen

disease standard, add humidifying/drying/phlegm/stasis/kidney etc

herbals to this one at your liking)

zhen-wu-tang (true-warrior-decoction)

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The water-edema-influence ((I often translate Qi as influence)) is a

Yin-evil, so it often damages the Yang-Qi, thats why often Qi and

Yang and spleen and kidneys have to be treated. Use dredging and

diuretics, dispersing, eliminating herbs cautiously as they damage

and dissolve yin and qi in the long run)

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uuuh...what was the question again?

[Guest guest]

Michelle, our deepest sympathies to you and your family.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Michelle, my deepest sympathies to you.

 

I'm here as are others if you need to talk.

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark "

<michellec@n...> wrote:

>

> this is pretty technical for a neophyte, but thank you for the

attempt. I'm touched. It is all moot now,...my husband has passed

on. Thank you, though.

[Guest guest]

Mostly howling. Thank you,

Michelle

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victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:01 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: on edema, focus on deficiency edema

 

 

Michelle, my deepest sympathies to you.

 

I'm here as are others if you need to talk.

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark "

<michellec@n...> wrote:

>

> this is pretty technical for a neophyte, but thank you for the

attempt. I'm touched. It is all moot now,...my husband has passed

on. Thank you, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you.

Michelle

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Remediesbyrabiah

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Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:02 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: on edema, focus on deficiency edema

 

 

Michelle, our deepest sympathies to you and your family.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Michelle

 

nieema and family here.

Our prayers are for you and with you.

May the comfort of knowing be there for you.

 

If there is anything I can do, please ask, now or

later.

 

nieema

[Guest guest]

thank you Nieema

Michelle

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nieema

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Friday, November 18, 2005 10:47 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: on edema, focus on deficiency edema

 

 

Michelle

 

nieema and family here.

Our prayers are for you and with you.

May the comfort of knowing be there for you.

 

If there is anything I can do, please ask, now or

later.

 

nieema

 

 

 

 

 

 

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