Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 I would recommend cooking them. They are about like eating raw potatoes, difficult to digest. They are, I think, though, eaten in small amount on salads, grated. If you worry about nutritional loss from cooking, you can save the juices and make a really good sauce with them. Chinese Traditional Medicine , Becky <bsalibrici> wrote: > > > I bought some beets and wondered if I should eat them raw. This is an item I found on a google: > > > > http://www.eastwestnutrition.com/pdf/rawfood.pdf > > > > > > " Our beloved alternative crossover doctor, Andrew Weil MD, tells us in his book Eating > > Well for Optimum Health, that micronutrients are in fact less absorptable when vegetables are eaten uncooked. Even Traditional Chinese Medical philosophy teaches that too much raw or cold food, begins to put out the digestive fire eventually leading to digestive insufficiency and disease. This digestive insufficiency leads to weaknesses in what Paul Pitchford says the Eastern Indians call ojas, resulting in excessive anger. " > > > > I saw Dr. Weil on Larry King Live recently. He mentioned in his own words something to the effect that it is unfortunate western medicine does not include the energy aspects of TCM, being beyond conventional proof. The quote above, really makes me even more curious about the good doctor. > > > > Last week I enjoyed lentil and brown rice soup made with home-made (fat removed) chicken broth, with chopped fresh rosemary, chopped garlic, a touch of olive oil, a sprinkle of sea salt and chopped parsley. It's not as simple-good as Mom used to make, but I tolerated it very well. > > > > Unfortunately, I now have hernias on the left side covering the small intestines. General surgery is forthcoming. I'm actually concerned about intra-adbominal sepsis ... but all I can do is keep taking glutamine to strengthen intestinal lining, keep eating grapefruits & seeds with pumpkin seeds as intestinal antiseptic, ... etc. > > > > I had about 2 months of 'high' energy, after my inactivity due to restricted neck movements from nausea, etc. For 1-1/2 years I've beem mainly used my torso to turn my head, especially when driving. Now, I'm back to restricted movements due to abdomenal pain. ...sigh..... > > > > I tried pedaling today on my stationary bike. Back in September I was back up to about 40 min or longer at higher tensions, no problem, and it felt great. Today, I had to force myself to go for barely 10 minutes, and my upper legs hurt to the core! what is happening to me?? > > > > D.O said (i thought rather sarcastically) what makes me think I have leaky gut. I put my head down and replied , because i'm stupid. I did not have the energy to counter him. I apologized for being sarcastic and proceeded to talk about my flatulence and told him I was taking glutamine. At the end of the visit he actually told me to continue taking it, that it couldn't hurt me. > > > > So, I do have a mild headache today, but who knows why. There is purple vein-like coloring beneath b.button, and I can feel the rips in the muscle all around my 2-yr old scar. Nothing has come thru yet. I will have the surgery because I want it repaired, probably next year. > > > > Becky > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Yea, in China, we boil vegetables and use the water to make vegetable soups for drinking all the time. Of course, be careful it is not those salty vegetable dishes with the " salty eggs " added that you get in a chinese restaurant, but ones probably home-made with little salt added and other ingredients like skinny meat and mixed veggies and even herbs added, to make a healthy tasty soup. On 11/13/05, lincolnproducts <lincolnproducts wrote: > > I would recommend cooking them. They are about like eating raw > potatoes, difficult to digest. > They are, I think, though, eaten in small amount on salads, grated. > If you worry about nutritional loss from cooking, you can save the > juices and make a really good sauce with them. > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , Becky <bsalibrici> wrote: > > > > > > I bought some beets and wondered if I should eat them raw. This is > an item I found on a google: > > > > > > > > http://www.eastwestnutrition.com/pdf/rawfood.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Our beloved alternative crossover doctor, Andrew Weil MD, tells us > in his book Eating > > > > Well for Optimum Health, that micronutrients are in fact less > absorptable when vegetables are eaten uncooked. Even Traditional > Chinese Medical philosophy teaches that too much raw or cold food, > begins to put out the digestive fire eventually leading to digestive > insufficiency and disease. This digestive insufficiency leads to > weaknesses in what Paul Pitchford says the Eastern Indians call ojas, > resulting in excessive anger. " > > > > > > > > I saw Dr. Weil on Larry King Live recently. He mentioned in his > own words something to the effect that it is unfortunate western > medicine does not include the energy aspects of TCM, being beyond > conventional proof. The quote above, really makes me even more > curious about the good doctor. > > > > > > > > Last week I enjoyed lentil and brown rice soup made with home-made > (fat removed) chicken broth, with chopped fresh rosemary, chopped > garlic, a touch of olive oil, a sprinkle of sea salt and chopped > parsley. It's not as simple-good as Mom used to make, but I > tolerated it very well. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I now have hernias on the left side covering the > small intestines. General surgery is forthcoming. I'm actually > concerned about intra-adbominal sepsis ... but all I can do is keep > taking glutamine to strengthen intestinal lining, keep eating > grapefruits & seeds with pumpkin seeds as intestinal antiseptic, ... > etc. > > > > > > > > I had about 2 months of 'high' energy, after my inactivity due to > restricted neck movements from nausea, etc. For 1-1/2 years I've > beem mainly used my torso to turn my head, especially when driving. > Now, I'm back to restricted movements due to abdomenal > pain. ...sigh..... > > > > > > > > I tried pedaling today on my stationary bike. Back in September I > was back up to about 40 min or longer at higher tensions, no problem, > and it felt great. Today, I had to force myself to go for barely 10 > minutes, and my upper legs hurt to the core! what is happening to > me?? > > > > > > > > D.O said (i thought rather sarcastically) what makes me think I > have leaky gut. I put my head down and replied , because i'm > stupid. I did not have the energy to counter him. I apologized for > being sarcastic and proceeded to talk about my flatulence and told > him I was taking glutamine. At the end of the visit he actually told > me to continue taking it, that it couldn't hurt me. > > > > > > > > So, I do have a mild headache today, but who knows why. There is > purple vein-like coloring beneath b.button, and I can feel the rips > in the muscle all around my 2-yr old scar. Nothing has come thru > yet. I will have the surgery because I want it repaired, probably > next year. > > > > > > > > Becky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Becky, My experience with making beet juice for liver cleansing is that it will induce diarrhea if a large amount is consumed... given your condition of apparent intestinal problems I would suggest that you stay away from beets, cooked or otherwise! Why did you buy the beets in the first place? Is this something you eat cooked on a regular basis or was this a therapeutic suggestion? In the flow, Domingo On 11/13/05, Becky <bsalibrici wrote: > > > I bought some beets and wondered if I should eat them raw. This is an item > I found on a google: > > > > http://www.eastwestnutrition.com/pdf/rawfood.pdf > > > > > > " Our beloved alternative crossover doctor, Andrew Weil MD, tells us in his > book Eating > > Well for Optimum Health, that micronutrients are in fact less absorptable > when vegetables are eaten uncooked. Even Traditional Chinese Medical > philosophy teaches that too much raw or cold food, begins to put out the > digestive fire eventually leading to digestive insufficiency and disease. > This digestive insufficiency leads to weaknesses in what Paul Pitchford says > the Eastern Indians call ojas, resulting in excessive anger. " > > > > I saw Dr. Weil on Larry King Live recently. He mentioned in his own words > something to the effect that it is unfortunate western medicine does not > include the energy aspects of TCM, being beyond conventional proof. The > quote above, really makes me even more curious about the good doctor. > > > > Last week I enjoyed lentil and brown rice soup made with home-made (fat > removed) chicken broth, with chopped fresh rosemary, chopped garlic, a touch > of olive oil, a sprinkle of sea salt and chopped parsley. It's not as > simple-good as Mom used to make, but I tolerated it very well. > > > > Unfortunately, I now have hernias on the left side covering the small > intestines. General surgery is forthcoming. I'm actually concerned about > intra-adbominal sepsis ... but all I can do is keep taking glutamine to > strengthen intestinal lining, keep eating grapefruits & seeds with pumpkin > seeds as intestinal antiseptic, ... etc. > > > > I had about 2 months of 'high' energy, after my inactivity due to > restricted neck movements from nausea, etc. For 1-1/2 years I've beem mainly > used my torso to turn my head, especially when driving. Now, I'm back to > restricted movements due to abdomenal pain. ...sigh..... > > > > I tried pedaling today on my stationary bike. Back in September I was back > up to about 40 min or longer at higher tensions, no problem, and it felt > great. Today, I had to force myself to go for barely 10 minutes, and my > upper legs hurt to the core! what is happening to me?? > > > > D.O said (i thought rather sarcastically) what makes me think I have leaky > gut. I put my head down and replied , because i'm stupid. I did not have the > energy to counter him. I apologized for being sarcastic and proceeded to > talk about my flatulence and told him I was taking glutamine. At the end of > the visit he actually told me to continue taking it, that it couldn't hurt > me. > > > > So, I do have a mild headache today, but who knows why. There is purple > vein-like coloring beneath b.button, and I can feel the rips in the muscle > all around my 2-yr old scar. Nothing has come thru yet. I will have the > surgery because I want it repaired, probably next year. > > > > Becky > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Becky, This is really very sad, but not that unusual regarding the medical establishment these days! What part of the country(I am assuming you are in the USA) are you from? Are there any local naturopathic doctors in your area? Your local health food store might be a good place to look for that.You need to make a serious effort to look for a holistic health practitioner... in my opinion treating one condition at a time is not the bet approach in cases where the entire body is showing signs of break down! You need professional help on a personal basis... please don't waste any time with trial and error things that people tell you might work! Please keep us informed of what you find out! Good Luck, Domingo On 11/14/05, Becky <bsalibrici wrote: > > Hi Domingo, > I usually keep canned whole beets in my cupboard, and I do eat them > occasionally. A friend on an alternative cancer support group claims to be > in total remission of stage 4 kidney cancer using only alternative means > including, mainly, juicing. At this point tho, he commented that he never > wants to see another beet! > > Drs have not ruled out metastasis yet. Lymphoma was suggested, as was > sarcoid, then the liver lesions diagnosed with possible metastasis, and > positive on uterine pap with thickened walls. Of course, my abdomen is all > messed up with odd colorings, flatulence and now hernias at the fat graft of > my prior surgery, and I have spider webs under both rib cages and on my > ankles. > > I am afraid of cancer! I want it to reverse and/or prevent it. After all, > I lost a left vertebral artery over the past almost 2 years ('totally > occluded' now noted as 'missing'). None of the abcess was removed because it > was not definitively dx'd until it was too late (about 8 months after I > started crying about a blood flow problem). What a mess for any dr to open > up, which I was hoping would happen (open me up, decompress the vessel, and > fix the bone). No dr one wanted to take that risk. No dr wanted to even > treat me because I had a prior surgery before which I had none of these > symptoms. i was even told in reply to " I want treatment " --- " not if we can > help it " > > So, I'm thinking of things on my own to prevent or cure cancer I have > more than 1 problem at the present time, which has/is evolving. > > Becky > p.s. if i were a dr who made an honest mistake i would correct it and take > responsibility for it. that's what people pay insurance for if it comes to > that. the way i was treated after the fact is absolutely reproachful. i have > no respect for that. i begged for help from the surgeons, stating i didn't > care how it happened and thanking them for things that could have gone wrong > but didn't. instead i was insulted horribly. these are highly > regarded/respected men!!!!!!!!! > > Domingo Pichardo <domingo4tao wrote: > Becky, > My experience with making beet juice for liver cleansing is that it will > induce diarrhea if a large amount is consumed... given your condition of > apparent intestinal problems I would suggest that you stay away from > beets, > cooked or otherwise! > Why did you buy the beets in the first place? Is this something you eat > cooked on a regular basis or was this a therapeutic suggestion? > In the flow, > Domingo > > On 11/13/05, Becky wrote: > > > > > > I bought some beets and wondered if I should eat them raw. This is an > item > > I found on a google: > > > > > > > > http://www.eastwestnutrition.com/pdf/rawfood.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Our beloved alternative crossover doctor, Andrew Weil MD, tells us in > his > > book Eating > > > > Well for Optimum Health, that micronutrients are in fact less > absorptable > > when vegetables are eaten uncooked. Even Traditional Chinese Medical > > philosophy teaches that too much raw or cold food, begins to put out the > > digestive fire eventually leading to digestive insufficiency and > disease. > > This digestive insufficiency leads to weaknesses in what Paul Pitchford > says > > the Eastern Indians call ojas, resulting in excessive anger. " > > > > > > > > I saw Dr. Weil on Larry King Live recently. He mentioned in his own > words > > something to the effect that it is unfortunate western medicine does not > > include the energy aspects of TCM, being beyond conventional proof. The > > quote above, really makes me even more curious about the good doctor. > > > > > > > > Last week I enjoyed lentil and brown rice soup made with home-made (fat > > removed) chicken broth, with chopped fresh rosemary, chopped garlic, a > touch > > of olive oil, a sprinkle of sea salt and chopped parsley. It's not as > > simple-good as Mom used to make, but I tolerated it very well. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I now have hernias on the left side covering the small > > intestines. General surgery is forthcoming. I'm actually concerned about > > intra-adbominal sepsis ... but all I can do is keep taking glutamine to > > strengthen intestinal lining, keep eating grapefruits & seeds with > pumpkin > > seeds as intestinal antiseptic, ... etc. > > > > > > > > I had about 2 months of 'high' energy, after my inactivity due to > > restricted neck movements from nausea, etc. For 1-1/2 years I've beem > mainly > > used my torso to turn my head, especially when driving. Now, I'm back to > > restricted movements due to abdomenal pain. ...sigh..... > > > > > > > > I tried pedaling today on my stationary bike. Back in September I was > back > > up to about 40 min or longer at higher tensions, no problem, and it felt > > great. Today, I had to force myself to go for barely 10 minutes, and my > > upper legs hurt to the core! what is happening to me?? > > > > > > > > D.O said (i thought rather sarcastically) what makes me think I have > leaky > > gut. I put my head down and replied , because i'm stupid. I did not have > the > > energy to counter him. I apologized for being sarcastic and proceeded to > > talk about my flatulence and told him I was taking glutamine. At the end > of > > the visit he actually told me to continue taking it, that it couldn't > hurt > > me. > > > > > > > > So, I do have a mild headache today, but who knows why. There is purple > > vein-like coloring beneath b.button, and I can feel the rips in the > muscle > > all around my 2-yr old scar. Nothing has come thru yet. I will have the > > surgery because I want it repaired, probably next year. > > > > > > > > Becky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 I would like to echo Domingo's suggestion to Becky - serious disease process by definition needs an Advisor. When an individual finds themselves in serious pain, suffering, and deterioration this means life has gotten out of one's control - what has been tried has not been scientific and has either not worked or works in a limited way - in the meantime the serious underlying processes keep developing. This must be stopped. This is not the time for experimentaion. Try to find someone who knows what to do and is not just guessing. I know that finding a qualified practioner can be difficult especially for those living in certain parts of the country. But really doing nothing is better than wasting time and money doing things that will not work and may be harmful because of contraindications. According to me 'doing nothing' means eating a simple diet of rice, vegetables, fruit (all cooked) and if vegetarian - beans and tofu - if one eats meat but suffers from a disease then eat it in small quantities and only every other day. The reasons for why most sick people should not eat a raw food diet are complicated - suffice it to say that the Chinese feed warm soupy easily digested foods for sick people - not raw food. there is a part of the raw food system that is very valid but for healthy people living in tropical climates - not sick people living in the temperate and cold zones. Do not overextend yourself take it easy. If one takes alcohol and or recreational drugs then this must be stopped!!!! Wish I had time to go into this subject because it is one of my favorites - My approach to diet is related to the theory of constitutional types - meaning that each type will have different diseases and different ways of treating them. To heal disease with diet therpay one needs to know the science involved. but just keeping it simple will be very helpful. The more toxins we ingest or create the more breakdown our organs will suffer - relieve the stress on the organs and they will reward you with better functioning. Study of Five Element TCM will expain why diet is individual there is no one size fits all - I have seen seriously ill people totally recover by coming to understand how to live and eat (without medicines or Doctors)- simple approach is the only answer many have who do not understand the science of health and disease and do not have access to a true Healer. Dr. Vinod Kumar By the way Becky and others who have written to my personal address - I am sorry that I have nothing personal to offer you - I wish I did but it is impossible to analyze cases through the Internet - plus I simply do not have time to answer personal mail. I am not in clinical practice now - I am retired (whatever that means)- therefore no one can meet me for a consultation. I am mainly retired now and spend most of the year traveling - i have spent the summer in Mexico - where I conducted two retreats for professionals - now I am in Japan working on a project with a famous Zen monk who is helping me gather information on the way of life - and death - of Zen Monks and Nuns. I have been studying the dietary and health theories of the Zen monks for two years with the hope of publishing a papaer and maybe even a book on the subject. My wife and I are on our way to India where i will spend the winter with my mother and Father - I hope to finish a biography (in our native language - Malayalam) of my Father - who is the greatest man I ever knew and is a perfect example of the benefits of living a happy healthy life - he is 86. My writings in the Internet aremething i do when I can find the time - and for relaxation and enjoyment, lucikily we live in a time when the Internet is avaialble in every small village - our home town in South India of about 10000 people has about 5 Internet Cafes (maybe more now). so if i do not answer your letters it isn't because I am cold and unfeeling - it is because I trully have nothing to offer anyone here except through encouragement to educate yourself about the laws of disease and health and do what you can to come out of your trial - many before you have been successful - it is like I say in my classes - " healing is everywhere and is natural and easy yet most go on suffering " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 My personal 2 cents; After hearing from a couple teachers of mine complaining about clients trying to survive on a " raw foods " diet even after its proven not to be a diet they could thrive on, I had the opportunity to try some properly prepared " raw foods " . I think the " raw food " diet is probably as misunderstood as vegetarianism in the hands of a teenager who's trying to make a statement by eating only candy bars and diet soda pop and calling themself a vegetarian. Many of the foods in the current " raw foods " diet books have some kind of processing to break down the cell walls for easier assimilation. What gets people into trouble is not spending the energy to learn to put together or time to process a healthy diet of " raw " foods (the same could be said of vegetarianism). A " raw food " diet as its being presented in the current press is not the same as eating only raw salads. Please note, I seriously doubt the " raw food " diets popularized in the press lately would be the same as anything traditionally consumed in China. To extrapolate it to TCM would really necessitate both a good understanding of both TCM and the results of the processes of fabricating a " raw food " meal in terms of TCM theory. Until I have the time to do the later I'll personally reserve what I do know as " raw foods " to only a portion of my current diet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2 more cents; Beets? Eating beets? What's the problem? I love beets. My favorite beet recipe is in a soup. Canned beets are long dead beets. Canned anything isn't worth eating except perhaps beans, even then true quality nutrition might be questionable. Not knowing off hand how one on a " raw food " diet might break down the cell walls of beets to make them easier to digest (though I imagine it would involve a food processor and perhaps a dehydrator), I'd only use cooked beets in an otherwise fresh salad. I love adding raw beets when I make raw vegetable juices. Sorry, I don't see a problem with daily throwing a bowl of vegetables into my Champion juicer for a fresh glass of juice. Could I live on just raw beet juice? or any raw vegetable juice for that matter? No, but it makes more sense (to me) as a vitamin and enzyme supplement than something that's been sitting in a jar at the store or the store's warehouse for months. The cell walls would be broken down for easy digestion. The enzymes would still be alive to supplement digestion. Does anyone see a problem with my logic? Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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