Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Sometimes the tremors and spasms of Interior Wind may not be visisble to an observer - like when there are spasms of the esophagus, stomach, bowels, etc. The client may or may not mention them depending on how severe they are and how often they occur. Sometimes a spasm will be very strong. For example, when the esophagus spasms it can be mistaken for heart palpatations and heart trouble, even a heart attack. Sometimes the spasms in the stomach can be very strong (and attention getting). But sometimes the spasms will be more like a fluttering. BTW, Interior Wind can arise from 3 different Liver imbalances, and the symptoms of each will vary some. For example, when the tremor is very fine or the spasms are flutterings, this points to Blood Deficiency being what gives rises to the tremors and spasms. The tremors and spasms of Interior Wind arising from extreme Heat in the Liver or Liver Yang Rising are much more pronounced than those arising from Blood Deficiency. Likewise, one doesn't see convulsions from Wind arising from Blood Deficiency but can see them in cases of Liver Yang Rising and severe Heat in the Liver. The Liver is most vulnerable to Wind. It's also not real fond of Dampness. Both Wind and Dampness will constrain the Liver and interfere with its proper distribution of Qi. The Blood Stasis gives rise to Liver Wind which restrains the Liver and interferes with the proper flow of Qi. A part of getting really good at diagnosis in TCM is knowing etiologies. How a condition can arise. Textbooks talk like and on here we often talk like all TCM imbalances are going to be standouts and very easy to spot. This isn't always the case. Sometimes the clinical picture is complex and the person has so many problems that the more severe imblances can mask other imbalances and the symptoms could be accounted for by something else. For example the dull pale complexion of Blood Deficiency. But Kidney Yang Deficiency also manifests with a pale though shiny pale complexion. If the Yang Deficiency is severe, the complextion is going to be shiny pale even if Blood Deficiency is present. Other manifestations of Blood Deficiency may also be masked or may not be present when the client is examined. (More on that " may not be present when the client is examined " later because it ties in directly with the symptoms of Interior Wind.) When something isn't a standout and a determination is iffy, this is where knowing etiologies comes in handy. For example, if the person is reporting fluttering in the stomach or other mild internal spasms and spasms, this points to Interior Wind due to Blood Deficiency. Since Interior Wind attacks and restrains the Liver and interferes with proper Qi flow, the Liver imbalance and the Qi Stagnation from Blood Deficiency producing Liver Wind aren't going to clear up until the Blood Deficiency is cleared up. One can give herbs to dredge the Liver and move Qi (and Blood) and have to keep giving them until that Blood Deficiency also is corrected. It's like bailing a boat with a leak in it. Until that leak is fixed, water is going to keep coming into the boat. Until the Blood Deficiency is corrected, the Liver is going to keep being restrained and/or Qi is going to continue to Stagnate. > " Wind is swift and changeable " , (unlike obesity, > I'd add.) And therein lies another clue to spotting Interior Wind. " Swift and changeable " . If a client says something along the lines of " my symptoms come and go, and wax and wane in intensity " , strongly suspect Interior Wind. Also if the client reports symptoms that move around within the trunk of the body. Like for example, " sometimes I have spasms in the esophagus, and sometimes my stomach spasms. " Remember I said that sometimes the client has symptoms that aren't present when the person is examined, and that this ties into Interior Wind? Do they ever! This is one of the things that can make spotting all the imbalances so difficult in a person who has Interior Wind problems. Other comments one may hear from a person with Interior Wind problems is " I never know how I'm going to feel from day to day " (or " moment to moment " in severe cases). So far we haven't gone into obesity and Liver Wind. I mean people who aren't overweight can have the Blood Deficiency > Liver Wind > Liver restrain and/or Qi Stagnation sequence. In a moment we'll get to the obesity part of the equation. What makes Wind particularly troublesome from a health standpoint is how it so readily teams up with other Pernicious Evils to produce problems. Wind readily teams up with Cold, Heat, Damp, and Dryness and can produce some super problems as well as some problems like the common Cold (Invasion by Wind Cold (usually) or Wind Heat. When we're talking about " super " problems, we're talking about PHLEGM. When a problem is hard to diagnose, manifests in some weird ways, and/or doesn't respond to treatment, strongly suspect Phlegm. > " Wind is swift and changeable " , (unlike obesity, > I'd add.) But Phlegm isn't swift and changeable. There are different types of Phlegm depending on what what the Dampness teamed up with. Sometimes the Dampness teams up with Wind and produces Wind Phlegm. One way Wind Phlegm can manisfest is obsity. In fact, usually are obese plus they have " cough and excessive sputum, rattling sound in throat, stale greasy fur, a bowstring slippery pulse. " (C.S. Cheung, Comprehensive Management Phlegm Fluid (Tan Yin), p. 21.) Additional key symptoms can include: " Aversion to wind, cough, dyspnea, expertoration of sputum " Migrating pain of limbs, subcutaneous swellings, numbness, tremor, pruritus, paralysis, aphasia " Mental confusion, aphasia, vertigo, headache " Insantiy, mania, convulsion, epilepsy " (p. 21.) (Note the " can include " . This list of symptoms includes the worst case scenarios as well as the more usual.) The treatment principles according to Cheung are " Dredge Wind and dissolve Phlegm, Extinguish Wind and dissolve Phlegm, Pursue Wind and cleanse Phlegm. " (p. 21.) Note: When treating Phlegm, it's not just a matter of prescribing an herb that attacks, dissolves, cleanses Phlegm. The Pernicious Evils also have to be treated (note the references to treating Wind) AND in many cases what gave rise to the Perncious Evil. (Lots of luck treating Wind Phlegm due to Interior Wind due to Blood Deficiency without also treating the Blood Deficiency. It's that bailing the leaky boat without plugging the hole thing again.) (Note: In some cases of treating Phlegm - like Cold Phlegm - the herbs that treat Phlegm don't work that well and may even cause problems. Instead, to clear up Cold Phlegm one has to clear up the Cold.) Flaws's article also give further insight into the role of Liver imbalance and Qi Stagnation in obesity. One possible etiology sequence is Blood Deficiency > Interior Wind > Depressed Liver and/or Qi Stagnation > obesity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 I think I must have misinterpreted your comment r.e. internal wind. I " heard " you as saying that internal wind is a common cause of obesity, whereas you're probably just saying that those who suffer from obesity may have internal wind as well. If I'm still not reading you correctly, what percentage of patients do you see as having internal wind causing obesity? Which symptoms are they typically manifesting? Jeri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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