Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Hallo everyone, These are questions to satisfy my curiosity and hope someone has some input. A while back while on the internet, I was reading about a group of people in Africa. They would have been tribal type people - afraid I can no longer recall the web address. Anyway, these people felt it was important for their children to catch measles as they believed that measles make the children " stronger " . I think I have this right. That it got rid of too much heat in the body. I was wondering if TCM had any thoughts on this or other childhood infections or conditions. When I was young every child had measles and parents actively encouraged a child to catch it by deliberately exposing a child who had not had the disease to a currently infected child. Now it seems this measles is approached with dread and an innoculation is now added to the long list of innoculations that babies start to have at a very young age. Does TCM have anything to say about innoculations in general? Any predictions of future trends of health problems with this. Personally, I find the current practice of multiple innoculations intuitively unsettling though I dont know why, though i do of course understand about the complications of the disease that have been avoided by the innoculation programme. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose4uau " <fatrose@i...> wrote: > > Anyway, these people felt it was important for their children to catch > measles as they believed that measles make the children " stronger " . I > think I have this right. That it got rid of too much heat in the body. > > I was wondering if TCM had any thoughts on this or other childhood > infections or conditions. When I was young every child had measles > and parents actively encouraged a child to catch it by deliberately > exposing a child who had not had the disease to a currently infected > child. Now it seems this measles is approached with dread and an > innoculation is now added to the long list of innoculations that > babies start to have at a very young age. > > Does TCM have anything to say about innoculations in general? Any > predictions of future trends of health problems with this. > Personally, I find the current practice of multiple innoculations > intuitively unsettling though I dont know why, though i do of course > understand about the complications of the disease that have been > avoided by the innoculation programme. Some years ago, I read a book explaining the benefits of acupuncture. The author (a practioner) mentioned measles as being a way to expel accumulated toxins. He didn't say they were accumulated during pregnancy or any of the other things Mrs Barley mentions, but was against vaccinations in general, and measles especially. True some children have died and many have had complications from measles, but with all the vaccines being urged on kids today before they even go to kindergarten, I think they may tend to weaken the immune system rather than strengthen it. If children are exposed to normal viruses and go through the mild illness, their immune systems become stronger and able to withstand many worse illnesses. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 There was discussion a while back on the professonal TCM list started by a TCM acupuncturist who opposed mandatory vaccinations in California. Didn't follow this too closely but the doc didn't want his kids innoculated, for TCM reasons. Regards, Jack --- qiuser <qiuser wrote: > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose4uau " > <fatrose@i...> wrote: > > > > Anyway, these people felt it was important for > their children to catch > > measles as they believed that measles make the > children " stronger " . I > > think I have this right. That it got rid of too > much heat in the body. > > > > I was wondering if TCM had any thoughts on this or > other childhood > > infections or conditions. When I was young every > child had measles > > and parents actively encouraged a child to catch > it by deliberately > > exposing a child who had not had the disease to a > currently infected > > child. Now it seems this measles is approached > with dread and an > > innoculation is now added to the long list of > innoculations that > > babies start to have at a very young age. > > > > Does TCM have anything to say about innoculations > in general? Any > > predictions of future trends of health problems > with this. > > Personally, I find the current practice of > multiple innoculations > > intuitively unsettling though I dont know why, > though i do of course > > understand about the complications of the disease > that have been > > avoided by the innoculation programme. > > Some years ago, I read a book explaining the > benefits of acupuncture. > The author (a practioner) mentioned measles as being > a way to expel > accumulated toxins. He didn't say they were > accumulated during > pregnancy or any of the other things Mrs Barley > mentions, but was > against vaccinations in general, and measles > especially. True some > children have died and many have had complications > from measles, but > with all the vaccines being urged on kids today > before they even go to > kindergarten, I think they may tend to weaken the > immune system rather > than strengthen it. If children are exposed to > normal viruses and go > through the mild illness, their immune systems > become stronger and > able to withstand many worse illnesses. > > sue > > > > > " The ills of the flesh are unknown to the man who absorbs and distributes prana with accuracy. " http://www.geocities.com/mojavecowboy/qimendunjia.htm Qi Men Dun Jia Divination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Sue - others (with more qualifications than I have) think that children who die from measles or have bad complications are chronically malnourished, such as you find in some 3rd-world countries. Makes sense to me. Also, vaccinated children here in N.A. apparently get a non-typical, harsh form of measles. I'd like to get the opinions of various parties as to why some children don't get the measles even when they are not vaccinated; could it be there's nothing to discharge (hard for me to believe)? Come to think of it, there was a doctor (MD) years & years ago who thought that the kids nowadays are so bloody all-'round weak, with or without " benefit " of vaccines that their bodies can't summon up what it takes to expel anything through fever or rash or serious measle-type illnesses, because the strength is just not there. This doctor felt that the basic cause was chemicals in the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Thanks for all the replies on this. So this African tribal wisdom was right. Surprise surprise! The web site also mentioned that health professionals were starting a measles innoculation programme in that area of Africa including the tribe mentioned! I can understand anyone not wishing their child to receive all the innoculations that are given these days as it seems too much. I am not anti innoculations for the very serious diseases but agree that exposure to some viruses help to strengthen the immune system. And I am totally against making it mandatory for reasons of civil liberties if nothing else. So my next question is, is it specifically measles that expels toxins or any fever type conditions that can do this to some extent. Interestingly, my 30 year old son called me two days ago. He had not been innoculated against measles but despite exposure had not caught the disease. He had been suffering from a severe case of flu with all the usual symptoms, hot and cold sweating, aching joints etc etc. The flu had just passed and he said he felt " very very clean " and almost " high " . In fact he felt so high he did not want to eat. Would this indicate that toxins had been expelled with the fevers. He called me just to tell me of these " feelings " as it felt so strange for him. I dont know if these feelings are normal following a fever as I am a " cold " person and have never had a fever my whole adult life! Once again thanks for your help. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Mrs. Barley " <chosenbarley> wrote: > Sue - others (with more qualifications than I have) think that children > who die from measles or have bad complications are chronically > malnourished, such as you find in some 3rd-world countries. Makes > sense to me. Absolutely. Vaccines of any sort are contraindicated for people with a low or compromised immune system. Being malnourished doesn't make for a strong one. > Also, vaccinated children here in N.A. apparently get a > non-typical, harsh form of measles. You mean if they get measles in spite of being vaccinated? > I'd like to get the opinions of various parties as to why some > children don't get the measles even when they are not vaccinated; could > it be there's nothing to discharge (hard for me to believe)? Or.... They have a strong immune system, having been exposed to natural viruses, not vaccines. Come to > think of it, there was a doctor (MD) years & years ago who thought that > the kids nowadays are so bloody all-'round weak, with or > without " benefit " of vaccines that their bodies can't summon up what it > takes to expel anything through fever or rash or serious measle-type > illnesses, because the strength is just not there. This doctor felt > that the basic cause was chemicals in the environment. That would be one cause. It's thought that overvaccination (which we have in this country with children receiving about 30 or so before kindergarten) will weaken, not strengthen the immune system. Exposure to natural viruses through the respiratory system activates the body's immune response much better than when the viruses are put into the blood stream. The body's natural response is to keep those viruses *out* of the blood stream. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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