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Hallo everyone,

 

These are questions to satisfy my curiosity and hope someone has some

input.

 

A while back while on the internet, I was reading about a group of

people in Africa. They would have been tribal type people - afraid I

can no longer recall the web address.

 

Anyway, these people felt it was important for their children to catch

measles as they believed that measles make the children " stronger " . I

think I have this right. That it got rid of too much heat in the body.

 

I was wondering if TCM had any thoughts on this or other childhood

infections or conditions. When I was young every child had measles

and parents actively encouraged a child to catch it by deliberately

exposing a child who had not had the disease to a currently infected

child. Now it seems this measles is approached with dread and an

innoculation is now added to the long list of innoculations that

babies start to have at a very young age.

 

Does TCM have anything to say about innoculations in general? Any

predictions of future trends of health problems with this.

Personally, I find the current practice of multiple innoculations

intuitively unsettling though I dont know why, though i do of course

understand about the complications of the disease that have been

avoided by the innoculation programme.

 

Susan

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose4uau " <fatrose@i...> wrote:

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> Anyway, these people felt it was important for their children to catch

> measles as they believed that measles make the children " stronger " . I

> think I have this right. That it got rid of too much heat in the body.

>

> I was wondering if TCM had any thoughts on this or other childhood

> infections or conditions. When I was young every child had measles

> and parents actively encouraged a child to catch it by deliberately

> exposing a child who had not had the disease to a currently infected

> child. Now it seems this measles is approached with dread and an

> innoculation is now added to the long list of innoculations that

> babies start to have at a very young age.

>

> Does TCM have anything to say about innoculations in general? Any

> predictions of future trends of health problems with this.

> Personally, I find the current practice of multiple innoculations

> intuitively unsettling though I dont know why, though i do of course

> understand about the complications of the disease that have been

> avoided by the innoculation programme.

 

Some years ago, I read a book explaining the benefits of acupuncture.

The author (a practioner) mentioned measles as being a way to expel

accumulated toxins. He didn't say they were accumulated during

pregnancy or any of the other things Mrs Barley mentions, but was

against vaccinations in general, and measles especially. True some

children have died and many have had complications from measles, but

with all the vaccines being urged on kids today before they even go to

kindergarten, I think they may tend to weaken the immune system rather

than strengthen it. If children are exposed to normal viruses and go

through the mild illness, their immune systems become stronger and

able to withstand many worse illnesses.

 

sue

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There was discussion a while back on the professonal

TCM list started by a TCM acupuncturist who opposed

mandatory vaccinations in California.

 

Didn't follow this too closely but the doc didn't want

his kids innoculated, for TCM reasons.

 

Regards, Jack

 

--- qiuser <qiuser wrote:

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose4uau "

> <fatrose@i...> wrote:

> >

> > Anyway, these people felt it was important for

> their children to catch

> > measles as they believed that measles make the

> children " stronger " . I

> > think I have this right. That it got rid of too

> much heat in the body.

> >

> > I was wondering if TCM had any thoughts on this or

> other childhood

> > infections or conditions. When I was young every

> child had measles

> > and parents actively encouraged a child to catch

> it by deliberately

> > exposing a child who had not had the disease to a

> currently infected

> > child. Now it seems this measles is approached

> with dread and an

> > innoculation is now added to the long list of

> innoculations that

> > babies start to have at a very young age.

> >

> > Does TCM have anything to say about innoculations

> in general? Any

> > predictions of future trends of health problems

> with this.

> > Personally, I find the current practice of

> multiple innoculations

> > intuitively unsettling though I dont know why,

> though i do of course

> > understand about the complications of the disease

> that have been

> > avoided by the innoculation programme.

>

> Some years ago, I read a book explaining the

> benefits of acupuncture.

> The author (a practioner) mentioned measles as being

> a way to expel

> accumulated toxins. He didn't say they were

> accumulated during

> pregnancy or any of the other things Mrs Barley

> mentions, but was

> against vaccinations in general, and measles

> especially. True some

> children have died and many have had complications

> from measles, but

> with all the vaccines being urged on kids today

> before they even go to

> kindergarten, I think they may tend to weaken the

> immune system rather

> than strengthen it. If children are exposed to

> normal viruses and go

> through the mild illness, their immune systems

> become stronger and

> able to withstand many worse illnesses.

>

> sue

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Sue - others (with more qualifications than I have) think that children

who die from measles or have bad complications are chronically

malnourished, such as you find in some 3rd-world countries. Makes

sense to me. Also, vaccinated children here in N.A. apparently get a

non-typical, harsh form of measles.

 

I'd like to get the opinions of various parties as to why some

children don't get the measles even when they are not vaccinated; could

it be there's nothing to discharge (hard for me to believe)? Come to

think of it, there was a doctor (MD) years & years ago who thought that

the kids nowadays are so bloody all-'round weak, with or

without " benefit " of vaccines that their bodies can't summon up what it

takes to expel anything through fever or rash or serious measle-type

illnesses, because the strength is just not there. This doctor felt

that the basic cause was chemicals in the environment.

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Thanks for all the replies on this. So this African tribal wisdom was

right. Surprise surprise! The web site also mentioned that health

professionals were starting a measles innoculation programme in that

area of Africa including the tribe mentioned!

 

I can understand anyone not wishing their child to receive all the

innoculations that are given these days as it seems too much. I am

not anti innoculations for the very serious diseases but agree that

exposure to some viruses help to strengthen the immune system. And I

am totally against making it mandatory for reasons of civil liberties

if nothing else.

 

So my next question is, is it specifically measles that expels toxins

or any fever type conditions that can do this to some extent.

Interestingly, my 30 year old son called me two days ago. He had not

been innoculated against measles but despite exposure had not caught

the disease. He had been suffering from a severe case of flu with all

the usual symptoms, hot and cold sweating, aching joints etc etc. The

flu had just passed and he said he felt " very very clean " and

almost " high " . In fact he felt so high he did not want to eat. Would

this indicate that toxins had been expelled with the fevers. He

called me just to tell me of these " feelings " as it felt so strange

for him. I dont know if these feelings are normal following a fever

as I am a " cold " person and have never had a fever my whole adult life!

 

Once again thanks for your help.

 

Susan

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Mrs. Barley "

<chosenbarley> wrote:

> Sue - others (with more qualifications than I have) think that children

> who die from measles or have bad complications are chronically

> malnourished, such as you find in some 3rd-world countries. Makes

> sense to me.

 

Absolutely. Vaccines of any sort are contraindicated for people with a

low or compromised immune system. Being malnourished doesn't make for

a strong one.

 

> Also, vaccinated children here in N.A. apparently get a

> non-typical, harsh form of measles.

 

You mean if they get measles in spite of being vaccinated?

 

> I'd like to get the opinions of various parties as to why some

> children don't get the measles even when they are not vaccinated; could

> it be there's nothing to discharge (hard for me to believe)?

 

Or.... They have a strong immune system, having been exposed to

natural viruses, not vaccines.

 

Come to

> think of it, there was a doctor (MD) years & years ago who thought that

> the kids nowadays are so bloody all-'round weak, with or

> without " benefit " of vaccines that their bodies can't summon up what it

> takes to expel anything through fever or rash or serious measle-type

> illnesses, because the strength is just not there. This doctor felt

> that the basic cause was chemicals in the environment.

 

That would be one cause. It's thought that overvaccination (which we

have in this country with children receiving about 30 or so before

kindergarten) will weaken, not strengthen the immune system. Exposure

to natural viruses through the respiratory system activates the body's

immune response much better than when the viruses are put into the

blood stream. The body's natural response is to keep those viruses

*out* of the blood stream.

 

sue

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