Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 have seen something like this in patients who survived the Holocaust this was more in the nature of a scoliosis with a lateral curvature swinging to the side which made the spines unaligned and protruding i had enough support etiology wise to treat most as secondary Water deficient from a primary Earth SP Falling because they lost home and country in such a dreadful lurch that they never recovered even when some landed in Israel and some in United States, the Earth cause established in later years when we saw women from Afghanistan in our refugee free clinic, they tended to be the same, except one can't examine the back because of the veil i don't believe this is what you mean but thought this was pertinent enough to come close to that invariably treated Earth by horary doorways sequenced these as a. seasonal b lunar c diurnal d intraphasal would find the exact point and place one needle there for maybe 10 minutes till the trigger responded the beni israel women grew better and tougher, the men better and meeker, and we took that to be a healing! holmes www.acu-free.com mojavecowboy wrote: > Hi: > > Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with > Tortoise Back, or Gui Bei in Chinese? > > Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted > and mis-aligned that one part of the back protrudes > higher than the other. > > Regards, Jack > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 I have developed a very successful physical approach to this type of condition along with other forms of scoliosis,kyphosis, and structural anomalies. Doc --- mojavecowboy <mojavecowboy wrote: Hi: Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with Tortoise Back, or Gui Bei in Chinese? Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted and mis-aligned that one part of the back protrudes higher than the other. Regards, Jack To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hi Doc, Details of your approach? Best regards, Phil Doc wrote: > I have developed a very successful physical approach > to this type of condition along with other forms of > scoliosis,kyphosis, and structural anomalies. Doc Jack wrote: > Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with Tortoise Back, or Gui > Bei in Chinese? Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted and > mis-aligned that one part of the back protrudes higher than the other. > Regards, Jack Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 What type of structural approach are you taking? Is this something you teach at a seminar? Doc <Doc wrote:I have developed a very successful physical approach to this type of condition along with other forms of scoliosis,kyphosis, and structural anomalies. Doc --- mojavecowboy <mojavecowboy wrote: Hi: Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with Tortoise Back, or Gui Bei in Chinese? Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted and mis-aligned that one part of the back protrudes higher than the other. Regards, Jack To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 --- " Todd LaLarlee.Ac. " <t_lalarleeahoo.com> wrote: Hola >What type of structural approach are you taking?< My first 15 years of Ac training was an aprenticeship in a DiehaDah lineage. Some of my teachers were bonesetters and each of my teachers had some hidden art. Because of this i was taught much more about the use of different metals and special lineage points than most of our colleagues are taught in the schools. The technique i developed is based on all of this. >Is this something you teach at a seminar?< Yes it is. My original intention was to share at least a bit of it-enough to be of some help- and not just promote a seminar but .....I tried to think of tips i could simply post on the list but none of it makes sense unless one has the whole of the system. Doc Doc <Doc@ststreetmedicrorgwrote:I have developed a very successful physical approach to this type of condition along with other forms of scoliosis,kykyphosisand structural anomalies. Doc --- momojavecowboymomojavecowbo> wrote: Hi: Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with Tortoise Back, or Gui BeBein Chinese? Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted and mimisligned that one part of the back protrudes higher than the other. Regards, Jack To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link page, hthttp/babel.alaltavistaom/ hthttp/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. If you are a TCTCMcademic and wish to discuss TCTCMith other academics, hthttp/ukukroups.TCTCMAcademics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Tks for your most interesting post, Jack. I know a few people (okay, 3 or 4) who are tiny and fit your description of those Chinese. They are older (maybe in their 70s). They didn't let their deformity stop them from anything. But what I had in mind is a person of my acquaintance whose posture and build are fine, except the bumps on top part of the spine are huge & stick out, whereas the rest of the spine is normal. What on earth could this be? He doesn't seem to have any health problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hi Doc. Since you mentioned that you treat this, along with scoliosis, I would greatly appreciate hearing how you treat scoliosis. I am a third year student of TCM in Israel, and my daughter (15 yrs.) was discovered to have a severe curve two years ago, and since then I have been searching for effective methods of treatment. Additionally, I would like to write a paper on the subject, but am having difficulty finding relevant material, case studies, treatment strategies, etc. Thank you. Joyce Schwartz - Doc Chinese Medicine Monday, May 16, 2005 9:40 AM Re: Tortoise Back I have developed a very successful physical approach to this type of condition along with other forms of scoliosis,kyphosis, and structural anomalies. Doc --- mojavecowboy <mojavecowboy wrote: Hi: Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with Tortoise Back, or Gui Bei in Chinese? Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted and mis-aligned that one part of the back protrudes higher than the other. Regards, Jack To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hi I seem to remember reading somewhere of a method using on the Shu points at the level of the scoliosis big soft moxa cones on the weaker sunken side. Never done it or heard a study on it. Anybody used something like this? May On 17/5/05 9:43 pm, " joyce " <joyces wrote: > Hi Doc. > > Since you mentioned that you treat this, along with scoliosis, I would greatly > appreciate hearing how you treat scoliosis. I am a third year student of TCM > in Israel, and my daughter (15 yrs.) was discovered to have a severe curve two > years ago, and since then I have been searching for effective methods of > treatment. Additionally, I would like to write a paper on the subject, but am > having difficulty finding relevant material, case studies, treatment > strategies, etc. > > Thank you. > Joyce Schwartz > - > Doc > Chinese Medicine > Monday, May 16, 2005 9:40 AM > Re: Tortoise Back > > > I have developed a very successful physical approach > to this type of condition along with other forms of > scoliosis,kyphosis, and structural anomalies. > > Doc > > --- mojavecowboy <mojavecowboy wrote: > > Hi: > > Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with > Tortoise Back, or Gui Bei in Chinese? > > Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted > and mis-aligned that one part of the back protrudes > higher than the other. > > Regards, Jack > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Hi Joyce, I do not have a simple answer for you. When i first replied to this thread i thought i could just give a few pointers that would be useful. As I think this out I realize that each piece depends on the whole of the system. It is my hope and plan G-d willing to be in Eretz Israel in early 2006. Perhaps I can show you this in person. In the mean time write to me off list at drdoc and I will try to give you some connections for your paper. I will however be leaving the US shortly to teach and when on the road my email is spotty at best. L'hitraot Doc --- joyce <joyces wrote: Hi Doc. Since you mentioned that you treat this, along with scoliosis, I would greatly appreciate hearing how you treat scoliosis. I am a third year student of TCM in Israel, and my daughter (15 yrs.) was discovered to have a severe curve two years ago, and since then I have been searching for effective methods of treatment. Additionally, I would like to write a paper on the subject, but am having difficulty finding relevant material, case studies, treatment strategies, etc. Thank you. Joyce Schwartz - Doc Chinese Medicine Monday, May 16, 2005 9:40 AM Re: Tortoise Back I have developed a very successful physical approach to this type of condition along with other forms of scoliosis,kyphosis, and structural anomalies. Doc --- mojavecowboy <mojavecowboy wrote: Hi: Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with Tortoise Back, or Gui Bei in Chinese? Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted and mis-aligned that one part of the back protrudes higher than the other. Regards, Jack To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 hi, i read this letter about tortois back, and in chinese medicine classical books, like Abstract for Care Infants (Xue Kai 1555), consider the tortois back (or Gui Bei, actually, turtle back) as a cause of wind blown in the vertebral column, and penetrating in the bone-marrow...a method is to moxa the feishu (Bl 13), xinshu (Bl 15), geshu (Bl 17) and each about 15 small cones (big as a small bean). one of cause is because the yuanqi of the infant is not complete and the interstice are open so that the wind easily take the advantage; or is caused by the flegm knotted which fight with the wind-heat. the main method is to regulate and tonify the lung and the spleen, clearing the heat and diminish the flegm. a prescription is the Song Rui Dan: pill made with: hua song (latin name ?), Fructus Aurantii (zhi ke), radix ledebouriellae (fang feng), radix angelicae pubescentis (du huo) of each one liang (chinese measure), herba ephedra (ma huang), radix et rhizome rhei (da huang), radix peucedani (qian hu), gui xin (latin name ?, cinnamoni heart?), of each half liang (one liang in ancient time=31.25 gram; modern time= 50 gram). (Xue Kai, Bao Ying Cuoyao, in Xue Lizhai Yixue Quanshu, Zhongguo Zhongyiyao Chubanshe, Beijing 2000, p. 546) just a thought luigi Chinese Medicine , Doc <Doc@s...> wrote: > Hi Joyce, > I do not have a simple answer for you. > When i first replied to this thread i thought i could > just give a few pointers that would be useful. As I > think this out I realize that each piece depends on > the whole of the system. > It is my hope and plan G-d willing to be in Eretz > Israel in early 2006. Perhaps I can show you this in > person. > In the mean time write to me off list at > drdoc@s... and I will try to give you some > connections for your paper. > I will however be leaving the US shortly to teach and > when on the road my email is spotty at best. > L'hitraot > Doc > --- joyce <joyces@n...> wrote: > > Hi Doc. > > Since you mentioned that you treat this, along with > scoliosis, I would greatly appreciate hearing how you > treat scoliosis. I am a third year student of TCM in > Israel, and my daughter (15 yrs.) was discovered to > have a severe curve two years ago, and since then I > have been searching for effective methods of > treatment. Additionally, I would like to write a > paper on the subject, but am having difficulty finding > relevant material, case studies, treatment strategies, > etc. > > Thank you. > Joyce Schwartz > - > Doc > Chinese Medicine > Monday, May 16, 2005 9:40 AM > Re: Tortoise Back > > > I have developed a very successful physical approach > to this type of condition along with other forms of > scoliosis,kyphosis, and structural anomalies. > > Doc > > --- mojavecowboy <mojavecowboy> wrote: > > Hi: > > Wondering if anyone has experience dealing with > Tortoise Back, or Gui Bei in Chinese? > > Tortoise Back is where the spine becomes so twisted > and mis-aligned that one part of the back protrudes > higher than the other. > > Regards, Jack > > > > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into > this > web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any > duplication outside the group requires prior > permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM > with > other academics, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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