Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 hey doc, thanks for the input. i need to give you the full health picture for you to do proper diagnostic.I am not comfortable with exposing my complete medical history to the list so I am sending this privately. My tongue is ususally fat with gentle tooth indentations,(denture indentations) usually light pink with a white coat mostly on the dry side, sometimes there is creamy, damp yellow in the center,there is a fissure in the center of the area near the tip (lung area) it is transverse looks like it statred from one stem and branched off into two fissures. when I take the pain medication for my leg or back the tip of my toungue turns red and I sometimes have palpatations. the underside of my tongue doesn't show a lot of veins and there is a short crack near the tip which i have always considered to be in the lung area there is also a small circle or gray that is more visible at times than others near the tip of my tongue ,in the heart area on the right side. the underside of my tongue is not full of veins at all. this morning my tongue has no coat,butthe center of the body has a bluegreen cast, the body is a deep pink,i have not eaten anyting save water since yesterday afternoon though. ther are no bags dark spots or anything under my eyes. but I do have a huge arched shaped lighter spot in the center of my forhead while the sides of my forhead are a dark grayish green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Wow, that is awesome, really! I have been hitting and missing signs and symptopms for a year now, and come upon evrything you said except the lung. I could not believe there was really a problem within my lungs, I am a metal type person though. This lessen in step by step diagnostics goes to show what a trained professional can accomplish .I am totally inspired to step up my personal quest to become a lac pratitioner. thanks again Rabiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 from all the posts and this one, the pattern seems to be: LU as primary LV as secondary K as tertiary primary will almost always be in a yin deficient state primary will almost always be in a yang excess state primary will almost always be in a qi deficient state LU accounts for LU Heat, which is LU Dryness, and very many breath and skin symptoms LV accounts for LV Yin Blood Deficient, and very many channel and organ oriented symptoms K accounts for Water Dry, which is Bone and Cartilage Dryness, and very many knee and spine symptoms the real problem is in LU the consequent problems will be in LV the incidental problems will be in K now to the knees: of course you understand that what i write is *solely educational and not diagnostic*, someone has to confirm and diagnose professionally on the spot however a sound systemic approach would be: step 1. support LU or Metal yin [tone LU 1 & 2, BL 12 & 13, LU 7. work on LI 11 by even handed stimulation] step 2. balance LV Blood and harness LV yang, which is GB yang [reduce LV 2, LV 3, GB 39; work the back shu of LV etc] step 3. local approach on or near knee: a. work on SP 3, then 6 and then 9, toning each one, going from below to above [sP here will take place of LU by Up & Down Law] b. work on GB 34 and any local tender point on or near GB vessel , downward tendency [GB here will replace the LV connection] c. work on any local point which may be: tender - stuck qi numb - deficient qi heated - from LU which tend to Dry, from LV which tends to Heat cold - from K Water which tends to Cold fib rosed - from LU which tends to holding form style: always gentle, if needles, very shallow, if pressure, always soft but sure step 4. have someone work on elbows, there will be many tender points, when these are assuaged, knees will be relieved parameters of success on knee: less pain, later no pain more flexibility more weight bearing more personal freedom of movement moxa: this should be either by japanese thread style or otherwise guardedly if your system is Heated, no moxa by stick if your system is cool or cold, yes moxa by stick thread is fine at any time, but this must be real thread style what is your real pathology? that a Dry LU has caused a Dry cartilage emotionally: work with something stuck into your system since forever, Metal Grief is unyilding, and buried out of sight holmes Remediesbyrabiah wrote: > >hey doc, thanks for the input. i need to give you the full health picture >for you to do proper diagnostic.I am not comfortable with exposing my complete >medical history to the list so I am sending this privately. >My tongue is ususally fat with gentle tooth indentations,(denture >indentations) usually light pink with a white coat mostly on the dry side, sometimes >there is creamy, damp yellow in the center,there is a fissure in the center >of the area near the tip (lung area) it is transverse looks like it statred >from one stem and branched off into two fissures. when I take the pain >medication for my leg or back the tip of my toungue turns red and I sometimes have >palpatations. the underside of my tongue doesn't show a lot of veins and there >is a short crack near the tip which i have always considered to be in the >lung area there is also a small circle or gray that is more visible at times >than others near the tip of my tongue ,in the heart area on the right side. the >underside of my tongue is not full of veins at all. >this morning my tongue has no coat,butthe center of the body has a bluegreen >cast, the body is a deep pink,i have not eaten anyting save water since >yesterday afternoon though. >ther are no bags dark spots or anything under my eyes. but I do have a huge >arched shaped lighter spot in the center of my forhead while the sides of my >forhead are a dark grayish green. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Remediesbyrabiah@a... wrote: > come upon evrything you said except the lung. I > could not believe there was really a problem within my lungs, I am a metal type > person though. This is one of the most amazing things about TCM to me. I thought my kidneys were fine. In fact, I thought my kidneys were one of the few things in me that weren't messed up. As it turned out, the Kidneys were by far the worst problem I had. It was like an obvious standout to someone trained in TCM. The TCM herbalist I saw, also asked me a lot of questions. They were grouped according to Organs. When it came to the Kidney section, I answered " yes " to just about every quesiton in that section. Including the one about a history of trouble with the ears and hearing. Yeah, there had been some minor problems with the kidneys, but they were so " mild " (unimportant) and/or so occasional. Like the profuse and clear urination. Didn't that mean my kidneys were working just fine? No. Not the Kidneys. Looking back, so much was so obvious to someone trained in TCM. And it all fit into place. All those seemingly unrelated and often unimportant symptoms (by Western criteria) turned out to have been related and very important pieces of the clinical picture. It was also a great relief to not hear " I don't know what it means; it isn't important " as I got sicker and sicker, and instead hear in so many words, " That's just Kidney Yang Deficiency. The Chinese have known about it for centuries. They know how to treat it. " My health problems turned out not to be so mysterious and puzzling (and untreatable) after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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