Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Does anyone know the TCM imbalances that can underlie Asperger's Syndrome and recommended acupressure points or massage techniques? Asperger's Syndrome is a form of " high-functioning " autism characterized by the person being clueless about social relationships and others' emotions. People suffering from Asperger's Syndrome tend to be busque and even rude with others and to lack fundamental social skills. Thanks in advance for any info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 the symptoms are loud in HT shen, there fore the cause is silent in Water confirm prenatal K qi deficient confirm cold feet, flat feet, scoliosis look for the Hollow Ankle report and we take off from there holmes victoria_dragon wrote: >Does anyone know the TCM imbalances that can underlie Asperger's >Syndrome and recommended acupressure points or massage techniques? > >Asperger's Syndrome is a form of " high-functioning " autism >characterized by the person being clueless about social relationships >and others' emotions. People suffering from Asperger's Syndrome tend >to be busque and even rude with others and to lack fundamental social >skills. > >Thanks in advance for any info. > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > the symptoms are loud in HT shen, there fore the cause is silent in Water > > confirm prenatal K qi deficient > confirm cold feet, flat feet, scoliosis How does one confirm prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency? Are cold feet, flat feet, and scoliosis symptoms of prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency? I'm getting this information for a friend who is working as a caretaker for a woman who was recently operated upon. I believe for back trouble. The woman was diagnosed with CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction) several years ago, and the diagnosis was later changed to MS. Woman is in her early 40s but looks and acts a lot older. There is edema and much weight gain from long-term prednisone use. She is extremely sensitive to loud noises and any change in routine. I believe there is much pain. She checked herself out of the hospital 2 days after surgery AMA (Against Medical Advice). She has been under a great deal of stress for several years now because of the loss of her professional career due to health problems and on-going battles with her disability insurer. > > look for the Hollow Ankle Please describe a " Hollow Ankle " . I'm unfamiliar with this term. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 * How does one confirm prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency? Are cold feet,flat feet, and scoliosis symptoms of prenatal Kidney Qi * Deficiency? yes some more: flat feet at age 3 bone problems before puberty if a woman late onset periods which are never regular scolitic spine, spina bifida, spine conditions bone marrow conditions teeth caries, loose teeth, oddly placed teeth later HT problems * for a woman who was recently operated upon. I believe for back trouble makes sense * The woman was diagnosed with CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction) several years ago, and the diagnosis was later changed to MS. CF is Liver aggresing Stomach which rules muscles * Woman is in her early 40s but looks and acts a lot older. aging is ruled by Water * There is edema and much weight gain from long-term prednisone use. also by LV ST pattern * She is extremely sensitive to loud noises and any change in routine. I believe there is much pain. ears ruled by Water * Please describe a " Hollow Ankle " . I'm unfamiliar with this term. see both side of tendon achille at heel, if hollow Water positive Water is established. look for Fire next, see tongue for a cleft tp tip. Even now if she is treated for Water Fire she will respond. Du you do acupuncture? Holmes victoria_dragon wrote: >Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> >wrote: > > >>the symptoms are loud in HT shen, there fore the cause is silent >> >> >in Water > > >>confirm prenatal K qi deficient >>confirm cold feet, flat feet, scoliosis >> >> > >How does one confirm prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency? Are cold feet, >flat feet, and scoliosis symptoms of prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency? > >I'm getting this information for a friend who is working as a >caretaker for a woman who was recently operated upon. I believe for >back trouble. > >The woman was diagnosed with CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune >Dysfunction) several years ago, and the diagnosis was later changed >to MS. Woman is in her early 40s but looks and acts a lot older. >There is edema and much weight gain from long-term prednisone use. >She is extremely sensitive to loud noises and any change in routine. >I believe there is much pain. > >She checked herself out of the hospital 2 days after surgery AMA >(Against Medical Advice). She has been under a great deal of stress >for several years now because of the loss of her professional career >due to health problems and on-going battles with her disability >insurer. > > >>look for the Hollow Ankle >> >> > >Please describe a " Hollow Ankle " . I'm unfamiliar with this term. > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > Even now if she is treated for Water Fire she will respond. > > Du you do acupuncture? My friend will be doing acupressure and massage on her. She has refused to see an acupuncturist. If she gets even slight relief from the acupressure, there is a chance that she may agree to see an acupunturist later on. They live several states away from where I live. My friend reports that she has a permanently sour expression and disposition. She doesn't like any mirth or cheerfulness around her. I'm concerned about my friend living and working in that environment and the effect it's having on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 can some Fire signs be confirmed? best si a crack on tongue extending to tip sour comes from LV, and Water is not nourishing it dislikes mirth is from Fire again looks like a Fire Water condition holmes victoria_dragon wrote: >Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > > >>Even now if she is treated for Water Fire she will respond. >> >>Du you do acupuncture? >> >> > >My friend will be doing acupressure and massage on her. She has >refused to see an acupuncturist. If she gets even slight relief from >the acupressure, there is a chance that she may agree to see an >acupunturist later on. They live several states away from where I live. > >My friend reports that she has a permanently sour expression and >disposition. She doesn't like any mirth or cheerfulness around her. >I'm concerned about my friend living and working in that environment >and the effect it's having on him. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 update on this case? holmes drholmes wrote: >can some Fire signs be confirmed? >best si a crack on tongue extending to tip > >sour comes from LV, and Water is not nourishing it >dislikes mirth is from Fire > >again looks like a Fire Water condition > >holmes > >victoria_dragon wrote: > > > >>Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Even now if she is treated for Water Fire she will respond. >>> >>>Du you do acupuncture? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>My friend will be doing acupressure and massage on her. She has >>refused to see an acupuncturist. If she gets even slight relief from >>the acupressure, there is a chance that she may agree to see an >>acupunturist later on. They live several states away from where I live. >> >>My friend reports that she has a permanently sour expression and >>disposition. She doesn't like any mirth or cheerfulness around her. >>I'm concerned about my friend living and working in that environment >>and the effect it's having on him. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > update on this case? I haven't heard from my friend since Friday afternoon. I'll update you as soon as I hear from him. I'm concerned because it's not like him to not check his email and get back. He did mention that the local internet provider where he is isn't very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 a mature clinician knows when to cut and run. there is a fine line between healing and helping twice a week one should brush it up and make sure it is seen holmes www.acu-free.com victoria_dragon wrote: >Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > > >>update on this case? >> >> > >I haven't heard from my friend since Friday afternoon. I'll update you >as soon as I hear from him. I'm concerned because it's not like him to >not check his email and get back. He did mention that the local >internet provider where he is isn't very good. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 any news? holmes victoria_dragon wrote: >Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > > >>update on this case? >> >> > >I haven't heard from my friend since Friday afternoon. I'll update you >as soon as I hear from him. I'm concerned because it's not like him to >not check his email and get back. He did mention that the local >internet provider where he is isn't very good. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > any news? It took some time for him to be able to get the info, but here is is: Here's the answers to those questions, but I also garnered other info thatI feel is relevant. She's been constipated or has slow bowels her entire life. Only two or three movements a week. She didn't even realize this was abnormal, but I have a feeling it is important. Also feels " hot and cold " at the same time. Very sensitive to heat - it makes her ill. Also to hot food, either temperature-wise or spicy. Sensitive to loud noises, smells (even flowers), strong tastes. Was overdosed with powerful antibiotics as a child, by her physician father, before they found this was dangerous. Some mental degradation since onset of CFS/MS, often very fatigued and will sleep all day. Crying jags and mood swings. Argues a lot over petty things, corrects others and become pedantic, with a " lecturing " tone. The answers are followed by other pertinent physical/psychological workup. 1) hollow at achilles tendone - No 2) cold feet - Yes 3) scoliosis - No 4) Tongue crack - No 5) Flat feet at age 3 - No Although feet were pointed slightly inward, but this eventually corrected itself. 6) Other youthful abnormalities - One eye legally blind since youth. Had optic neuritis in the good eye a few years ago and was then totally blind for a short period 7) Bone problems before puberty - No 8) Late onset, irregular periods - No 9) teeth caries, loose or oddly placed teeth - No, except for wisdom teeth extraction. Some of my observations: 10) Aching feet and spasms in lower legs. May be weight related. 11) Looks and acts older than her age. I'm 55 and she is 45 but I keep thinking she is older. Also, often seems guilt-ridden and was a workaholic, perfectionist when she was an ER physician. Disapproves of many other doctors as incompetent or lazy. 12) takes megadoses of prednisone, which has led to extreme obesity and facial edema, which is also caused by lack of exercise due to CFS- type fatigue. Doesn't eat that much, though, beyond the usual depression-induced snackfests now and then. 13) High blood pressure, nerves and depression, which are all medicated. 14) Socially brusque and rude, but with a complete lack of fear of others, of confrontation or of large organizations, although conversely there are some superstitions and night fears. Intelligent and self taught. Learned the law on her own and prosecuted a large and corrupt disability insurer without a lawyer, giving them bad publicity and trouble for years, and organizing many other victims of this company. Persistent. Very, very independent - liked riding horses and being free and basically self-employed as a travelling ER physician for small rural hospitals - never wanted children or a traditional relationship, but is now, naturally upset at being dependent due to her diseases. 15) Extremely detail oriented. Makes lists of everything. Likes to fold towels per Martha Stewart, etc. 16) Absolutely hates being interrupted, or having her train of thought broken. Cannot " multitask. " Can't stand long conversations or having more than one person talk at the same time. Has to have her social rudeness or insulting behavior " explained " to her as if she was from Mars, but then understands it " intellectually " and will modify her behavior. But I don't think it's internalized. I am working on this, though ;') She's not a bad person, just needs enculturation her parents apparently never provided. However, rudeness is common with ER doctors. On the other hand, kind to animals, although she will get rid of very troublesome ones. Concerned with the plight of the poor and disadvantaged, or lack of justice for same in a corrupt system. Will actually do something about it instead of just talk about it. An activist. Very advanced sense of justice and honesty. Will not give in for " silencing " monetary settlements from corrupt companies that most people will, if they involve " gag " agreements, or make her a party to her " own extortion " with a lowball settlement. Injured back requiring surgery, but this may be due to horseback riding and unwise heavy lifting for a small woman. Takes on more than she should due to a lifelong sense of guilt and need to do something useful or expiatory. Jewish parentage. Spent youth in NJ, which has a high incidence of MS, possibly to to intense air pollution there. Always impatient with an extreme sense of justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Here are some more notes. There is an overlap between this list and the other, but some things appear on this list that are not on the other. I don't believe he mentioned the extreme aversion to heat and strong spices in the other post. Or the very bad, constant sniffles. Cannot " multitask " (handle doing more than one thing at a time). Physical: Looks older than age. Extremely sensitive to heat, loud noises, and smells. Very bad sniffles, almost constant One eye never functioned well. Had optic neuritis in the other and was blind for a short period. Short, with overweight and facial edema from predinsone Aching feet and spasms in lower legs Back pain (recent operation for it) CFS and MS Very fatigued many days, with some good ones. Mental: Mood swings and crying jags. Tends to pontificate, argue, explain why others are wrong in a pedantic or didactic tone. Tells everyone her " story " but doesn't listen well. Very " freedom " oriented - loved to ride horses, never wanted a " traditional " relationship. Extremely independent in nature and so very angry at the dependence her disease has put her into. Fearless of others or or physical danger, or of confrontation, or or of big organizations, but given to some superstitions and night fears. Angry, driven, meticulous, critical, socially insensitive, brusque, high intelligence, self-taught. Taught herself the law then prosecuted a major corrupt corporation and gave them bad publicity for years, on her own and without a lawyer. persistent. Kind to animals, but will offload troublesome ones. Socially insensitive. Has to have it " explained " when she has been unfairly hypercritical, insulting, etc, as if she was from Mars. She will then understand it, but it's an Intellectual understanding only. Extreme sense of justice, right and wrong, and honesty. The kind of person you could trust with your bank account. Extremely detail oriented. Makes lists of everything although some of this is to avoid confusion caused by MS. Has a particular and overly complex way to fold her dishtowels or make beds, for instance. But house is very cluttered. Some mental degradation since onset of CFS/MS. Can't stand to be interrupted or change her train of thought or she gets angry. Cannot " multitask " Can't stand loud noises, excessive conversation, strong spices, hot food, hot rooms or hot showers. Very heat sensitive. Heat makes her sick. Medications: psych meds for nerves and depression, massive prednisone for MS/CFS to combat fatigue, but with side effect of great weight gain. blood pressure medication and meds for MS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 hi herewith my thoughts on the 5 E Design, which are solely discussional, finally you will diagnose have aggregated all your posts for convenience. * marks symptoms, followed by - my interpretation of 5 E * She's been constipated or has slow bowels her entire life - clearly metal * Also feels " hot and cold " at the same time - metal * Very sensitive to heat - it makes her ill - metal * Also to hot food, either temperature-wise or spicy - metal * Sensitive to loud noises, smells (even flowers) - clearly metal * strong tastes - this is odd, out of Design * Was overdosed with powerful antibiotics as a child - for what? * Some mental degradation since onset of CFS/MS - water fire axis, still metal * often very fatigued - metal or a tertiary earth * and will sleep all day - one of the Oceans, 8 vessels * Crying jags - water child of metal, thus metal * and mood swings - graduated to wood * Argues a lot over petty things, etc - wood * cold feet - water son of metal, thus metal * One eye legally blind since youth - take it to the bank wood sign * Had optic neuritis in the good eye a few years ago and was then totally blind for a short period - heavy duty wood * Aching feet and spasms in lower legs - son water, tertiary earth * Looks and acts older than her age - metal and son water * guilt-ridden - metal very clearly * workaholic - wood * perfectionist - very metal * Disapproves of many other doctors as incompetent or lazy - metal * Doesn't eat that much, though, beyond the usual etc - metal * High blood pressure - very predictably wood, right on time! * nerves and depression - water and son wood * Socially brusque and rude - wood * complete lack of fear of others - something odd here, water wood * Intelligent and self taught - probably due to date of birth * Persistent - such a clear metal * never wanted children or a traditional relationship - odd again * Extremely detail oriented - do i have to say it? :-) * Has to have her social rudeness or insulting behavior " explained " to her as if she was from Mars, but then understands it " intellectually " and will modify her behavior - have to admire your faith in your process * She's not a bad person, just needs enculturation her parents apparently never provided - i thought you were a diagnostician! * On the other hand, kind to animals, although she will get rid of very troublesome ones. Concerned with the plight of the poor and disadvantaged, or lack of justice for same in a corrupt system. Will actually do something about it instead of just talk about it. An activist- all a waste of time, nothing to do with 5 E * Very advanced sense of justice and honesty. Will not give in for " silencing " monetary settlements from corrupt companies that most people will, if they involve " gag " agreements, or make her a party to her " own extortion " with a lowball settlement- metal, do you know why? * Injured back requiring surgery, but this may be due to horseback riding and unwise heavy lifting for a small woman - neither, and right on time! * Takes on more than she should due to a lifelong sense of guilt and need to do something useful or expiatory. Jewish parentage. - not 5 E, waste of time don't get mad at me * Spent youth in NJ, which has a high incidence of MS, possibly to to intense air pollution there - fishin'! * Always impatient with an extreme sense of justice - let go, what does it matter to 5 E? are you in the right profession? 5 E is very practical, 2 steps and you have a thought, 3, and Design is clear, 4 and it is firm, 5, and nothing can change it! so what do you think is the matter? what two needles should swing things around? the smug 'he-is-beginning-to-get-on-my-nerves' dr holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > it matter to 5 E? are you in the right profession? > > 5 E is very practical, 2 steps and you have a thought, 3, and Design is > clear, 4 and it is firm, 5, and nothing can change it! > > so what do you think is the matter? > > what two needles should swing things around? > > the smug 'he-is-beginning-to-get-on-my-nerves' dr holmes He's not a professional. He's someone who is just starting to learn the basics of Chinese medicine. He's someone who is hoping that if he can help her a little with acupressure that she will see a professioanl acupuncturist, TCM herbalist, or OMD. He's also someone who needs Chinese medicine as much as she does but for different reasons. He's also someone who has demonstrated a talent for learning Chinese medicine quickly. Not everyone on this list is a professional or even a TCM student. There are a lot of people on here who are new to TCM and want to learn more about the basics. I originally started this list because of all the help I got from TCM. I started it for relatives and friends in another part of the country so they could learn about TCM. When people are familiar with something, they are more likely to seek out the help that they need from professionals than when they aren't familiar with something. In some cases they can even help themselves at least some. The list grew to include TCM students and professionals as well as people new to TCM from all over the world. As a result all three groups get things from the list that they wouldn't get from just one group alone. I am not a professional TCM healer. I am someone who understands the basics very well, and can explain them to people new to TCM. I'm also someone who knows what to emphasize to the TCM students on the list as an important building block in their knowledge. But I don't have the broad overview of a professional with a lot of clinical experience. Which is one reason why the professionals on the list are so important. Especially to the TCM students who are ready to make that all important step of being able to look at the total picture - including multiple patterns - at once instead of just examining and working a part of the picture at a time. I know enough to step aside for the professionals who can, and let them do what they do best. The man who is trying to help this woman is neither a professional nor a TCM student. At this point he is not going to be able stick to just 5 Elements symptoms and signs because he doesn't know what they are. He is capable of finding acupoints. In fact, he appears to have a talent for it. He can find the acupoints, but he's going to have to have a professional tell him which ones to work. He is going to be limited to acupressure. Neither he nor the woman are expecting a cure from the little bit he will be able to do. Some improvement - even slight - will be impressive (at least to him). Hopefully, if there is just minute improvement, she will seek out the services of a professional who can do a lot more. He on the other hand probably will end up learning and using a lot more TCM. This is very typical of Westerners who don't have the advantage of having grown up in a culture that knows what TCM can do. They see improvement, they are impressed, and they end up learning a lot more about TCM and seeking out TCM healers. Some of them go on to become TCM students and professionals. Something else I want to point out to readers is that both this woman and man stand to benefit personally from TCM. The knowledge that he gains will not only go to help her but himself. And, knowing him, he'll go on to help others with it in some kind of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 i beg your pardon, had this completely wrong, thought you were a TCM professional and the site a forum for discussion amongst professionals which is why i wrote a disclaimer to begin with as a professional courtesy, i quote 'herewith my thoughts on the 5 E Design, which are solely discussional, finally you will diagnose' when you write, " .... He can find the acupoints, but he's going to have to have a professional tell him which ones to work ... " i have to tell you that is a precarious pursuit, whoever helps him must be a duly certified TCM person, period 5 E Designs are beguiling and though emphatic in delivering results, can sometimes, when ill understood, cause immense harm in all cases the Design has to found, refined, and confirmed by a TCM trained person on personal responsibility that is what the patient expects, and anything less will shortchange him or her as a thought. don't you suppose a disclaimer is needed on part of the forum, this more to keep lines clear for those who frequent it? holmes victoria_dragon wrote: >Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> >wrote: > > >>it matter to 5 E? are you in the right profession? >> >>5 E is very practical, 2 steps and you have a thought, 3, and >> >> >Design is > > >>clear, 4 and it is firm, 5, and nothing can change it! >> >>so what do you think is the matter? >> >>what two needles should swing things around? >> >>the smug 'he-is-beginning-to-get-on-my-nerves' dr holmes >> >> > >He's not a professional. He's someone who is just starting to learn >the basics of Chinese medicine. He's someone who is hoping that if >he can help her a little with acupressure that she will see a >professioanl acupuncturist, TCM herbalist, or OMD. > >He's also someone who needs Chinese medicine as much as she does but >for different reasons. He's also someone who has demonstrated a >talent for learning Chinese medicine quickly. > >Not everyone on this list is a professional or even a TCM student. >There are a lot of people on here who are new to TCM and want to >learn more about the basics. > >I originally started this list because of all the help I got from >TCM. I started it for relatives and friends in another part of the >country so they could learn about TCM. When people are familiar >with something, they are more likely to seek out the help that they >need from professionals than when they aren't familiar with >something. In some cases they can even help themselves at least >some. > >The list grew to include TCM students and professionals as well as >people new to TCM from all over the world. As a result all three >groups get things from the list that they wouldn't get from just one >group alone. > >I am not a professional TCM healer. I am someone who understands the >basics very well, and can explain them to people new to TCM. I'm >also someone who knows what to emphasize to the TCM students on the >list as an important building block in their knowledge. > >But I don't have the broad overview of a professional with a lot of >clinical experience. Which is one reason why the professionals on >the list are so important. Especially to the TCM students who are >ready to make that all important step of being able to look at the >total picture - including multiple patterns - at once instead of >just examining and working a part of the picture at a time. I know >enough to step aside for the professionals who can, and let them do >what they do best. > >The man who is trying to help this woman is neither a professional >nor a TCM student. At this point he is not going to be able stick to >just 5 Elements symptoms and signs because he doesn't know what they >are. He is capable of finding acupoints. In fact, he appears to have >a talent for it. He can find the acupoints, but he's going to have >to have a professional tell him which ones to work. > >He is going to be limited to acupressure. Neither he nor the woman >are expecting a cure from the little bit he will be able to do. Some >improvement - even slight - will be impressive (at least to him). >Hopefully, if there is just minute improvement, she will seek out >the services of a professional who can do a lot more. He on the >other hand probably will end up learning and using a lot more TCM. >This is very typical of Westerners who don't have the advantage of >having grown up in a culture that knows what TCM can do. They see >improvement, they are impressed, and they end up learning a lot more >about TCM and seeking out TCM healers. Some of them go on to become >TCM students and professionals. > >Something else I want to point out to readers is that both this >woman and man stand to benefit personally from TCM. The knowledge >that he gains will not only go to help her but himself. And, knowing >him, he'll go on to help others with it in some kind of way. > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Asperger's syndrome fits on the autism spectrum. Experience tells me a constitution leaning towards Metal. <snip> > * Always impatient with an extreme sense of justice - let go, > what does it matter to 5 E? Lots. Metal constitution tends to have boundary issues. I'm way surprised she agrees to touch therapy. I'm not saying Metals don't want to let us in. Metal constitutions tend to already integrated into the external world in ways nonMetals can't imagine (picture an empath) and they cope with it by having an almost religious tendancy to follow protocol. They make great accountants and programers (like Cloe on that tv program called " 24 " ). When I read the shared intake I thought " my goodness! a Temple Grandin clone. " Temple's book can be found at <http://www.grandin.com/inc/book.html> Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 <snip> > when you write, " .... He can find the acupoints, but he's > going to have to have a professional tell him which ones > to work ... " i have to tell you that is a precarious pursuit, > whoever helps him must be a duly certified TCM person, > period Agreed. I really wish more acupuncturists were willing to use Asian bodywork therapists as supplementaion to what they do. Our NCCAOM exam is 5 hours long and contains both 5 Element and 8 Principle theory. The AOBTA expects 500 hours of education as a professional starting point. As for the acupuncture points, Masunaga influenced traditions like Ohashiatsu and Mi Zai Shiatsu don't focus on the points. One learns them but the focus is Meridians. Be with the client in the moment. In my own shiatsu practice I don't try to do anything other than to " listen " to what presents itself. I might anticipate things but to do that within the session takes me out of the communal meditation. There's nothing I try to " fix " when giving a shiatsu session. The more " awake " I am to the client the more awake they can learn to become with themself. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > i beg your pardon, had this completely wrong, thought you were a TCM professional > and the site a forum for discussion amongst professionals There are many TCM professionals on here. There are also TCM students and people new to TCM. Part of the group's description includes " List members include those new to TCM, TCM students, and various healthcare professionals (Eastern and Western). " I have been getting a lot out of your posts. So have a number of other posters on the list, including other professionals, TCM students, and those fairly new to TCM. > which is why i wrote a disclaimer to begin with as a professional courtesy, i quote > 'herewith my thoughts on the 5 E Design, which are solely discussional, > finally you will diagnose' It's pretty much standard on here that the readers are reminded frequently that this is a discussion group, that these are things to be researched further, and talked over with their TCM professionals (if they're fortunate to have one in the area they live in). It's also why I'm such a stickler for posting contraindications each time something is discussed. > when you write, " .... He can find the acupoints, but he's going to have > to have a professional tell him which ones to work ... " i have to tell you > that is a precarious pursuit, whoever helps him must be a duly certified > TCM person, period > > 5 E Designs are beguiling and though emphatic in delivering results, can > sometimes, when ill understood, cause immense harm Which is why he's going to be told exactly what the contraindications are and exactly what to look out for. He's also going to be using acupressure and massage instead of acupuncture or herbs. The effects of acupressure and massage are not as potent as that of acupressure and herbs. We walk a balance on here. In an ideal world everyone would live in an area with at least one very competent and reasonably priced TCM healer. Everyone would know what TCM can do. The situation in the West is still very far from ideal. The larger cities have TCM healers. I wish I had known some of this years ago. Just knowing about Cold conditions and how ginger tea can bring so much help to me would have made a big difference. Also, when people get some measure of relief from TCM (or at least know a little something about TCM), they are more likely to seek out a professional TCM healer. For me, it was reading a book from the library. Because by that time I had already been sick for over 20 years, I had figured out some things on my own, and everything just fell into place for me. I remember thinking, " I sure would like to see a TCM healer. " At the time I figured it would have to wait until after we moved and were in a more populated place. That mostly rural county wouldn't possibly have something like that. Or so I thought. About a month after that a friend called me. She didn't know about the book I had read or my interest in seeing a TCM healer. Out of the blue she told me about her grandmother going to a nearby town to do some banking. While she was there, the grandmother had stopped by a health food store to see if the store had something her granddaughter wanted her to pick up for her. The clerk started talking about a local herbalist who used Chinese medicine. The grandmother told her granddaughter who told me, and I was on the phone making an appointment. After the examination, as he was mixing up the herbs, he broke off a piece of dried ginger and told me to chew it. I realized within a few minutes that this was something I definitely needed. (I'm not a person who is susceptible to a placebo effect.) By that time I had been sick with CFIDS for over 20 years. I was so sick that all I was really hoping for was some improvement. Even minor. I wasn't as sick as I had been during the worst of it (when I couldn't even read), but I was still very sick and not improving any more. To my great surprise, 3 weeks after starting on the teas, capsules, and tinctures, I had enough energy to start a regular light exercise program. That is something I hadn't even dared hope for. The operative word is " regular " . I could exercise some before that. I just couldn't do it regularly. When I overdid physically - and even light physical exertion like going to the doctor was over- doing for me - I didn't have the energy to do much for a couple of weeks or longer. I was very favorably impressed. I began to learn all I could. The herbalist taught me a lot. Soon I was getting TCM texts. I began to write about Chinese medicine. I started this list so that others could learn. I'm not cured, but I sure like all the improvement. There has been a vast improvement. The more I learn, the longer I stay on TCM treatment, the more I improve. Mostly what I do on here is to explain the basics. When the professionals and students talk among themselves, I often will use their posts to explain the basics to the people new to TCM. Having the people new to TCM and the TCM students exposed to the professionals' posts is shortening their learning time considerably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " hyldemoer " <hyldemoer> wrote: > Asperger's syndrome fits on the autism spectrum. > Experience tells me a constitution leaning towards Metal. I remember you told me via private email back when I first posted that you thought it was Metal. That's being borne out very strongly. > > * Always impatient with an extreme sense of justice - let go, > > what does it matter to 5 E? > > Lots. Metal constitution tends to have boundary issues. I'm way > surprised she agrees to touch therapy. I'm not saying Metals > don't want to let us in. Metal constitutions tend to already > integrated into the external world in ways nonMetals can't > imagine (picture an empath) and they cope with it by having > an almost religious tendancy to follow protocol. > They make great accountants and programers (like Cloe on that tv > program called " 24 " ). I thought Jim did a very good job on the intake. He provided a very well-rounded picture of this woman. Because of his intake I have more sympathy for her now than I did before. The irony is that the very thing that made her such a good ER doctor - that very careful attention to protocol - is working against her receiving the help she needs. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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