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Does anyone know the TCM imbalances that can underlie Asperger's

Syndrome and recommended acupressure points or massage techniques?

 

Asperger's Syndrome is a form of " high-functioning " autism

characterized by the person being clueless about social relationships

and others' emotions. People suffering from Asperger's Syndrome tend

to be busque and even rude with others and to lack fundamental social

skills.

 

Thanks in advance for any info.

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the symptoms are loud in HT shen, there fore the cause is silent in Water

 

confirm prenatal K qi deficient

confirm cold feet, flat feet, scoliosis

 

look for the Hollow Ankle

 

report and we take off from there

 

holmes

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...>

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> the symptoms are loud in HT shen, there fore the cause is silent

in Water

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> confirm cold feet, flat feet, scoliosis

 

How does one confirm prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency? Are cold feet,

flat feet, and scoliosis symptoms of prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency?

 

I'm getting this information for a friend who is working as a

caretaker for a woman who was recently operated upon. I believe for

back trouble.

 

The woman was diagnosed with CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune

Dysfunction) several years ago, and the diagnosis was later changed

to MS. Woman is in her early 40s but looks and acts a lot older.

There is edema and much weight gain from long-term prednisone use.

She is extremely sensitive to loud noises and any change in routine.

I believe there is much pain.

 

She checked herself out of the hospital 2 days after surgery AMA

(Against Medical Advice). She has been under a great deal of stress

for several years now because of the loss of her professional career

due to health problems and on-going battles with her disability

insurer.

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> look for the Hollow Ankle

 

Please describe a " Hollow Ankle " . I'm unfamiliar with this term.

 

Thanks.

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* How does one confirm prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency? Are cold

feet,flat feet, and scoliosis symptoms of prenatal Kidney Qi * Deficiency?

 

yes

some more:

flat feet at age 3

bone problems before puberty

if a woman late onset periods which are never regular

scolitic spine, spina bifida, spine conditions

bone marrow conditions

teeth caries, loose teeth, oddly placed teeth

 

later HT problems

 

* for a woman who was recently operated upon. I believe for

 

back trouble

 

makes sense

 

* The woman was diagnosed with CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune

Dysfunction) several years ago, and the diagnosis was later changed

to MS.

 

CF is Liver aggresing Stomach which rules muscles

 

* Woman is in her early 40s but looks and acts a lot older.

 

aging is ruled by Water

 

* There is edema and much weight gain from long-term prednisone use.

 

also by LV ST pattern

 

* She is extremely sensitive to loud noises and any change in routine.

I believe there is much pain.

 

ears ruled by Water

 

 

* Please describe a " Hollow Ankle " . I'm unfamiliar with this term.

 

see both side of tendon achille at heel, if hollow Water positive

 

 

Water is established. look for Fire next, see tongue for a cleft tp tip.

 

 

Even now if she is treated for Water Fire she will respond.

 

Du you do acupuncture?

 

Holmes

 

 

 

 

 

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>Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...>

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>>confirm cold feet, flat feet, scoliosis

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>flat feet, and scoliosis symptoms of prenatal Kidney Qi Deficiency?

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>I'm getting this information for a friend who is working as a

>caretaker for a woman who was recently operated upon. I believe for

>back trouble.

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>The woman was diagnosed with CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune

>Dysfunction) several years ago, and the diagnosis was later changed

>to MS. Woman is in her early 40s but looks and acts a lot older.

>There is edema and much weight gain from long-term prednisone use.

>She is extremely sensitive to loud noises and any change in routine.

>I believe there is much pain.

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>She checked herself out of the hospital 2 days after surgery AMA

>(Against Medical Advice). She has been under a great deal of stress

>for several years now because of the loss of her professional career

>due to health problems and on-going battles with her disability

>insurer.

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote:

> Even now if she is treated for Water Fire she will respond.

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> Du you do acupuncture?

 

My friend will be doing acupressure and massage on her. She has

refused to see an acupuncturist. If she gets even slight relief from

the acupressure, there is a chance that she may agree to see an

acupunturist later on. They live several states away from where I live.

 

My friend reports that she has a permanently sour expression and

disposition. She doesn't like any mirth or cheerfulness around her.

I'm concerned about my friend living and working in that environment

and the effect it's having on him.

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can some Fire signs be confirmed?

best si a crack on tongue extending to tip

 

sour comes from LV, and Water is not nourishing it

dislikes mirth is from Fire

 

again looks like a Fire Water condition

 

holmes

 

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>Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote:

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>>Du you do acupuncture?

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>My friend will be doing acupressure and massage on her. She has

>refused to see an acupuncturist. If she gets even slight relief from

>the acupressure, there is a chance that she may agree to see an

>acupunturist later on. They live several states away from where I live.

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>My friend reports that she has a permanently sour expression and

>disposition. She doesn't like any mirth or cheerfulness around her.

>I'm concerned about my friend living and working in that environment

>and the effect it's having on him.

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update on this case?

holmes

 

drholmes wrote:

 

>can some Fire signs be confirmed?

>best si a crack on tongue extending to tip

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>sour comes from LV, and Water is not nourishing it

>dislikes mirth is from Fire

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>>acupunturist later on. They live several states away from where I live.

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>>My friend reports that she has a permanently sour expression and

>>disposition. She doesn't like any mirth or cheerfulness around her.

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote:

> update on this case?

 

I haven't heard from my friend since Friday afternoon. I'll update you

as soon as I hear from him. I'm concerned because it's not like him to

not check his email and get back. He did mention that the local

internet provider where he is isn't very good.

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a mature clinician knows when to cut and run. there is a fine line

between healing and helping

 

twice a week one should brush it up and make sure it is seen

 

holmes

www.acu-free.com

 

 

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>Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote:

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>I haven't heard from my friend since Friday afternoon. I'll update you

>as soon as I hear from him. I'm concerned because it's not like him to

>not check his email and get back. He did mention that the local

>internet provider where he is isn't very good.

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any news?

holmes

 

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>Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote:

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>not check his email and get back. He did mention that the local

>internet provider where he is isn't very good.

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> any news?

 

It took some time for him to be able to get the info, but here is is:

 

Here's the answers to those questions, but I also garnered other

info

thatI feel is relevant.

 

She's been constipated or has slow bowels her entire life. Only two

or

three movements a week. She didn't even realize this was abnormal,

but I

have a feeling it is important.

 

Also feels " hot and cold " at the same time.

 

Very sensitive to heat - it makes her ill. Also to hot food, either

temperature-wise or spicy. Sensitive to loud noises, smells (even

flowers), strong tastes.

 

Was overdosed with powerful antibiotics as a child, by her physician

father, before they found this was dangerous.

 

Some mental degradation since onset of CFS/MS, often very fatigued

and

will sleep all day. Crying jags and mood swings. Argues a lot over

petty

things, corrects others and become pedantic, with a " lecturing " tone.

 

The answers are followed by other pertinent physical/psychological

workup.

 

1) hollow at achilles tendone - No

2) cold feet - Yes

3) scoliosis - No

4) Tongue crack - No

5) Flat feet at age 3 - No

Although feet were pointed slightly inward, but this eventually

corrected itself.

6) Other youthful abnormalities - One eye legally blind since

youth.

Had optic neuritis in the good eye a few years ago and was then

totally

blind for a short period

7) Bone problems before puberty - No

8) Late onset, irregular periods - No

9) teeth caries, loose or oddly placed teeth - No, except for wisdom

teeth extraction.

 

Some of my observations:

 

10) Aching feet and spasms in lower legs. May be weight related.

11) Looks and acts older than her age. I'm 55 and she is 45 but I

keep

thinking she is older. Also, often seems guilt-ridden and was a

workaholic, perfectionist when she was an ER physician. Disapproves

of

many other doctors as incompetent or lazy.

12) takes megadoses of prednisone, which has led to extreme obesity

and

facial edema, which is also caused by lack of exercise due to CFS-

type

fatigue. Doesn't eat that much, though, beyond the usual

depression-induced snackfests now and then.

13) High blood pressure, nerves and depression, which are all

medicated.

14) Socially brusque and rude, but with a complete lack of fear of

others, of confrontation or of large organizations, although

conversely

there are some superstitions and night fears. Intelligent and self

taught. Learned the law on her own and prosecuted a large and

corrupt

disability insurer without a lawyer, giving them bad publicity and

trouble for years, and organizing many other victims of this

company.

Persistent. Very, very independent - liked riding horses and being

free

and basically self-employed as a travelling ER physician for small

rural

hospitals - never wanted children or a traditional relationship, but

is

now, naturally upset at being dependent due to her diseases.

15) Extremely detail oriented. Makes lists of everything. Likes to

fold

towels per Martha Stewart, etc.

16) Absolutely hates being interrupted, or having her train of

thought

broken. Cannot " multitask. " Can't stand long conversations or having

more than one person talk at the same time.

 

Has to have her social rudeness or insulting behavior " explained " to

her

as if she was from Mars, but then understands it " intellectually "

and

will modify her behavior. But I don't think it's internalized. I am

working on this, though ;') She's not a bad person, just needs

enculturation her parents apparently never provided. However,

rudeness

is common with ER doctors.

 

On the other hand, kind to animals, although she will get rid of

very

troublesome ones. Concerned with the plight of the poor and

disadvantaged, or lack of justice for same in a corrupt system. Will

actually do something about it instead of just talk about it. An

activist.

 

Very advanced sense of justice and honesty. Will not give in for

" silencing " monetary settlements from corrupt companies that most

people

will, if they involve " gag " agreements, or make her a party to

her " own

extortion " with a lowball settlement.

 

Injured back requiring surgery, but this may be due to horseback

riding

and unwise heavy lifting for a small woman. Takes on more than she

should due to a lifelong sense of guilt and need to do something

useful

or expiatory. Jewish parentage.

 

Spent youth in NJ, which has a high incidence of MS, possibly to to

intense air pollution there.

 

Always impatient with an extreme sense of justice

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Here are some more notes. There is an overlap between this list and

the other, but some things appear on this list that are not on the

other. I don't believe he mentioned the extreme aversion to heat

and strong spices in the other post. Or the very bad, constant

sniffles. Cannot " multitask " (handle doing more than one thing at a

time).

 

Physical:

 

Looks older than age.

Extremely sensitive to heat, loud noises, and smells.

Very bad sniffles, almost constant

One eye never functioned well. Had optic neuritis in the other and

was

blind for a short period.

Short, with overweight and facial edema from predinsone

Aching feet and spasms in lower legs

Back pain (recent operation for it)

CFS and MS

Very fatigued many days, with some good ones.

 

Mental:

 

Mood swings and crying jags. Tends to pontificate, argue, explain

why

others are wrong in a pedantic or didactic tone. Tells everyone her

" story " but doesn't listen well.

 

Very " freedom " oriented - loved to ride horses, never wanted a

" traditional " relationship. Extremely independent in nature and so

very

angry at the dependence her disease has put her into.

 

Fearless of others or or physical danger, or of confrontation, or or

of

big organizations, but given to some superstitions and night fears.

Angry, driven, meticulous, critical, socially insensitive, brusque,

high

intelligence, self-taught. Taught herself the law then prosecuted a

major corrupt corporation and gave them bad publicity for years, on

her

own and without a lawyer. persistent.

 

Kind to animals, but will offload troublesome ones.

 

Socially insensitive. Has to have it " explained " when she has been

unfairly hypercritical, insulting, etc, as if she was from Mars. She

will then understand it, but it's an Intellectual understanding only.

 

Extreme sense of justice, right and wrong, and honesty. The kind of

person you could trust with your bank account.

 

Extremely detail oriented. Makes lists of everything although some

of

this is to avoid confusion caused by MS. Has a particular and

overly

complex way to fold her dishtowels or make beds, for instance. But

house

is very cluttered.

 

Some mental degradation since onset of CFS/MS.

 

Can't stand to be interrupted or change her train of thought or she

gets

angry. Cannot " multitask "

Can't stand loud noises, excessive conversation, strong spices, hot

food, hot rooms or hot showers. Very heat sensitive. Heat makes her

sick.

 

Medications: psych meds for nerves and depression, massive

prednisone

for MS/CFS to combat fatigue, but with side effect of great weight

gain.

blood pressure medication and meds for MS.

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hi

 

herewith my thoughts on the 5 E Design, which are solely discussional,

finally you will diagnose

 

have aggregated all your posts for convenience.

 

* marks symptoms, followed by - my interpretation of 5 E

 

* She's been constipated or has slow bowels her entire life - clearly metal

 

* Also feels " hot and cold " at the same time - metal

 

* Very sensitive to heat - it makes her ill - metal

 

* Also to hot food, either temperature-wise or spicy - metal

 

* Sensitive to loud noises, smells (even flowers) - clearly metal

 

* strong tastes - this is odd, out of Design

 

* Was overdosed with powerful antibiotics as a child - for what?

 

* Some mental degradation since onset of CFS/MS - water fire axis, still metal

 

* often very fatigued - metal or a tertiary earth

 

* and will sleep all day - one of the Oceans, 8 vessels

 

* Crying jags - water child of metal, thus metal

 

* and mood swings - graduated to wood

 

* Argues a lot over petty things, etc - wood

 

* cold feet - water son of metal, thus metal

 

* One eye legally blind since youth - take it to the bank wood sign

 

* Had optic neuritis in the good eye a few years ago and was then totally

blind for a short period - heavy duty wood

 

* Aching feet and spasms in lower legs - son water, tertiary earth

 

* Looks and acts older than her age - metal and son water

 

* guilt-ridden - metal very clearly

 

* workaholic - wood

 

* perfectionist - very metal

 

* Disapproves of many other doctors as incompetent or lazy - metal

 

* Doesn't eat that much, though, beyond the usual etc - metal

 

* High blood pressure - very predictably wood, right on time!

 

* nerves and depression - water and son wood

 

* Socially brusque and rude - wood

 

* complete lack of fear of others - something odd here, water wood

 

* Intelligent and self taught - probably due to date of birth

 

* Persistent - such a clear metal

 

* never wanted children or a traditional relationship - odd again

 

* Extremely detail oriented - do i have to say it? :-)

 

* Has to have her social rudeness or insulting behavior " explained " to

her as if she was from Mars, but then understands it " intellectually "

and will modify her behavior - have to admire your faith in your process

 

* She's not a bad person, just needs enculturation her parents apparently

never provided - i thought you were a diagnostician!

 

* On the other hand, kind to animals, although she will get rid of

very troublesome ones. Concerned with the plight of the poor and

disadvantaged, or lack of justice for same in a corrupt system. Will

actually do something about it instead of just talk about it. An

activist- all a waste of time, nothing to do with 5 E

 

* Very advanced sense of justice and honesty. Will not give in for

" silencing " monetary settlements from corrupt companies that most

people will, if they involve " gag " agreements, or make her a party to

her " own extortion " with a lowball settlement- metal, do you know why?

 

* Injured back requiring surgery, but this may be due to horseback

riding and unwise heavy lifting for a small woman - neither, and right on time!

 

* Takes on more than she should due to a lifelong sense of guilt and

need to do something useful or expiatory. Jewish parentage. - not 5 E,

waste of time don't get mad at me

 

* Spent youth in NJ, which has a high incidence of MS, possibly to to

intense air pollution there - fishin'!

 

* Always impatient with an extreme sense of justice - let go, what does

it matter to 5 E? are you in the right profession?

 

5 E is very practical, 2 steps and you have a thought, 3, and Design is

clear, 4 and it is firm, 5, and nothing can change it!

 

so what do you think is the matter?

 

what two needles should swing things around?

 

the smug 'he-is-beginning-to-get-on-my-nerves' dr holmes

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> it matter to 5 E? are you in the right profession?

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> 5 E is very practical, 2 steps and you have a thought, 3, and

Design is

> clear, 4 and it is firm, 5, and nothing can change it!

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> so what do you think is the matter?

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> what two needles should swing things around?

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> the smug 'he-is-beginning-to-get-on-my-nerves' dr holmes

 

He's not a professional. He's someone who is just starting to learn

the basics of Chinese medicine. He's someone who is hoping that if

he can help her a little with acupressure that she will see a

professioanl acupuncturist, TCM herbalist, or OMD.

 

He's also someone who needs Chinese medicine as much as she does but

for different reasons. He's also someone who has demonstrated a

talent for learning Chinese medicine quickly.

 

Not everyone on this list is a professional or even a TCM student.

There are a lot of people on here who are new to TCM and want to

learn more about the basics.

 

I originally started this list because of all the help I got from

TCM. I started it for relatives and friends in another part of the

country so they could learn about TCM. When people are familiar

with something, they are more likely to seek out the help that they

need from professionals than when they aren't familiar with

something. In some cases they can even help themselves at least

some.

 

The list grew to include TCM students and professionals as well as

people new to TCM from all over the world. As a result all three

groups get things from the list that they wouldn't get from just one

group alone.

 

I am not a professional TCM healer. I am someone who understands the

basics very well, and can explain them to people new to TCM. I'm

also someone who knows what to emphasize to the TCM students on the

list as an important building block in their knowledge.

 

But I don't have the broad overview of a professional with a lot of

clinical experience. Which is one reason why the professionals on

the list are so important. Especially to the TCM students who are

ready to make that all important step of being able to look at the

total picture - including multiple patterns - at once instead of

just examining and working a part of the picture at a time. I know

enough to step aside for the professionals who can, and let them do

what they do best.

 

The man who is trying to help this woman is neither a professional

nor a TCM student. At this point he is not going to be able stick to

just 5 Elements symptoms and signs because he doesn't know what they

are. He is capable of finding acupoints. In fact, he appears to have

a talent for it. He can find the acupoints, but he's going to have

to have a professional tell him which ones to work.

 

He is going to be limited to acupressure. Neither he nor the woman

are expecting a cure from the little bit he will be able to do. Some

improvement - even slight - will be impressive (at least to him).

Hopefully, if there is just minute improvement, she will seek out

the services of a professional who can do a lot more. He on the

other hand probably will end up learning and using a lot more TCM.

This is very typical of Westerners who don't have the advantage of

having grown up in a culture that knows what TCM can do. They see

improvement, they are impressed, and they end up learning a lot more

about TCM and seeking out TCM healers. Some of them go on to become

TCM students and professionals.

 

Something else I want to point out to readers is that both this

woman and man stand to benefit personally from TCM. The knowledge

that he gains will not only go to help her but himself. And, knowing

him, he'll go on to help others with it in some kind of way.

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i beg your pardon, had this completely wrong, thought you were a TCM

professional

and the site a forum for discussion amongst professionals

 

which is why i wrote a disclaimer to begin with as a professional courtesy, i

quote

'herewith my thoughts on the 5 E Design, which are solely discussional,

finally you will diagnose'

 

when you write, " .... He can find the acupoints, but he's going to have

to have a professional tell him which ones to work ... " i have to tell you

that is a precarious pursuit, whoever helps him must be a duly certified

TCM person, period

 

5 E Designs are beguiling and though emphatic in delivering results, can

sometimes, when ill understood, cause immense harm

 

in all cases the Design has to found, refined, and confirmed by a

TCM trained person on personal responsibility

 

that is what the patient expects, and anything less will shortchange

him or her

 

as a thought. don't you suppose a disclaimer is needed on part of the

forum, this more to keep lines

clear for those who frequent it?

 

holmes

 

 

victoria_dragon wrote:

 

>Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...>

>wrote:

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>>it matter to 5 E? are you in the right profession?

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>>5 E is very practical, 2 steps and you have a thought, 3, and

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>Design is

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>>clear, 4 and it is firm, 5, and nothing can change it!

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>>so what do you think is the matter?

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>>what two needles should swing things around?

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>>the smug 'he-is-beginning-to-get-on-my-nerves' dr holmes

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>He's not a professional. He's someone who is just starting to learn

>the basics of Chinese medicine. He's someone who is hoping that if

>he can help her a little with acupressure that she will see a

>professioanl acupuncturist, TCM herbalist, or OMD.

>

>He's also someone who needs Chinese medicine as much as she does but

>for different reasons. He's also someone who has demonstrated a

>talent for learning Chinese medicine quickly.

>

>Not everyone on this list is a professional or even a TCM student.

>There are a lot of people on here who are new to TCM and want to

>learn more about the basics.

>

>I originally started this list because of all the help I got from

>TCM. I started it for relatives and friends in another part of the

>country so they could learn about TCM. When people are familiar

>with something, they are more likely to seek out the help that they

>need from professionals than when they aren't familiar with

>something. In some cases they can even help themselves at least

>some.

>

>The list grew to include TCM students and professionals as well as

>people new to TCM from all over the world. As a result all three

>groups get things from the list that they wouldn't get from just one

>group alone.

>

>I am not a professional TCM healer. I am someone who understands the

>basics very well, and can explain them to people new to TCM. I'm

>also someone who knows what to emphasize to the TCM students on the

>list as an important building block in their knowledge.

>

>But I don't have the broad overview of a professional with a lot of

>clinical experience. Which is one reason why the professionals on

>the list are so important. Especially to the TCM students who are

>ready to make that all important step of being able to look at the

>total picture - including multiple patterns - at once instead of

>just examining and working a part of the picture at a time. I know

>enough to step aside for the professionals who can, and let them do

>what they do best.

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>The man who is trying to help this woman is neither a professional

>nor a TCM student. At this point he is not going to be able stick to

>just 5 Elements symptoms and signs because he doesn't know what they

>are. He is capable of finding acupoints. In fact, he appears to have

>a talent for it. He can find the acupoints, but he's going to have

>to have a professional tell him which ones to work.

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>He is going to be limited to acupressure. Neither he nor the woman

>are expecting a cure from the little bit he will be able to do. Some

>improvement - even slight - will be impressive (at least to him).

>Hopefully, if there is just minute improvement, she will seek out

>the services of a professional who can do a lot more. He on the

>other hand probably will end up learning and using a lot more TCM.

>This is very typical of Westerners who don't have the advantage of

>having grown up in a culture that knows what TCM can do. They see

>improvement, they are impressed, and they end up learning a lot more

>about TCM and seeking out TCM healers. Some of them go on to become

>TCM students and professionals.

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>Something else I want to point out to readers is that both this

>woman and man stand to benefit personally from TCM. The knowledge

>that he gains will not only go to help her but himself. And, knowing

>him, he'll go on to help others with it in some kind of way.

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Asperger's syndrome fits on the autism spectrum.

Experience tells me a constitution leaning towards Metal.

 

<snip>

> * Always impatient with an extreme sense of justice - let go,

> what does it matter to 5 E?

 

Lots. Metal constitution tends to have boundary issues. I'm way

surprised she agrees to touch therapy. I'm not saying Metals

don't want to let us in. Metal constitutions tend to already

integrated into the external world in ways nonMetals can't

imagine (picture an empath) and they cope with it by having

an almost religious tendancy to follow protocol.

They make great accountants and programers (like Cloe on that tv

program called " 24 " ).

 

When I read the shared intake I thought " my goodness! a Temple

Grandin clone. "

Temple's book can be found at

<http://www.grandin.com/inc/book.html>

 

Penel

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> when you write, " .... He can find the acupoints, but he's

> going to have to have a professional tell him which ones

> to work ... " i have to tell you that is a precarious pursuit,

> whoever helps him must be a duly certified TCM person,

> period

 

Agreed.

I really wish more acupuncturists were willing to use Asian

bodywork therapists as supplementaion to what they do.

Our NCCAOM exam is 5 hours long and contains both 5 Element and 8

Principle theory.

The AOBTA expects 500 hours of education as a professional starting

point.

 

As for the acupuncture points, Masunaga influenced traditions like

Ohashiatsu and Mi Zai Shiatsu don't focus on the points. One learns

them but the focus is Meridians.

 

Be with the client in the moment. In my own shiatsu practice I don't

try to do anything other than to " listen " to what presents itself. I

might anticipate things but to do that within the session takes me

out of the communal meditation.

There's nothing I try to " fix " when giving a shiatsu session.

The more " awake " I am to the client the more awake they can learn

to become with themself.

 

Penel

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...>

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> i beg your pardon, had this completely wrong, thought you were a

TCM professional

> and the site a forum for discussion amongst professionals

 

There are many TCM professionals on here. There are also TCM

students and people new to TCM. Part of the group's description

includes " List members include those new to TCM, TCM students, and

various healthcare professionals (Eastern and Western). "

 

I have been getting a lot out of your posts. So have a number of

other posters on the list, including other professionals, TCM

students, and those fairly new to TCM.

 

> which is why i wrote a disclaimer to begin with as a professional

courtesy, i quote

> 'herewith my thoughts on the 5 E Design, which are solely

discussional,

> finally you will diagnose'

 

It's pretty much standard on here that the readers are reminded

frequently that this is a discussion group, that these are things to

be researched further, and talked over with their TCM professionals

(if they're fortunate to have one in the area they live in). It's

also why I'm such a stickler for posting contraindications each time

something is discussed.

 

> when you write, " .... He can find the acupoints, but he's going

to have

> to have a professional tell him which ones to work ... " i have to

tell you

> that is a precarious pursuit, whoever helps him must be a duly

certified

> TCM person, period

>

> 5 E Designs are beguiling and though emphatic in delivering

results, can

> sometimes, when ill understood, cause immense harm

 

Which is why he's going to be told exactly what the

contraindications are and exactly what to look out for. He's also

going to be using acupressure and massage instead of acupuncture or

herbs. The effects of acupressure and massage are not as potent as

that of acupressure and herbs.

 

We walk a balance on here. In an ideal world everyone would live in

an area with at least one very competent and reasonably priced TCM

healer. Everyone would know what TCM can do. The situation in the

West is still very far from ideal. The larger cities have TCM

healers.

 

I wish I had known some of this years ago. Just knowing about Cold

conditions and how ginger tea can bring so much help to me would

have made a big difference. Also, when people get some measure of

relief from TCM (or at least know a little something about TCM),

they are more likely to seek out a professional TCM healer.

 

For me, it was reading a book from the library. Because by that

time I had already been sick for over 20 years, I had figured out

some things on my own, and everything just fell into place for me. I

remember thinking, " I sure would like to see a TCM healer. " At the

time I figured it would have to wait until after we moved and were

in a more populated place. That mostly rural county wouldn't

possibly have something like that. Or so I thought.

 

About a month after that a friend called me. She didn't know about

the book I had read or my interest in seeing a TCM healer. Out of

the blue she told me about her grandmother going to a nearby town to

do some banking. While she was there, the grandmother had stopped

by a health food store to see if the store had something her

granddaughter wanted her to pick up for her. The clerk started

talking about a local herbalist who used Chinese medicine. The

grandmother told her granddaughter who told me, and I was on the

phone making an appointment.

 

After the examination, as he was mixing up the herbs, he broke off a

piece of dried ginger and told me to chew it. I realized within a

few minutes that this was something I definitely needed. (I'm not a

person who is susceptible to a placebo effect.)

 

By that time I had been sick with CFIDS for over 20 years. I was so

sick that all I was really hoping for was some improvement. Even

minor. I wasn't as sick as I had been during the worst of it (when

I couldn't even read), but I was still very sick and not improving

any more. To my great surprise, 3 weeks after starting on the teas,

capsules, and tinctures, I had enough energy to start a regular

light exercise program. That is something I hadn't even dared hope

for. The operative word is " regular " . I could exercise some before

that. I just couldn't do it regularly. When I overdid physically -

and even light physical exertion like going to the doctor was over-

doing for me - I didn't have the energy to do much for a couple of

weeks or longer. I was very favorably impressed.

 

I began to learn all I could. The herbalist taught me a lot. Soon I

was getting TCM texts. I began to write about Chinese medicine. I

started this list so that others could learn.

 

I'm not cured, but I sure like all the improvement. There has been a

vast improvement. The more I learn, the longer I stay on TCM

treatment, the more I improve.

 

Mostly what I do on here is to explain the basics. When the

professionals and students talk among themselves, I often will use

their posts to explain the basics to the people new to TCM. Having

the people new to TCM and the TCM students exposed to the

professionals' posts is shortening their learning time considerably.

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , " hyldemoer " <hyldemoer>

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> Asperger's syndrome fits on the autism spectrum.

> Experience tells me a constitution leaning towards Metal.

 

I remember you told me via private email back when I first posted

that you thought it was Metal. That's being borne out very strongly.

 

> > * Always impatient with an extreme sense of justice - let go,

> > what does it matter to 5 E?

>

> Lots. Metal constitution tends to have boundary issues. I'm way

> surprised she agrees to touch therapy. I'm not saying Metals

> don't want to let us in. Metal constitutions tend to already

> integrated into the external world in ways nonMetals can't

> imagine (picture an empath) and they cope with it by having

> an almost religious tendancy to follow protocol.

> They make great accountants and programers (like Cloe on that tv

> program called " 24 " ).

 

I thought Jim did a very good job on the intake. He provided a very

well-rounded picture of this woman. Because of his intake I have

more sympathy for her now than I did before.

 

The irony is that the very thing that made her such a good ER

doctor - that very careful attention to protocol - is working

against her receiving the help she needs.

 

Thanks.

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