Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Hi all.been a hile since i've posted. I am curious about how surgery effects the meridians. I am contemplating knee surgery, acupuncture has helped tremedously with the pain but I still do have some and limp badly . I sther some oher branch of tcm that i can look into for help. the cartilidge is gone and I have bone spurs due to arthritis. Thanks in advance for yoruconsiderations Rabiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Rabiah: I would save surgery as a last resort. Have you tried Tui na massage, herbs, moxibustion? Are you really sure your knee is the problem, and not an internal organ? By having surgery now, you may be attempting to treat the " tip " of the problem without getting at the " root. " Regards, Jack --- Remediesbyrabiah wrote: > Hi all.been a hile since i've posted. > I am curious about how surgery effects the > meridians. I am contemplating > knee surgery, acupuncture has helped tremedously > with the pain but I still do > have some and limp badly . > I sther some oher branch of tcm that i can look > into for help. the > cartilidge is gone and I have bone spurs due to > arthritis. > Thanks in advance for yoruconsiderations > Rabiah > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 do not despair acup can help tremendously surgery will play havoc with meridians and interrupt the flow, cause stagnation, make Excess before the block, and Emptiness after. establish the 5 element pattern and then treat, results will be spectacular. <cartiledge is gone and I have bone spurs due to arthritis> if qi flows, tissue will follow is it a ST Earth Aggressing against K Water pattern? dr holmes Remediesbyrabiah wrote: >Hi all.been a hile since i've posted. >I am curious about how surgery effects the meridians. I am contemplating >knee surgery, acupuncture has helped tremedously with the pain but I still do >have some and limp badly . > I sther some oher branch of tcm that i can look into for help. the >cartilidge is gone and I have bone spurs due to arthritis. >Thanks in advance for yoruconsiderations >Rabiah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Thank you so much! I truly did not want to go under the kinife all I needed was that little bit of hope. I am not a practitioner so I do not know the particulars from tcm stand point. I was sure there had to be negative consequences and I am so glad that I asked.All the bone doctors agrees that it is a bad knee that requires surgery. If the knee can be help than so can the spine yes? they are not recommending surgery for this but ther is some stenosis in L4 ad L5 and I had a horrible bout of sciatica that lasted for a week and then went away on its own does one contion have anything to do withthe other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 yes Jack it is the knee there are a host of other things too, but the kneewas a stand alone problem years before the rest. I was 34 when they told me it was arthritic that was twenty years ago. So its been a long time deteriorating , just like the rest of me,until about 4years ago when I decided to fight back rabiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 the pattern seem to be somewhat visible and in the hands of a competent 5 elementalist will become quickly clear: sequence 1: bones are greatly involved - a Water illness sequence 2: sudden sciatica - Water lack does not nourish Wood, this stagnated, catches Fire sequence 3: sciatica settles on it's own - a natural Water to Wood pattern confirmed explanation for 3: if a Mother causes Son's illness, Water to Wood, this will resolve by itself L 4 & 5 would relate more to a lower warmer illness which can easily accrue from another more essential pattern here Water is under so much duress and one thinks of a Destroyer Evil, a pathogenic flux the only element come from is from Earth do you have ST SP problems? acidity, esophageal hernia, sudden weight gain, vericose veins, problems with periods, and so on? if this can be confirmed setting treatment protocol will again be easy and results secure dr holmes www.acu-free.com 1.888.TCM.CEUS 826.2387 Remediesbyrabiah wrote: >Thank you so much! I truly did not want to go under the kinife all I needed >was that little bit of hope. I am not a practitioner so I do not know the >particulars from tcm stand point. I was sure there had to be negative >consequences and I am so glad that I asked.All the bone doctors agrees that it is a >bad knee that requires surgery. If the knee can be help than so can the spine >yes? they are not recommending surgery for this but ther is some stenosis in >L4 ad L5 and I had a horrible bout of sciatica that lasted for a week and >then went away on its own does one contion have anything to do withthe other? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Remediesbyrabiah@a... wrote: > Thank you so much! I truly did not want to go under the kinife all I needed > was that little bit of hope. When I saw a TCM herbalist, he had trouble finding a Gall Bladder pulse on me. I had gall bladder surgery over 30 years ago (stones), and that was the start of a lot of chronic health problems for me. So when I read the comment about " emptiness " afterward, it really struck a cord for me. If I had it to do over, I never would have had the surgery. I would have searched for alternatives, and there usually are alternatives for gall bladder surgery. I just didn't know about them back then. It's not that the Chinese don't use surgery. They use it as a last resort when other things won't work or don't work well enough. They are also careful to treat the underlying Root which caused the condition. My gall bladder and the stones were removed, but the underlying Root of Damp Heat was never addressed and treated. There was Excess before (Damp Heat) and Emptiness afterwards. And there were still Damp Heat problems manifesting in other ways in other parts of the body. As Jack and Dr. Holmes have referred to, suspect Kidney imbalance when there are back problems (especially the lower back) and knee problems, and rule in or out. Yeah, surgery can be done on the knees and back, but surgery won't address the Kidney imbalance, and can allow it to get worse the longer it's ignored. The Kidney problems will continue to manifest in other ways and get worse. In many cases, if the Kidney imbalance (and other imbalances) are treated, the surgery may not be necessary. (This is not emergency surgery in which there is not time to find an alternative or wait for it to work.) For the readers on the list who are new to TCM, ST is one of the abbreviations for Stomach. K stands for Kidneys. The names are capitalized because these are the TCM Organs and meridians we're talking about, not the anatomical organs. TCM Organs are defined as groups of functions. For example, the TCM concept of the Kidneys includes not only the functions of the kidneys but many of the functions of the adrenal glands. BTW, considering what Western anatomy and physiology discovered in only the last century about the role of the adrenal glands in bone health, TCM was centuries ahead in recognizing that bone health (as is the health of the teeth) is related to the Kidneys. The Earth (Spleen - Stomach) - Water (Kidneys - Bladder) relationship is that of " Victor-Vanquished " (aka " overacting upon). In a previous post I talked about the Mother-Son (aka generating) *direct* relationship. Tonify (supplement) the Mother, and the Son automatically is tonified. Sedate the Mother, and the Son is sedated. It's a direct relationship. The Victor-Vanquished relationship is an inverse one. If the Victor is tonified, the Vanquished is weakened. If the Victor is weakened, the Vanquished is strengthened. It's an inverse relationship. Note: There also is an " Insulting " sequence. The Vanquished will attack and weaken the Victor. For example, instead of the Victor Metal (Lungs - Large Intestine) controlling the Vanquished Wood (Liver - Gall Bladder), Wood " insults " Metal. What we're talking about here are breathing problems due to Liver problems. Liver Qi Stagnation or Liver Fire are blocking the chest and preventing Lung Qi from descending. Earth (Spleen - Stomach) is the Victor to Vanquished Water (Kidneys - Bladder). Additional note on " Gall Bladder pulse " or rather " pulse in the Gall Bladder position " (to be more apt) for the readers new to TCM: When a TCM healer does a TCM pulse diagnosis, the healer isn't just checking one spot on one arm. The healer is checking 3 pulse positions on each wrist at the same time. Six different locations. Moreover, the healer is taking the pulse with different amounts of pressure applied. At the very least, light pressure at the same time on each of the 6 points for 6 readings, and then deep pressure on each of the 6 points for 6 more readings. Twelve in all. In addition to being able to tell if the problem is Exterior or Interior (and some other things), the individual points can tell the healer a lot about the health of specific Organs. The TCM healer is not only checking the pulse rate and if the pulse is strong or weak, but how the pulse feels beneath the fingers. For example, a " Slippery Pulse " " feels smooth, rounded, slippery to the touch, as if it were oily. It slides under the fingers. " A Slippery Pulse can indicate " Phlegm, Dampness, retention of food or pregnancy. " (Giovanni Maciocia, The Foundations of , p. 168.) A Wiry Pulse " feels taut like a guitar string. It is thinner, more taut and harder than the Tight pulse. The Wiry pulse really hits the fingers. " It can indicate " Liver disharmony, pain, phlegm. " (p. 169) Etc. There are over two dozen basic pulse qualities and dozens of possible combinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...> wrote: > is it a ST Earth Aggressing against K Water pattern? Please go into more detail on Earth Attacking Water. Symptoms and signs. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 In a message dated 4/29/2005 10:59:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, drholmes writes: do you have ST SP problems? acidity, esophageal hernia, sudden weight gain, vericose veins, problems with periods, and so on? if this can be confirmed setting treatment protocol will again be easy and results secure I have stomach and spleen problems definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Remediesbyrabiah@a... wrote: > If the knee can be help than so can the spine > yes? they are not recommending surgery for this but ther is some stenosis in > L4 ad L5 and I had a horrible bout of sciatica that lasted for a week and > then went away on its own does one contion have anything to do with the other? Maybe, maybe not; could indicate a water imbalance as suggested elsewhere. As a massage therapist, I do know that a tight piriformis muscle can create sciatic-like pain. It's attached at the sacrum and to the outer top of the thigh bone. The sciatic nerve runs through it, so when it gets tight and shortened, can compress the nerve and be very painful. Try to find a massage therapist who will check it out and can release it if it's contracted. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 so we'll refine this a little more and get the Design and get to work in a later post till then take care holmes Remediesbyrabiah wrote: > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 10:59:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, >drholmes writes: > >do you have ST SP problems? acidity, esophageal hernia, sudden weight >gain, vericose veins, >problems with periods, and so on? > >if this can be confirmed setting treatment protocol will again be easy >and results secure > > > > >I have stomach and spleen problems definitely > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 one more question, several actually: do you have a fissure, a cut, in the middle of your tongue, and it does not extend to the tip? is the bed of this full of greenish yellow damp? is the underside of your tongue full of veins, or entirely empty of these? do you have a slight yellow discoloration on face at forehead, under eyes? do you have bags under eyes, dried wrinkles under eyes? do these have a dark hue in nay manner? holmes In a message dated 4/29/2005 10:59:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, drholmes writes: do you have ST SP problems? acidity, esophageal hernia, sudden weight gain, vericose veins, problems with periods, and so on? if this can be confirmed setting treatment protocol will again be easy and results secure I have stomach and spleen problems definitely drholmes wrote: >the pattern seem to be somewhat visible and in the hands of a competent >5 elementalist will become quickly clear: > >sequence 1: bones are greatly involved - a Water illness >sequence 2: sudden sciatica - Water lack does not nourish Wood, this >stagnated, catches Fire >sequence 3: sciatica settles on it's own - a natural Water to Wood >pattern confirmed > >explanation for 3: if a Mother causes Son's illness, Water to Wood, this >will resolve by itself > >L 4 & 5 would relate more to a lower warmer illness which can easily >accrue from another more essential pattern > >here Water is under so much duress and one thinks of a Destroyer Evil, a >pathogenic flux > >the only element come from is from Earth > >do you have ST SP problems? acidity, esophageal hernia, sudden weight >gain, vericose veins, >problems with periods, and so on? > >if this can be confirmed setting treatment protocol will again be easy >and results secure > >dr holmes >www.acu-free.com >1.888.TCM.CEUS 826.2387 > > > > > >Remediesbyrabiah wrote: > > > >>Thank you so much! I truly did not want to go under the kinife all I needed >>was that little bit of hope. I am not a practitioner so I do not know the >>particulars from tcm stand point. I was sure there had to be negative >>consequences and I am so glad that I asked.All the bone doctors agrees that it is a >>bad knee that requires surgery. If the knee can be help than so can the spine >>yes? they are not recommending surgery for this but ther is some stenosis in >>L4 ad L5 and I had a horrible bout of sciatica that lasted for a week and >>then went away on its own does one contion have anything to do withthe other? >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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