Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 ABT??? Jeez, Asian Body Therapy? Moxa incorporated into practice? Come on, are we practicing here? Cupping, Tui Na, Qi Gong, Moxabustion, Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine all make up . One does not incorporate something in, or take something out to call it a therapy. Either you learn , or you don't. I have seen adds for people charging separately for cupping, moxa, tui na, Qi Gong like it is a patient's choice. It is not their choice, it is upon their condition which one would use a certain way of . Looking at from a point of view as that of " western medicine " no longer makes it . The commercialism of in the west helps to get the word out, but it takes further away from itself, causing it to become watered down , and in the hands of highly unskilled " lay practitioners " and " western medical doctors " . Moxabustion is a science in and of itself, and can not be learned from a book. Cupping, Tui Na, and esspecially Qi Gong can not be learned from a book. Over all, to understand real , formal training and constant hands on experience will be the only way. Unless one is skilled in Qi Gong to see the points and Qi, and see into the body, they will not need formal training...maybe, and there are not many with that ability, but they are out there. Peace, Lin Ai Wei LAU WAI WING CHUN TONG Shandong - China Meet the all-new My – Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Aiwei Lin <daoist_linaiwei> wrote: > > ABT??? > > Jeez, Asian Body Therapy? Moxa incorporated into practice? > Come on, are we practicing here? > Cupping, Tui Na, Qi Gong, Moxabustion, Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine all make up > . One does not incorporate something in, or take something out to call it a therapy. Either you learn Chinese Medicine, or you don't. Whoa, Lin Ai Wei. You're preaching to the choir here. The situation in the US is very different from that in China and many eastern countries. The reason you see references to " incorporating " elements of Chinese medicine into varous practices is twofold. One, the teachers simply have not been available until recently. The knowledge of these things hasn't been available. More and more of the knowledge has been trickling into the US and becoming accepted. A lot of the medical literature in China still has not been translated into English (and other languages). Some healers aren't waiting for the translations, but learning to read medical Chinese. Learning to read Chinese takes time too. Two, it takes time not only to learn facts but to accept them. It takes even more time to change a paradigm - an overview of what is and is not possible. What often happens is that Chinese medicine changes Western healing practices. Bob Flaws - a Western OMD who did study in China and does read and translates medical Chinese - talks about this in some of his books. He says that when he first started studying Chinese medicine that he was a " purist " . He says that gradually he came to realize that it's not just the herbs and the acupuncture and other things that makes it Chinese medicine, it's the overview. Western MDs and DOs who learn the basics of Chinese medicine start to look at Western medicine with a Chinese medicine perspective. As a result they find that they use Western allopathic medicine a lot more effectively and safer than they did before. Western MDs and DOs and other Western healthcare professionals who come to Chinese medicine often start out wanting to learn one or two things and apply them in a " cookbook " manner. What happens a lot of time is that they are so impression that they want to learn more. They start to learn the Chinese imbalances, how to do a tongue diagnosis, a pulse diagnosis, etc. They start to recognize that some things that stump an allopathic doctor are dealt with extensively in Chinese medicine. They start to automatically think in terms of is this patient too hot, too cold, what effect from a Chinese medicine perspective is this prescription drug having on a patient, why does this asthmatic respond to this treatment but that one doesn't (the underlying imbalances are different), etc.? > I have seen adds for people charging separately for cupping, moxa, tui na, Qi Gong like it is a patient's choice. It is not their choice, it is upon their condition which one would use a certain way of . Excellent point. It gets stressed a lot on here. In Chinese medicine, what is best for and necessary for the individual gets used. > The commercialism of in the west helps to get the word out, but it takes further away from itself, causing it to become watered down , and in the hands of highly unskilled " lay practitioners " and " western medical doctors " . I wouldn't be too hard on " lay practitioners " and " western medical doctors. " Most of them who investigate Chinese medicine want to learn and are learning and gradually incorporating more and more Chinese medicine into their practices. The greatest threat to Chinese medicine in the West comes from the pharmaceutical industry. The companies that do things like include Ma Huang in weight loss formulas. The companies that slap a few Chinese herbs into capsules and market them as one-size-fits-all treatments and ignore individual needs and imbalances and contraindications. There are three distinct groups being served by this list. The first are people who are new to Chinese medicine. They are either interesting in seeing a Chinese medicine healer or are seeing one, and they have questions and want to learn more. From time to time you'll see me making some very basic posts about Chinese medicine. The earliest posts in the message base are designed to walk those new to TCM through the basics and give people some familiarity with the concepts. There are quite a few TCM students on here. They are studying in schools in the US, in other countries around the world, and in China. (There are people from all over the world on this list. Several are in China.) There are a number of professional healers on here - TCM acupuncturists, herbalists, MDs, DOs, chiropractors, nurses, psychologists, massage therapists, etc. From time to time on here you'll see other methods of healing and herbs that are not (yet) in the Chinese Materia Medica mentioned on here. This is not an attempt to water down Chinese medicine but a way of giving back in gratitude for the help that TCM has given so many on this list. > Unless one is skilled in Qi Gong to see the points and Qi, and see into the body, they will not need formal training...maybe, and there are not many with that ability, but they are out there. This is something that I would like to learn more about, and hope you will post more about it. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 I understand what you are saying Lin Ai Wei. For me, Asian bodywork therapy was originally meant as a " foot in the door " into the world of Asian medicine. From there I've gone on to study other branches of Asian, Western and Native American medicine. Perhaps I have, at times, strained relationships with teachers and schools when they've realized the extent of diversity and depth of training I demand in my education. The bottom line, for me however, has been that I always gravitate back to a 50 minute hands on in verbal silence session of Masunaga influenced shiatsu. Its a " mother tongue " I reasonate to. Whatever techniques I've employed with any success over the past 8 years of study have always have fit into that original " dance " taught me by my very first teacher. Coming to this " Chinese Healing " list was a method of supplimenting the 5 Element I use in shiatsu with the 8 Principle Theory I'll need for the 5 hour long NCCAOM exam for ABTs. I love it when practicioners of acupuncture and herbalism choose my practice to suppliment what they do. I have no problem referring out when the case presents more than I can handle with what I offer. What the client needs to learn to come to their own balance is always the priority. With grace hopefully my own balance will come as well. as a companion the journey, Penel > > ABT??? > > Jeez, Asian Body Therapy? Moxa incorporated into practice? > Come on, are we practicing here? > Cupping, Tui Na, Qi Gong, Moxabustion, Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine all make up > . One does not incorporate something in, or take something out to call it a therapy. Either you learn , or you don't. > > I have seen adds for people charging separately for cupping, moxa, tui na, Qi Gong like it is a patient's choice. It is not their choice, it is upon their condition which one would use a certain way of . Looking at from a point of view as that of " western medicine " no longer makes it . > > The commercialism of in the west helps to get the word out, but it takes further away from itself, causing it to become watered down , and in the hands of highly unskilled " lay practitioners " and " western medical doctors " . > > Moxabustion is a science in and of itself, and can not be learned from a book. Cupping, Tui Na, and esspecially Qi Gong can not be learned from a book. Over all, to understand real , formal training and constant hands on experience will be the only way. > > Unless one is skilled in Qi Gong to see the points and Qi, and see into the body, they will not need formal training...maybe, and there are not many with that ability, but they are out there. > > Peace, > > Lin Ai Wei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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