a few more TCM questions, including back treatments

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much to Joyce, Marcos and Victoria for your very

thoughtful and helpful responses to my last complaining e-mail. I

really appreciate the input and feel I get more out the responses on

this great list than my doctor.

 

Victoria, I can't believe you aren't a practitioner. I was

going to

ask where you practiced and make an appointment. I also can't

believe you picked up on the Mono possibility just from my message,

when my doctor who's examined me in person for months, never

mentioned it. I never brought it up to him as I'd pretty much

forgotten that I had it twice as a teenager, and didn't think it

was

relevant. Anyway, yes I will definitely ask my GP for the test.

Also I've heard that when you have a virus and take antibiotics,

they can essentially chase it deeper into the body, eventually into

the blood, and then it gets into the construction of the body. My

TCM doctor has never mentioned this, and I'm wondering if that

may

be what happened to me, and I just never realized what aspects of

Mono might still be lurking in my blood. Would a western monospot

test reveal this, or is it more a TCM concept?

 

Just to recap, my main complaint is depression, and I was diagnosed

with kidney and spleen qi deficiency with phlegm. My herb formula

for the last month contained what the doctor described as

three " heavily sedating herbs, among other things. " I

didn't really

feel sedated, just completely exhausted, and thought he could maybe

lower the dose, or swap one for something else that might be more

helpful. When I suggested it, saying I wasn't feeling any

better,

he said I should find another doctor. Ok, thanks.

 

I did have an acupuncture treatment as well, this time a back

treatment which I've always heard were stronger than front

treatments and had been asking him to do one for several months. He

said he would do the four strongest points on the body and they were

in my palms and middle of the bottom of my feet. I think that's

kidney 1, but I'm sorry, I don't remember what the others are

called.

 

He said with a shen disturbance I would be very conscious of the

pain these points apparently cause a more normal person, but they

didn't really bother me any more than any other points. He was

surprised it didn't hurt, and since I'm quitting anyway, I

guess he

figured he might as well go for broke. I've never felt any

difference after a treatment before, and was shocked that this time

I did. Driving home, all the tension and tightness in my upper back

was completely gone. It was one of those things that become

conspicuous by its absence. I was stunned how different my upper

back felt, and (aside from the upset of a doctor quitting) I am

feeling a bit better emotionally today.

 

I thought nine months of treatment was a long enough time to start

to feel better, but he only now finally gave me a prognosis, and

says it could take " years and years. " So maybe I'm right

on target

if I'm only nine months into years and years of treatment, and

not

just nine months into what should take a year and a half. In that

case, I don't know why he wants to give up, just when I start to

feel something beneficial.

 

Anyway, aside from the question about the Mono test if it's gone

into the construction of my body, may I also please ask about these

four " strongest points " and what that means? It may have

been some

of the other points as well, or just the back treatment in general

that helped, but since nothing else has helped up to now, I'd

like

to know as much as possible about what may have happened. Are back

treatments known for helping patients who have been treatment-

resistant to other methods? I want to have another treatment like

this, or at least get a diagram of what he did, and take it to

someone else if he doesn't want to see me again.

 

Again, sorry this is so long, and thanks so much as always for you

help!

 

Linda

[Guest guest]

Here is some general info on mono:

 

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsConditions/Mononucleosiscc.html

 

Note the reference to folic acid deficiency.

 

This article is just a general intro to some of the alternative

treatments for mono.

 

It doesn't go into all of the herbal and mineral recommendations for

mono. A, C, zinc, and magnesium can be very helpful in battling

infections. It was large dosages of vitamin A which got rid of the

swollen lymph nodes and pharyngitis for me. (Plus got rid of the

brain fog.)

 

The section on Chinese medicine treatment doesn't mention the 6

stages of Cold-Induced Illnesses. It would be best to do additional

research on this.

 

The page mentions several herbs used in TCM, but mentions the way

American medicine would use them. Some of the herbs are Qi tonic

herbs and work on the Spleen to strengthen it. Others are Heat-

clearing herbs.

 

You may also want to check the website acupressure.com. Click on

the articles section. There are two sample chapters from the book

Acupressure's Potent Points, and I believe one of them is the

chapter on helping the immune system.

 

If you do have mono and want to use acupressure and/or massage, you

want to be careful in the area of the spleen (left side) and liver

(right side of body under rib cage). The reaon you want to be very

careful is because the spleen and liver can swell when a person has

mono. The spleen can rupture.

[Guest guest]

--- keats65 <keats65 escreveu:

>

> > Thanks so much to Joyce, Marcos and Victoria for your very

> thoughtful and helpful responses to my last complaining e-mail.

> I

> really appreciate the input and feel I get more out the

> responses on

> this great list than my doctor.

>

> Victoria, I can't believe you aren't a practitioner. I was

> going to

> ask where you practiced and make an appointment. I also can't

> believe you picked up on the Mono possibility just from my

> message,

> when my doctor who's examined me in person for months, never

> mentioned it. I never brought it up to him as I'd pretty much

> forgotten that I had it twice as a teenager, and didn't think

> it

> was

> relevant. Anyway, yes I will definitely ask my GP for the

> test.

> Also I've heard that when you have a virus and take

> antibiotics,

> they can essentially chase it deeper into the body, eventually

> into

> the blood, and then it gets into the construction of the body.

> My

> TCM doctor has never mentioned this, and I'm wondering if that

> may

> be what happened to me, and I just never realized what aspects

> of

> Mono might still be lurking in my blood. Would a western

> monospot

> test reveal this, or is it more a TCM concept?

>

> Just to recap, my main complaint is depression, and I was

> diagnosed

> with kidney and spleen qi deficiency with phlegm. My herb

> formula

> for the last month contained what the doctor described as

> three " heavily sedating herbs, among other things. " I

> didn't really

> feel sedated, just completely exhausted, and thought he could

> maybe

> lower the dose, or swap one for something else that might be

> more

> helpful. When I suggested it, saying I wasn't feeling any

> better,

> he said I should find another doctor. Ok, thanks.

>

> I did have an acupuncture treatment as well, this time a back

> treatment which I've always heard were stronger than front

> treatments and had been asking him to do one for several

> months. He

> said he would do the four strongest points on the body and they

> were

> in my palms and middle of the bottom of my feet. I think

> that's

> kidney 1, but I'm sorry, I don't remember what the others are

> called.

>

> He said with a shen disturbance I would be very conscious of

> the

> pain these points apparently cause a more normal person, but

> they

> didn't really bother me any more than any other points. He was

> surprised it didn't hurt, and since I'm quitting anyway, I

> guess he

> figured he might as well go for broke. I've never felt any

> difference after a treatment before, and was shocked that this

> time

> I did. Driving home, all the tension and tightness in my upper

> back

> was completely gone. It was one of those things that become

> conspicuous by its absence. I was stunned how different my

> upper

> back felt, and (aside from the upset of a doctor quitting) I am

 

 

Nothing like a deadline to bring out the best;-)

I understand he treated the back-shu points AND yongquan-Kid1,

laogong-Pc8(or Ht8) on this last visit?

I've never seen them callen 'four strongest points' as there are

plenty of other candidates for that, maybe it refers to 'strong

effect'.

Now it is interesting that these points(k1, Pc8, Ht8) are all

reducing in excess yang and empty-fire, bringing down excess

yang. And Kd1 has a nurturing effect on Liver(Wood)yin (which

rules tendons). Spleen qi deficiency can be brought about by

excess of Liver qi, in this case yang of the liver, since there

is probably a def.of yin of liver together(and resultant of)def.

of kidney yin. Kd1 is an interesting choice for that, and the

others take care of the empty-fire, plus the back-shu to nurture

the zang-fu(organs and viscera) and you got a good combination!

 

Marcos

 

 

> feeling a bit better emotionally today.

>

> I thought nine months of treatment was a long enough time to

> start

> to feel better, but he only now finally gave me a prognosis,

> and

> says it could take " years and years. " So maybe I'm right

> on target

> if I'm only nine months into years and years of treatment, and

> not

> just nine months into what should take a year and a half. In

> that

> case, I don't know why he wants to give up, just when I start

> to

> feel something beneficial.

>

> Anyway, aside from the question about the Mono test if it's

> gone

> into the construction of my body, may I also please ask about

> these

> four " strongest points " and what that means? It may have

> been some

> of the other points as well, or just the back treatment in

> general

> that helped, but since nothing else has helped up to now, I'd

> like

> to know as much as possible about what may have happened. Are

> back

> treatments known for helping patients who have been treatment-

> resistant to other methods? I want to have another treatment

> like

> this, or at least get a diagram of what he did, and take it to

> someone else if he doesn't want to see me again.

>

> Again, sorry this is so long, and thanks so much as always for

> you

> help!

>

> Linda

>

>

 

 

 

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