Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I've posted to this and other groups with some desperation over the last few months, so this post isn't a crank. I found temporary relief from brain fog that might help you, too. It's detailed in " Natural Detoxification: A Practical Encyclopedia " (Jacqueline Krohn, MD, & Frances Taylor, MA; Hartley & Marks Publishers, PO Box 147, Pt.Roberts, WA 98281, $24.95), p. 406. The authors have a practice in New Mexico. It references a citrus drink and " Polari tea " flush by Christopher Hobbs, a master herbalist and acupuncturist. I tried it once, and was able to eat dairy products w/o brain fog for several days. I'm going to try it for the recommended 10 days to see if it cuts the fog more severely. I'm posting it in case you'd like to try it. Krohn's book is a bit scary, claiming there are toxins in everything we eat, and includes horror stories of people who've used the authors' methods and discovered they'd had parasites for years, etc. Many of the authors' assertions aren't explained, making readers wonder about their claims. They say not to take an enema with tap water (I discovered later that's b/c city water is chlorinated, which kills the good bacteria during this process). They should've explained why. The authors claim coffee enemas are good for you and were practiced for centuries until a few decades ago. This is portrayed as something that should still be practiced ( " bleeding " was done for centuries too!). I dismissed their claims of the flush as they didn't say for how long to do it, but more explanation is in " Alternative Medicine Guide to Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and Environmental Illness " (by Burton Goldberg and the Editors of Alternative Medicine Digest, 1998, Future Medicine Publishing Inc, Tiburon, CA 94920, p.148), and thought I'd try it. Neither book gives the function of the herbs. I looked them up, wrote everything down, and promptly forgot where I put it or what it said. Perhaps you can relate? The Goldberg book says to take the citrus-tea flush for 10 days to flush out your liver. Stop for 3 days, then do it for 10 days more. Krohn (abv) then says a coffee enema is good (don't do it before the citrus-tea flush or you'll have a spastic colon for days, as I discovered!). I'll post the coffee enema details later if you want them. That's supposed to flush out the liver, too. THE FLUSH (2 PARTS) Citrus Drink 1 cup of freshly squeezed lemon juice (can contain lime or grapefruit; lemon should be most of it though; 4 lemons give about 1 cup) 2 cloves garlic, chopped finely 1 Tablespoon (extra virgin or virgin) olive oil shredded ginger (use a cheese grater; no amt given; maybe a teaspoon's worth or less as it tastes strong) Mix and drink. (I did it in 3 gulps!) It's sour, but not too bad. Brush your teeth w/baking soda to neutralize the acid on your teeth! Wait 1 hour. Do not eat any foods during this time (no mention as to fluids). After 1 hour, drink 2 cups of Polari Tea: 1 Tablespoon fennel 1 Tbsp flax (unspecified form; I use the seeds) ¼ Tbsp burdock (unspecified form; I use the root) 1 Tbsp fenugreek ¼ Tbsp licorice ½ Tbsp marshmallow root (optional) (If you're making a big batch, the above comes out to ¼ cup of the herb mixture.) Simmer in 20 oz water (2 cups; use 2½ or 3 cups as the herbs absorb water) for 20 minutes. Add 1 Tbsp peppermint; simmer 10 minutes, then drink. It tastes pleasant. (You can make several quarts to drink later.) I ate the soggy herbs that remained to get everything out of them. Neither book says how long to wait before eating solid food. I wait about 1 hr. You'll feel the fog lifting throughout this process. Try it on a weekend to see how it affects you. They say it's " best " in the morning on an empty stomach; I did it then wks ago and last night before dinner w/o a problem. Neither drink made me sick or anything. WHERE TO BUY Buy lemons in the supermarket (2 for 78 cts) or at a farmer's market (3 for $1). They looked nicer in the supermarket, but both looked and tasted the same when cut open. Ginger is at Wegman's ($1.99/lb) or at a farmer's market (same price). Nature's Way sells it for $8.99/lb! Garlic is at a supermarket or farmer's market (cheaper at a f.m.). I squeezed the lemons without a rind grater (for making orange juice – remember those plastic thingy-ies made by Tupperware? Use one or you'll be sore doing it by hand!), but did it with a " Juicer " Sis got me for Xmas last night. (I didn't keep track as to quantity, as I peeled and skinned nearly 30 lemons and just wanted to get it done with before " Lost " and before it got too late!) Buy the herbs at a health food store as they're cheaper than online. They're usu. less than $1/oz. You'll be stunned at the mark-up on bottled herbs in the supermarket! (Highway robbery!) As I've been saying, dairy products give me brain fog, and no specialist has been able to tell me why. After I took this flush one Saturday morning before Xmas, I could eat dairy for about a week w/o brain fog. It gradually crept up on me w/in a wk, and my memory was a little better during that time. I'm going to try it for a longer time to see what happens. I'll let you know how things turn out. Good luck! 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Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 This is really interesting. Thank you for posting the reference. I want to say something, but I don't want this to sound insulting in any way. I've heard over and again that dairy is something that adults typically do not need, that it is an allergenic and causes problems even when the symptoms are not overtly noticable ... why do you continue to eat dairy? The brain fog it causes you may be eleviated by this tea, but I am concerned that it may be causing you problems that are less noticeable or attributable to the dairy. Forgive my intrusion. herbal remedies , " apchat2000 " <apchat@m...> wrote: > > > I've posted to this and other groups with some desperation over the > last few months, so this post isn't a crank. I found temporary > relief from brain fog that might help you, too. > > It's detailed in " Natural Detoxification: A Practical Encyclopedia " > (Jacqueline Krohn, MD, & Frances Taylor, MA; Hartley & Marks > Publishers, PO Box 147, Pt.Roberts, WA 98281, $24.95), p. 406. The > authors have a practice in New Mexico. It references a citrus drink > and " Polari tea " flush by Christopher Hobbs, a master herbalist and > acupuncturist. I tried it once, and was able to eat dairy products > w/o brain fog for several days. I'm going to try it for the > recommended 10 days to see if it cuts the fog more severely. I'm > posting it in case you'd like to try it. > > Krohn's book is a bit scary, claiming there are toxins in everything > we eat, and includes horror stories of people who've used the > authors' methods and discovered they'd had parasites for years, etc. > Many of the authors' assertions aren't explained, making readers > wonder about their claims. They say not to take an enema with tap > water (I discovered later that's b/c city water is chlorinated, which > kills the good bacteria during this process). They should've > explained why. The authors claim coffee enemas are good for you and > were practiced for centuries until a few decades ago. This is > portrayed as something that should still be practiced ( " bleeding " was > done for centuries too!). > > I dismissed their claims of the flush as they didn't say for how long > to do it, but more explanation is in " Alternative Medicine Guide to > Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and Environmental Illness " (by Burton > Goldberg and the Editors of Alternative Medicine Digest, 1998, Future > Medicine Publishing Inc, Tiburon, CA 94920, p.148), and thought I'd > try it. Neither book gives the function of the herbs. I looked them > up, wrote everything down, and promptly forgot where I put it or what > it said. Perhaps you can relate? > > The Goldberg book says to take the citrus-tea flush for 10 days to > flush out your liver. Stop for 3 days, then do it for 10 days more. > Krohn (abv) then says a coffee enema is good (don't do it before the > citrus-tea flush or you'll have a spastic colon for days, as I > discovered!). I'll post the coffee enema details later if you want > them. That's supposed to flush out the liver, too. > > THE FLUSH (2 PARTS) > Citrus Drink > 1 cup of freshly squeezed lemon juice (can contain lime or > grapefruit; lemon should be most of it though; 4 lemons give about 1 > cup) > 2 cloves garlic, chopped finely > 1 Tablespoon (extra virgin or virgin) olive oil > shredded ginger (use a cheese grater; no amt given; maybe a > teaspoon's worth or less as it tastes strong) > > Mix and drink. (I did it in 3 gulps!) It's sour, but not too bad. > Brush your teeth w/baking soda to neutralize the acid on your teeth! > Wait 1 hour. Do not eat any foods during this time (no mention as to > fluids). > After 1 hour, drink 2 cups of Polari Tea: > 1 Tablespoon fennel > 1 Tbsp flax (unspecified form; I use the seeds) > ¼ Tbsp burdock (unspecified form; I use the root) > 1 Tbsp fenugreek > ¼ Tbsp licorice > ½ Tbsp marshmallow root (optional) > > (If you're making a big batch, the above comes out to ¼ cup of the > herb mixture.) > > Simmer in 20 oz water (2 cups; use 2½ or 3 cups as the herbs absorb > water) for 20 minutes. Add 1 Tbsp peppermint; simmer 10 minutes, > then drink. It tastes pleasant. (You can make several quarts to > drink later.) I ate the soggy herbs that remained to get everything > out of them. > > Neither book says how long to wait before eating solid food. I wait > about 1 hr. > > You'll feel the fog lifting throughout this process. Try it on a > weekend to see how it affects you. They say it's " best " in the > morning on an empty stomach; I did it then wks ago and last night > before dinner w/o a problem. Neither drink made me sick or anything. > > WHERE TO BUY > Buy lemons in the supermarket (2 for 78 cts) or at a farmer's market > (3 for $1). They looked nicer in the supermarket, but both looked > and tasted the same when cut open. Ginger is at Wegman's ($1.99/lb) > or at a farmer's market (same price). Nature's Way sells it for > $8.99/lb! Garlic is at a supermarket or farmer's market (cheaper at > a f.m.). > > I squeezed the lemons without a rind grater (for making orange juice – > remember those plastic thingy-ies made by Tupperware? Use one or > you'll be sore doing it by hand!), but did it with a " Juicer " Sis got > me for Xmas last night. (I didn't keep track as to quantity, as I > peeled and skinned nearly 30 lemons and just wanted to get it done > with before " Lost " and before it got too late!) > > Buy the herbs at a health food store as they're cheaper than online. > They're usu. less than $1/oz. You'll be stunned at the mark-up on > bottled herbs in the supermarket! (Highway robbery!) > > As I've been saying, dairy products give me brain fog, and no > specialist has been able to tell me why. After I took this flush one > Saturday morning before Xmas, I could eat dairy for about a week w/o > brain fog. It gradually crept up on me w/in a wk, and my memory was > a little better during that time. I'm going to try it for a longer > time to see what happens. I'll let you know how things turn out. > Good luck! > > > Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Interesting that you are sensitive to the reactions of dairy. I have taken lactase pills for some time, and have gone off the dairy on the occasion, but have never considered the actual " phlegm " (in tcm terms) obstruction possibility. Certainly, it could lodge the Spleen so that impairment would cause a foggy sensation. Then to clear it out (with the Liver of course), would move the obstruction. Not certain that i would do the cleanse now though as it's winter and cleanses are indicated more towards Spring and Summer, but it's a good idea. Hobbs i think got the recipe from Bruce Berger, it's known as the Polarity Flush. You go through a tiered diet wherein you see what foods you are sensitive too while cleansing the system. Tym Brain Fog: Temp. Relief w/Polari Tea I've posted to this and other groups with some desperation over the last few months, so this post isn't a crank. I found temporary relief from brain fog that might help you, too. It's detailed in " Natural Detoxification: A Practical Encyclopedia " (Jacqueline Krohn, MD, & Frances Taylor, MA; Hartley & Marks Publishers, PO Box 147, Pt.Roberts, WA 98281, $24.95), p. 406. The authors have a practice in New Mexico. It references a citrus drink and " Polari tea " flush by Christopher Hobbs, a master herbalist and acupuncturist. I tried it once, and was able to eat dairy products w/o brain fog for several days. I'm going to try it for the recommended 10 days to see if it cuts the fog more severely. I'm posting it in case you'd like to try it. Krohn's book is a bit scary, claiming there are toxins in everything we eat, and includes horror stories of people who've used the authors' methods and discovered they'd had parasites for years, etc. Many of the authors' assertions aren't explained, making readers wonder about their claims. They say not to take an enema with tap water (I discovered later that's b/c city water is chlorinated, which kills the good bacteria during this process). They should've explained why. The authors claim coffee enemas are good for you and were practiced for centuries until a few decades ago. This is portrayed as something that should still be practiced ( " bleeding " was done for centuries too!). I dismissed their claims of the flush as they didn't say for how long to do it, but more explanation is in " Alternative Medicine Guide to Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and Environmental Illness " (by Burton Goldberg and the Editors of Alternative Medicine Digest, 1998, Future Medicine Publishing Inc, Tiburon, CA 94920, p.148), and thought I'd try it. Neither book gives the function of the herbs. I looked them up, wrote everything down, and promptly forgot where I put it or what it said. Perhaps you can relate? The Goldberg book says to take the citrus-tea flush for 10 days to flush out your liver. Stop for 3 days, then do it for 10 days more. Krohn (abv) then says a coffee enema is good (don't do it before the citrus-tea flush or you'll have a spastic colon for days, as I discovered!). I'll post the coffee enema details later if you want them. That's supposed to flush out the liver, too. THE FLUSH (2 PARTS) Citrus Drink 1 cup of freshly squeezed lemon juice (can contain lime or grapefruit; lemon should be most of it though; 4 lemons give about 1 cup) 2 cloves garlic, chopped finely 1 Tablespoon (extra virgin or virgin) olive oil shredded ginger (use a cheese grater; no amt given; maybe a teaspoon's worth or less as it tastes strong) Mix and drink. (I did it in 3 gulps!) It's sour, but not too bad. Brush your teeth w/baking soda to neutralize the acid on your teeth! Wait 1 hour. Do not eat any foods during this time (no mention as to fluids). After 1 hour, drink 2 cups of Polari Tea: 1 Tablespoon fennel 1 Tbsp flax (unspecified form; I use the seeds) ¼ Tbsp burdock (unspecified form; I use the root) 1 Tbsp fenugreek ¼ Tbsp licorice ½ Tbsp marshmallow root (optional) (If you're making a big batch, the above comes out to ¼ cup of the herb mixture.) Simmer in 20 oz water (2 cups; use 2½ or 3 cups as the herbs absorb water) for 20 minutes. Add 1 Tbsp peppermint; simmer 10 minutes, then drink. It tastes pleasant. (You can make several quarts to drink later.) I ate the soggy herbs that remained to get everything out of them. Neither book says how long to wait before eating solid food. I wait about 1 hr. You'll feel the fog lifting throughout this process. Try it on a weekend to see how it affects you. They say it's " best " in the morning on an empty stomach; I did it then wks ago and last night before dinner w/o a problem. Neither drink made me sick or anything. WHERE TO BUY Buy lemons in the supermarket (2 for 78 cts) or at a farmer's market (3 for $1). They looked nicer in the supermarket, but both looked and tasted the same when cut open. Ginger is at Wegman's ($1.99/lb) or at a farmer's market (same price). Nature's Way sells it for $8.99/lb! Garlic is at a supermarket or farmer's market (cheaper at a f.m.). I squeezed the lemons without a rind grater (for making orange juice – remember those plastic thingy-ies made by Tupperware? Use one or you'll be sore doing it by hand!), but did it with a " Juicer " Sis got me for Xmas last night. (I didn't keep track as to quantity, as I peeled and skinned nearly 30 lemons and just wanted to get it done with before " Lost " and before it got too late!) Buy the herbs at a health food store as they're cheaper than online. They're usu. less than $1/oz. You'll be stunned at the mark-up on bottled herbs in the supermarket! (Highway robbery!) As I've been saying, dairy products give me brain fog, and no specialist has been able to tell me why. After I took this flush one Saturday morning before Xmas, I could eat dairy for about a week w/o brain fog. It gradually crept up on me w/in a wk, and my memory was a little better during that time. I'm going to try it for a longer time to see what happens. I'll let you know how things turn out. Good luck! Glenn -- Tymothy jellyphish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Glenn: Bleeding is still practiced in China. my doctor regularly bleeds me in the course of acupuncture treatments, it is one way to eliminate pathogens, especially from the terminal acupoint of a meridian. By looking at the color of my blood, my doctor can discern the condition of my Qi. Bleeding is found in contemporary Chinese acupuncture textbooks as well. Bleeding is just one among an array of acupuncture techniques. Maybe it is the so-called " advanced " West that has forsaken the ancient art of blood - letting, to its own detriment. best, Jack You wrote: " The authors claim coffee enemas are good for you and were practiced for centuries until a few decades ago. This is portrayed as something that should still be practiced ( " bleeding " was done for centuries too!). " Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 The so-called " Polari Tea " you list below as well as the rest happens to be an ancient Ayurvedic rx used by many for centuries including yours truly....just wondering who named it or claimed it " Polari " . My Indian ancestors have been using this for centuries! LOL, TH Tymothy <jellyphish wrote: Interesting that you are sensitive to the reactions of dairy. I have taken lactase pills for some time, and have gone off the dairy on the occasion, but have never considered the actual " phlegm " (in tcm terms) obstruction possibility. Certainly, it could lodge the Spleen so that impairment would cause a foggy sensation. Then to clear it out (with the Liver of course), would move the obstruction. Not certain that i would do the cleanse now though as it's winter and cleanses are indicated more towards Spring and Summer, but it's a good idea. Hobbs i think got the recipe from Bruce Berger, it's known as the Polarity Flush. You go through a tiered diet wherein you see what foods you are sensitive too while cleansing the system. Tym Brain Fog: Temp. Relief w/Polari Tea I've posted to this and other groups with some desperation over the last few months, so this post isn't a crank. I found temporary relief from brain fog that might help you, too. It's detailed in " Natural Detoxification: A Practical Encyclopedia " (Jacqueline Krohn, MD, & Frances Taylor, MA; Hartley & Marks Publishers, PO Box 147, Pt.Roberts, WA 98281, $24.95), p. 406. The authors have a practice in New Mexico. It references a citrus drink and " Polari tea " flush by Christopher Hobbs, a master herbalist and acupuncturist. I tried it once, and was able to eat dairy products w/o brain fog for several days. I'm going to try it for the recommended 10 days to see if it cuts the fog more severely. I'm posting it in case you'd like to try it. Krohn's book is a bit scary, claiming there are toxins in everything we eat, and includes horror stories of people who've used the authors' methods and discovered they'd had parasites for years, etc. Many of the authors' assertions aren't explained, making readers wonder about their claims. They say not to take an enema with tap water (I discovered later that's b/c city water is chlorinated, which kills the good bacteria during this process). They should've explained why. The authors claim coffee enemas are good for you and were practiced for centuries until a few decades ago. This is portrayed as something that should still be practiced ( " bleeding " was done for centuries too!). I dismissed their claims of the flush as they didn't say for how long to do it, but more explanation is in " Alternative Medicine Guide to Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and Environmental Illness " (by Burton Goldberg and the Editors of Alternative Medicine Digest, 1998, Future Medicine Publishing Inc, Tiburon, CA 94920, p.148), and thought I'd try it. Neither book gives the function of the herbs. I looked them up, wrote everything down, and promptly forgot where I put it or what it said. Perhaps you can relate? The Goldberg book says to take the citrus-tea flush for 10 days to flush out your liver. Stop for 3 days, then do it for 10 days more. Krohn (abv) then says a coffee enema is good (don't do it before the citrus-tea flush or you'll have a spastic colon for days, as I discovered!). I'll post the coffee enema details later if you want them. That's supposed to flush out the liver, too. THE FLUSH (2 PARTS) Citrus Drink 1 cup of freshly squeezed lemon juice (can contain lime or grapefruit; lemon should be most of it though; 4 lemons give about 1 cup) 2 cloves garlic, chopped finely 1 Tablespoon (extra virgin or virgin) olive oil shredded ginger (use a cheese grater; no amt given; maybe a teaspoon's worth or less as it tastes strong) Mix and drink. (I did it in 3 gulps!) It's sour, but not too bad. Brush your teeth w/baking soda to neutralize the acid on your teeth! Wait 1 hour. Do not eat any foods during this time (no mention as to fluids). After 1 hour, drink 2 cups of Polari Tea: 1 Tablespoon fennel 1 Tbsp flax (unspecified form; I use the seeds) ¼ Tbsp burdock (unspecified form; I use the root) 1 Tbsp fenugreek ¼ Tbsp licorice ½ Tbsp marshmallow root (optional) (If you're making a big batch, the above comes out to ¼ cup of the herb mixture.) Simmer in 20 oz water (2 cups; use 2½ or 3 cups as the herbs absorb water) for 20 minutes. Add 1 Tbsp peppermint; simmer 10 minutes, then drink. It tastes pleasant. (You can make several quarts to drink later.) I ate the soggy herbs that remained to get everything out of them. Neither book says how long to wait before eating solid food. I wait about 1 hr. You'll feel the fog lifting throughout this process. Try it on a weekend to see how it affects you. They say it's " best " in the morning on an empty stomach; I did it then wks ago and last night before dinner w/o a problem. Neither drink made me sick or anything. WHERE TO BUY Buy lemons in the supermarket (2 for 78 cts) or at a farmer's market (3 for $1). They looked nicer in the supermarket, but both looked and tasted the same when cut open. Ginger is at Wegman's ($1.99/lb) or at a farmer's market (same price). Nature's Way sells it for $8.99/lb! Garlic is at a supermarket or farmer's market (cheaper at a f.m.). I squeezed the lemons without a rind grater (for making orange juice – remember those plastic thingy-ies made by Tupperware? Use one or you'll be sore doing it by hand!), but did it with a " Juicer " Sis got me for Xmas last night. (I didn't keep track as to quantity, as I peeled and skinned nearly 30 lemons and just wanted to get it done with before " Lost " and before it got too late!) Buy the herbs at a health food store as they're cheaper than online. They're usu. less than $1/oz. You'll be stunned at the mark-up on bottled herbs in the supermarket! (Highway robbery!) As I've been saying, dairy products give me brain fog, and no specialist has been able to tell me why. After I took this flush one Saturday morning before Xmas, I could eat dairy for about a week w/o brain fog. It gradually crept up on me w/in a wk, and my memory was a little better during that time. I'm going to try it for a longer time to see what happens. I'll let you know how things turn out. Good luck! 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Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Jack, I had no idea bleeding was still practiced. I have no opinion on whether it's good or bad, although here it's seen as a backward practice that prohibited the body from fighting infections with less blood. Maybe the Chinese see things differently. If it works, go with it, I say! Glenn Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy> wrote: > > Glenn: > > Bleeding is still practiced in China. my doctor > regularly bleeds me in the course of acupuncture > treatments, it is one way to eliminate pathogens, > especially from the terminal acupoint of a meridian. > > By looking at the color of my blood, my doctor can > discern the condition of my Qi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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