Please help... unbalanced hormones.

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

 

A few years back a doctor prescribed finasteride for me, the hair

loss drug, althought I told him I was scared of the side effects and

didn't want it, he convinced me it was safe. Now after 5 years I

still suffer from the side effects. I am currently 27 years old.

 

The side effects include

-loss of libido

-inability to ejaculate and orgasm

-lack of emotions

-some errection difficulties (maybe related to stress and low libido)

 

After visiting numerous doctors and not getting the answers I needed.

I am currently seeing a TCM practioner. She's trying accupuncture,

and prescribing me vitamins and also getting me meds which are

suppose to stregthen my liver.

 

Western Ideology:

-------------------

In western medicine, my hormones are unbalanced due to use of

finasteride, as it supposedly blocks the conversation of Testosterone

to DHT, somehow this threw my entire system out of whack and today, I

have low DHT, LH (signals the testes to produce testosterone), FSH

(signals the testes to produce sperm), low Testosterone, low Free

Testosterone and high Estrogen.

 

From my understanding of western medicine testosterone converts to

estrogen and estrogen provides the feedback loop for the pituitary to

send LH and FSH hormones to produce more testosterone.

 

If anyone knows what herbs or treatment methods to fix this, please

let me know.

 

My hormones

DHT: 37 Range 25-75 ng/dl (low for my age)

Total T: 462 Range 260-1000 ng/dl (low for my age)

Free T: 120.8 Range 50-210 pg/ml (low for my age)

FSH: 2.3 Range 1.4-18.1 MIU/ML (low for my age)

LH: 3.9 Range 1.5-9.3 MIU/ML (low for my age)

Estradiol (the strongest Estrogen): 59 PG/ML Range 10-51 PG/ML

(Estradiol levels are high)

 

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

> A few years back a doctor prescribed finasteride for me, the hair

> loss drug, althought I told him I was scared of the side effects

and

> didn't want it, he convinced me it was safe. Now after 5 years I

> still suffer from the side effects. I am currently 27 years old.

>

> The side effects include

> -loss of libido

> -inability to ejaculate and orgasm

> -lack of emotions

> -some errection difficulties (maybe related to stress and low

libido)

 

What is your TCM diagnosis? Has your acupunturist told you?

[Guest guest]

She just told me my right kidney and liver felt weak from pulse

diagnosis. She said maybe other people don't get the side effects

cause they're liver and kidney's are stronger.

 

What should I ask her?

 

Thanks!

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon> wrote:

> > A few years back a doctor prescribed finasteride for me, the hair

> > loss drug, althought I told him I was scared of the side effects

> and

> > didn't want it, he convinced me it was safe. Now after 5 years I

> > still suffer from the side effects. I am currently 27 years old.

> >

> > The side effects include

> > -loss of libido

> > -inability to ejaculate and orgasm

> > -lack of emotions

> > -some errection difficulties (maybe related to stress and low

> libido)

>

> What is your TCM diagnosis? Has your acupunturist told you?

[Guest guest]

One more thing, she also said she wants to give me a shot of

chrysocan, it's suppose to give good errections up to 2 weeks.

 

Has anyone ever heard of Chrysocan, she said its homeopathic

medicine, but I've searched the net and couldn't find any references

to it.

 

Thanks!!!

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " swrtw " <swrtw2001> wrote:

> She just told me my right kidney and liver felt weak from pulse

> diagnosis. She said maybe other people don't get the side effects

> cause they're liver and kidney's are stronger.

>

> What should I ask her?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

> <victoria_dragon> wrote:

> > > A few years back a doctor prescribed finasteride for me, the

hair

> > > loss drug, althought I told him I was scared of the side

effects

> > and

> > > didn't want it, he convinced me it was safe. Now after 5 years

I

> > > still suffer from the side effects. I am currently 27 years old.

> > >

> > > The side effects include

> > > -loss of libido

> > > -inability to ejaculate and orgasm

> > > -lack of emotions

> > > -some errection difficulties (maybe related to stress and low

> > libido)

> >

> > What is your TCM diagnosis? Has your acupunturist told you?

[Guest guest]

Welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine.

 

I'm playing catch-up with list mail today. Your question and

concerns deserve a well-thought-out response. Unfortunately a big

storm has hit this area, and the lights already have flickered a

couple of times.

 

Hopefully I can get back to answering mail tonight if the storm

passes (and we still have power).

 

Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I wasn't just ignoring you.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Hi Victoria,

 

Thank you, I really appreciate your help, as I honestly have no idea

what to do at the moment.

 

She the TCM practioner, also asked if I wanted to take shot of

chrysocor, do you or anyone else know anything about this.

 

I found a link on it, but it doesn't tell me what its composed of

 

http://www.pleosanum.com/medica/m-chrysocor.html

 

Thanks!!!

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon> wrote:

> Welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine.

>

> I'm playing catch-up with list mail today. Your question and

> concerns deserve a well-thought-out response. Unfortunately a big

> storm has hit this area, and the lights already have flickered a

> couple of times.

>

> Hopefully I can get back to answering mail tonight if the storm

> passes (and we still have power).

>

> Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I wasn't just ignoring you.

>

> Victoria

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> I found a link on it, but it doesn't tell me what its composed of

> http://www.pleosanum.com/medica/m-chrysocor.html

 

Yes it does.

" Active ingredient: Placenta hydrolysate (human) 3X

Composition: 1 Sips of 2 ml contains: Medically

active substance: 2 ml placenta hydrolysate (human)

3X aqueous dilut.

Other constituents: isotonic sodium chloride solution. "

[Guest guest]

> A few years back a doctor prescribed finasteride for me, the hair

> loss drug, althought I told him I was scared of the side effects

and

> didn't want it, he convinced me it was safe. Now after 5 years I

> still suffer from the side effects. I am currently 27 years old.

>

> The side effects include

> -loss of libido

> -inability to ejaculate and orgasm

> -lack of emotions

> -some errection difficulties (maybe related to stress and low

libido)

 

There is a lot here that needs to be addressed so I'm going to

address different issues in this and other posts.

 

The first thing most TCM healers are going to think when they read

those 4 symptoms is Kidney Yang Deficiency? followed by Kidney Jing

Deficiency?.

 

Some of the symptoms and signs of Kidney Yang Deficiency

include " soreness of the back, cold knees, sensation of cold in the

back, aversion to cold, weak legs, bright-white complexion, weak

knees, impotence, premature ejaculation, lassitude, abundant-clear

urinaltion, scanty-clear urination, apathy, oedema of the legs,

infertility in women, poor appetite, loose stools. Tongue: Pale,

Swollen, Wet. Pulse: Deep-Weak. key symptoms; cold in the back,

abundant-clear urination, Pale tongue, Deep Pulse. " (Giovanni

maciocia, The Foundations of , p. 253.) Note that

Maciocia mentions " apathy " . This can be another way of saying no

emotions. (A Deep pulse is one which can be felt the strongest when

a lot of pressure is placed on the wrist. A " Floating " Pulse (see

next paragraph) is one that is felt the strongest with the least

pressure on the wrist. A Weak pulse is one that is hard to feel.)

 

The symtoms and signs of Kidney Jing (Essence) Deficiency in adults

include " softening of bones, weakness of knees and legs, poor

memory, loose teeth, falling hair or premature greying of hair,

weakness of sexual activity, soreness of the back. Tongue; Red and

Peeled. Pulse: Floating-Empty or Leather. Key symptoms: weak knees,

falling hair, weak sexual activity. (p. 256.) (An Empty pulse is one

that feels " big " (spread out under the finger), but with slight

pressure one no longer feels pressure from the pulse. Think of a

tube made out of a tissue, and how the least pressure can cause it

to " collapse " . A " Leather pulse is one that feels hard and like it's

tight ( " stretched like the head of a drum " ) when just a little

pressure is placed on the wrist, but when you press harder, it feels

empty at the deep level. It's also a large pulse (as opposed to a

thin pulse that feels very narrow beneath your finger).

 

I also want to give the signs and symptoms of Kidney Yin Deficiency

for reasons which I will explain later. " Dizziness, tinnitus,

vertigo, poor memory, deafness, night sweating, dry mouth at night,

5-palm heat, thirst, sore back, ache in bones, nocturnal emissions,

constipation, dark-scanty urine. Tongue: Red, no coating, cracks.

Pulse: Floating-Empty and Rapid. Key symptoms: dry mouth at night,

night sweating, Red-Peeled tongue. (p. 252).

 

The reason I also gave the signs and symptoms for Kidney Yin

Deficiency is that if a person is Kidney Yang Deficient, he or she

almost always will be Kidney Yin Deficient too but to a much lesser

degree. Likewise, if a person is Kidney Yin Deficient, he or she

almost always also will be Kidney Yang Deficient to a lesser extent.

Over the course of an illness or the course of treatment, the other

may come to predominate. A person who is predominately Kidney Yang

Deficient will become predominately Kidney Yin Deficient, and vice

versa.

 

The Kidneys supply Yang and Yin to the rest of the body. This is why

the effects of Kidney Yang or Kidney Yin Deficiency can be so far-

reaching. Kidney Yang and Kidney Yin Deficiency can take some time

to treat. It doesn't take as long as treating some of the Phlegm

disorders, but it can take longer than treating some other

imbalances.

 

You may want to get an exact TCM diagnosis from your acupuncturist.

That way people on the list can make recommendations about some

things you can do for yourself (like diet) in addition to

acupunction that may speed the healing time.

 

You mentioned 4 side effects. I can guarantee that in addition to

what you told your acupunturist that she was (and is) observing

things about you that you didn't even know could be symptoms. Like

how strong or weak your voice is, the way you carry yourself, how

rapid or how slow you move and speak, any unusual skin tones, etc.

[Guest guest]

Hi Victoria,

 

I want to thank you for responding to my post in such great detail.

I've printed out your response and Im trying to learn more about it.

I'm also reading the link you posted

www.acupuncture.com/Herbology/Kidney.htm

 

It's quite interesting.

 

I will be seeing my accupunturist soon again, what should I ask her

about diagnosis.

 

So far from I've read I should get her diagnosis on my Tongue,

Pulse... and is there anything I should ask her.

 

I've been reading and re-reading your response, as Im new to this and

would like to understand this more. Im very grateful for your help.

 

Thank you!!!

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon> wrote:

> > A few years back a doctor prescribed finasteride for me, the hair

> > loss drug, althought I told him I was scared of the side effects

> and

> > didn't want it, he convinced me it was safe. Now after 5 years I

> > still suffer from the side effects. I am currently 27 years old.

> >

> > The side effects include

> > -loss of libido

> > -inability to ejaculate and orgasm

> > -lack of emotions

> > -some errection difficulties (maybe related to stress and low

> libido)

>

> There is a lot here that needs to be addressed so I'm going to

> address different issues in this and other posts.

>

> The first thing most TCM healers are going to think when they read

> those 4 symptoms is Kidney Yang Deficiency? followed by Kidney Jing

> Deficiency?.

>

> Some of the symptoms and signs of Kidney Yang Deficiency

> include " soreness of the back, cold knees, sensation of cold in the

> back, aversion to cold, weak legs, bright-white complexion, weak

> knees, impotence, premature ejaculation, lassitude, abundant-clear

> urinaltion, scanty-clear urination, apathy, oedema of the legs,

> infertility in women, poor appetite, loose stools. Tongue: Pale,

> Swollen, Wet. Pulse: Deep-Weak. key symptoms; cold in the back,

> abundant-clear urination, Pale tongue, Deep Pulse. " (Giovanni

> maciocia, The Foundations of , p. 253.) Note that

> Maciocia mentions " apathy " . This can be another way of saying no

> emotions. (A Deep pulse is one which can be felt the strongest when

> a lot of pressure is placed on the wrist. A " Floating " Pulse (see

> next paragraph) is one that is felt the strongest with the least

> pressure on the wrist. A Weak pulse is one that is hard to feel.)

>

> The symtoms and signs of Kidney Jing (Essence) Deficiency in adults

> include " softening of bones, weakness of knees and legs, poor

> memory, loose teeth, falling hair or premature greying of hair,

> weakness of sexual activity, soreness of the back. Tongue; Red and

> Peeled. Pulse: Floating-Empty or Leather. Key symptoms: weak knees,

> falling hair, weak sexual activity. (p. 256.) (An Empty pulse is

one

> that feels " big " (spread out under the finger), but with slight

> pressure one no longer feels pressure from the pulse. Think of a

> tube made out of a tissue, and how the least pressure can cause it

> to " collapse " . A " Leather pulse is one that feels hard and like

it's

> tight ( " stretched like the head of a drum " ) when just a little

> pressure is placed on the wrist, but when you press harder, it

feels

> empty at the deep level. It's also a large pulse (as opposed to a

> thin pulse that feels very narrow beneath your finger).

>

> I also want to give the signs and symptoms of Kidney Yin Deficiency

> for reasons which I will explain later. " Dizziness, tinnitus,

> vertigo, poor memory, deafness, night sweating, dry mouth at night,

> 5-palm heat, thirst, sore back, ache in bones, nocturnal emissions,

> constipation, dark-scanty urine. Tongue: Red, no coating, cracks.

> Pulse: Floating-Empty and Rapid. Key symptoms: dry mouth at night,

> night sweating, Red-Peeled tongue. (p. 252).

>

> The reason I also gave the signs and symptoms for Kidney Yin

> Deficiency is that if a person is Kidney Yang Deficient, he or she

> almost always will be Kidney Yin Deficient too but to a much lesser

> degree. Likewise, if a person is Kidney Yin Deficient, he or she

> almost always also will be Kidney Yang Deficient to a lesser

extent.

> Over the course of an illness or the course of treatment, the other

> may come to predominate. A person who is predominately Kidney Yang

> Deficient will become predominately Kidney Yin Deficient, and vice

> versa.

>

> The Kidneys supply Yang and Yin to the rest of the body. This is

why

> the effects of Kidney Yang or Kidney Yin Deficiency can be so far-

> reaching. Kidney Yang and Kidney Yin Deficiency can take some time

> to treat. It doesn't take as long as treating some of the Phlegm

> disorders, but it can take longer than treating some other

> imbalances.

>

> You may want to get an exact TCM diagnosis from your acupuncturist.

> That way people on the list can make recommendations about some

> things you can do for yourself (like diet) in addition to

> acupunction that may speed the healing time.

>

> You mentioned 4 side effects. I can guarantee that in addition to

> what you told your acupunturist that she was (and is) observing

> things about you that you didn't even know could be symptoms. Like

> how strong or weak your voice is, the way you carry yourself, how

> rapid or how slow you move and speak, any unusual skin tones, etc.

[Guest guest]

this product you mention is Homeopathic human placenta - this is

believed by many to be a general adaptogen because of its ability to

stimulate hormonal function throughout the endocrine system - I know

nothing about such products study wise - placenta from various

animals has been used in traditional systems since long past. Perhaps

some TCM practioners here could comment on placenta as medicine -

seems to me that gross placenta products and homeopathic products are

of a differant nature and the uses would not be the same. Homeopathic

substances stimulate immune reaction - gross medicines provide direct

supplementation and or balancing. Many famous TCM formulas use

placenta in their composition. Many European alternative physicians

use placenta products - esspecially the Germans.

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " swrtw " <swrtw2001> wrote:

> Hi Victoria,

>

> Thank you, I really appreciate your help, as I honestly have no

idea

> what to do at the moment.

>

> She the TCM practioner, also asked if I wanted to take shot of

> chrysocor, do you or anyone else know anything about this.

>

> I found a link on it, but it doesn't tell me what its composed of

>

> http://www.pleosanum.com/medica/m-chrysocor.html

>

> Thanks!!!

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

> <victoria_dragon> wrote:

> > Welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine.

> >

> > I'm playing catch-up with list mail today. Your question and

> > concerns deserve a well-thought-out response. Unfortunately a

big

> > storm has hit this area, and the lights already have flickered a

> > couple of times.

> >

> > Hopefully I can get back to answering mail tonight if the storm

> > passes (and we still have power).

> >

> > Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I wasn't just ignoring you.

> >

> > Victoria

[Guest guest]

If one combines Victoria's post on this query with the Michael Tiera

article you will have a pretty clear picture of the relationship of

kidney yin and yang to adrenal exhaustion. Since the adrenals also

are secondary sex hormone producers then we will also see the

relationship of the TCM concept of kidney function to gonad function.

Testosterone as an example is produced in both the testicles and the

adrenals - all of these functions are incorporated in the TCM concept

that is known as kidney function. In the west we are not accustomed

to thinking of sex functions as being a part of 'kidney function' -

but humans have known of this very intimate connection for centuries -

most importantly - treating general kidney yin and yang functions

will resolve or strengthen sex hormone problems.

 

 

> > The side effects include

> > -loss of libido

> > -inability to ejaculate and orgasm

> > -lack of emotions

> > -some errection difficulties (maybe related to stress and low

> libido)

>

> There is a lot here that needs to be addressed so I'm going to

> address different issues in this and other posts.

>

> The first thing most TCM healers are going to think when they read

> those 4 symptoms is Kidney Yang Deficiency? followed by Kidney Jing

> Deficiency?.

>

> Some of the symptoms and signs of Kidney Yang Deficiency

> include " soreness of the back, cold knees, sensation of cold in the

> back, aversion to cold, weak legs, bright-white complexion, weak

> knees, impotence, premature ejaculation, lassitude, abundant-clear

> urinaltion, scanty-clear urination, apathy, oedema of the legs,

> infertility in women, poor appetite, loose stools. Tongue: Pale,

> Swollen, Wet. Pulse: Deep-Weak. key symptoms; cold in the back,

> abundant-clear urination, Pale tongue, Deep Pulse. " (Giovanni

> maciocia, The Foundations of , p. 253.) Note that

> Maciocia mentions " apathy " . This can be another way of saying no

> emotions. (A Deep pulse is one which can be felt the strongest when

> a lot of pressure is placed on the wrist. A " Floating " Pulse (see

> next paragraph) is one that is felt the strongest with the least

> pressure on the wrist. A Weak pulse is one that is hard to feel.)

>

> The symtoms and signs of Kidney Jing (Essence) Deficiency in adults

> include " softening of bones, weakness of knees and legs, poor

> memory, loose teeth, falling hair or premature greying of hair,

> weakness of sexual activity, soreness of the back. Tongue; Red and

> Peeled. Pulse: Floating-Empty or Leather. Key symptoms: weak knees,

> falling hair, weak sexual activity. (p. 256.) (An Empty pulse is

one

> that feels " big " (spread out under the finger), but with slight

> pressure one no longer feels pressure from the pulse. Think of a

> tube made out of a tissue, and how the least pressure can cause it

> to " collapse " . A " Leather pulse is one that feels hard and like

it's

> tight ( " stretched like the head of a drum " ) when just a little

> pressure is placed on the wrist, but when you press harder, it

feels

> empty at the deep level. It's also a large pulse (as opposed to a

> thin pulse that feels very narrow beneath your finger).

>

> I also want to give the signs and symptoms of Kidney Yin Deficiency

> for reasons which I will explain later. " Dizziness, tinnitus,

> vertigo, poor memory, deafness, night sweating, dry mouth at night,

> 5-palm heat, thirst, sore back, ache in bones, nocturnal emissions,

> constipation, dark-scanty urine. Tongue: Red, no coating, cracks.

> Pulse: Floating-Empty and Rapid. Key symptoms: dry mouth at night,

> night sweating, Red-Peeled tongue. (p. 252).

>

> The reason I also gave the signs and symptoms for Kidney Yin

> Deficiency is that if a person is Kidney Yang Deficient, he or she

> almost always will be Kidney Yin Deficient too but to a much lesser

> degree. Likewise, if a person is Kidney Yin Deficient, he or she

> almost always also will be Kidney Yang Deficient to a lesser

extent.

> Over the course of an illness or the course of treatment, the other

> may come to predominate. A person who is predominately Kidney Yang

> Deficient will become predominately Kidney Yin Deficient, and vice

> versa.

>

> The Kidneys supply Yang and Yin to the rest of the body. This is

why

> the effects of Kidney Yang or Kidney Yin Deficiency can be so far-

> reaching. Kidney Yang and Kidney Yin Deficiency can take some time

> to treat. It doesn't take as long as treating some of the Phlegm

> disorders, but it can take longer than treating some other

> imbalances.

>

> You may want to get an exact TCM diagnosis from your acupuncturist.

> That way people on the list can make recommendations about some

> things you can do for yourself (like diet) in addition to

> acupunction that may speed the healing time.

>

> You mentioned 4 side effects. I can guarantee that in addition to

> what you told your acupunturist that she was (and is) observing

> things about you that you didn't even know could be symptoms. Like

> how strong or weak your voice is, the way you carry yourself, how

> rapid or how slow you move and speak, any unusual skin tones, etc.