Interpreting blood work lab results

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The Rhumatologist office said they were too busy to discuss results until I come

in in six weeks. That will be one appointment I am cancelling to find another

doctor. They weren't even going to give me the results until I made a few

phone calls and FAXes. And whoever came up with State statutes which say that

that I cannot have the results of my own blood for which I am paying until they

get permission from a doctor. I have never in my life heard of such a thing.

Is it like that in every state in the US?

 

I don't know what these abbreviations mean:

 

MCV

MCH

MCHC

RDW

MPV

EST

 

There is something called

 

CBS with differential

Platelet Count which is LOW

Monocyte, ABS. is LOW

 

Basic Metabolic Panel (8)

Urea Nitrogen, Blood (BUN) which is HIGH

 

Hepatic Function Panel (which I assume is liver)

AST (SGOT) is HIGH

ALT (SGPT) is HIGH

Total Protein is LOW

T3 is very LOW

 

Under electrophoresis, Protein, Serum

Beta Blobulin is LOW

Gama Globulin is LOW

Total Protein is LOW

 

Urinalysis with microscopic exam - cloudy

 

Herpes Siples AB, IGM detected

 

(About 15 years ago I was diagnosed with many of the deadly HPV virus, so I

don't know if this pertains.)

 

Monocyte, ABS. which is LOW

 

So anything you can tell me about abbreviations and these low or high numbers

would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks so much !!!

 

cheers, Cat

 

 

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Dear Cat,

I mean this sincerely, you need to have a good doctor explain these to you,

these are not simple.Many of these numbers are abnormal and may be interrelated

and trying to even give you an idea of what they could mean could be dangerous

to you. I have worked both sides of the fence, believe me. Eastern med and

western med can go hand in hand but you must use good jugement and get the best

info possible. Making you wait 6 weeks for those results would have made me

angry as well. Find a Doctor who will listen to you. They are out there.

 

Blessings, I have been following your case and hope you do well.

 

Sam

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sammorris1125 wrote:

>Dear Cat,

>I mean this sincerely, you need to have a good doctor explain these to you,

these are not simple.Many of these numbers are abnormal and may be interrelated

and trying to even give you an idea of what they could mean could be dangerous

to you. I have worked both sides of the fence, believe me. Eastern med and

western med can go hand in hand but you must use good jugement and get the best

info possible. Making you wait 6 weeks for those results would have made me

angry as well. Find a Doctor who will listen to you. They are out there.

>

>Blessings, I have been following your case and hope you do well.

>

>Sam

 

 

Thanks I have an appointment set up for a new doctor who specialized in FM and

CFS May 25th. They have boht MD and Naturopath there and use all sorts of

alternative medicine to help people. Dr. Katz's phrase was something like " If

my patient isn't feeling well, then my treatment plan is not complete and needs

to be done again. "

 

I was also angry, as I wrote on my intake " Not interested in pharmacuticals

meds " and 3 times he has suggested both in person at the first session and via

FAX in answer to my getting my blood test results that I should get sleeping

pills. Ya sure ! Then I will be too groggy to determine whether he is

providing me adequate care of not.

 

Thanks for you note.

 

Worse news yet . . . the new acupuncturist not only insists on putting the

needles in to the point of me not being able to move on the table and worrying

about putting them in too deep, he left a huge bruise on my neck and my back is

messed up in places from the acupressure which it never hurt before. Just to

aggressvie, and I told him the first day that I left the last Chinese person

because she was way too rough. What is it with these people any way that when

someone explains that

" My body is very receptive to acupuncture, you don't need to cause pain to get

great results with me. " They do NOT listen. Infurating.

 

So here I am yet again in search of another acupuncturist.

 

Thanks for your note - Cheers, Cat

 

 

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One site I often refer people to (I am NOT affiliated, its just one of any

number of options) is located at

http://www.thebody.com/pinf/diagnostic/diagnostic.html

 

Another one is http://www.yana.org/aboutbld.htm

 

I believe offhand that these should cover most of the abbreviations you are

looking for, as well as have a brief explanation of them.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

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Beijing Acupuncture Clinic

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(204) 292-1664

 

 

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Interpreting blood work lab results

 

The Rhumatologist office said they were too busy to discuss results until I

come in in six weeks. That will be one appointment I am cancelling to find

another doctor. They weren't even going to give me the results until I

made a few phone calls and FAXes. And whoever came up with State statutes

which say that that I cannot have the results of my own blood for which I am

paying until they get permission from a doctor. I have never in my life

heard of such a thing. Is it like that in every state in the US?

 

I don't know what these abbreviations mean:

 

MCV

MCH

MCHC

RDW

MPV

EST

 

There is something called

 

CBS with differential

Platelet Count which is LOW

Monocyte, ABS. is LOW

 

Basic Metabolic Panel (8)

Urea Nitrogen, Blood (BUN) which is HIGH

 

Hepatic Function Panel (which I assume is liver) AST (SGOT) is HIGH ALT

(SGPT) is HIGH Total Protein is LOW

T3 is very LOW

 

Under electrophoresis, Protein, Serum

Beta Blobulin is LOW

Gama Globulin is LOW

Total Protein is LOW

 

Urinalysis with microscopic exam - cloudy

 

Herpes Siples AB, IGM detected

 

(About 15 years ago I was diagnosed with many of the deadly HPV virus, so I

don't know if this pertains.)

 

Monocyte, ABS. which is LOW

 

So anything you can tell me about abbreviations and these low or high

numbers would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks so much !!!

 

cheers, Cat

 

 

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Hymie Ali wrote:

>One site I often refer people to (I am NOT affiliated, its just one of any

>number of options) is located at

>http://www.thebody.com/pinf/diagnostic/diagnostic.html

>

>Another one is http://www.yana.org/aboutbld.htm

>

>I believe offhand that these should cover most of the abbreviations you are

>looking for, as well as have a brief explanation of them.

>

> Cheers, Hymie Ali

 

Thanks so much !! great sites !!!

 

 

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> Worse news yet . . . the new acupuncturist not only insists on

putting the needles in to the point of me not being able to move on

the table and worrying about putting them in too deep, he left a huge

bruise on my neck and my back is messed up in places from the

acupressure which it never hurt before.

 

A lot of healers - Western allopathic and alternative - are unaware

that people with CFIDS/ CFS and or FMS (fibromyalgia syndrome) can be

unusually sensitive to anything involving touch. I had a friend with

CFIDS who would ache for some time after getting a massage. In her

csse, drinking a lot of water relieved the problems. When I first

started using an electric back massager, I was so sensitive that I

could not stand to use it for more than a few seconds, could only use

it on the lowest setting, and could not use both the upper and lower

back parts at the same time. Drinking a lot of water also helped some

of my problems. Some (not all) people with CFIDS and/or FMS have

dehydration problems.

 

But in your case, the acupressure never hurt before. And, putting

needles in too deep is a different problem.

 

BTW, in TCM when pressure makes something worse, this usually is a

sign that there is an Excess problem. When pressure makes something

feel better, this usually points to there being a Deficiency problem.

People with CFIDS and/or FMS often have a combination of Excess and

Deficiency problems. Quite a range in fact.

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victoria_dragon wrote:

>A lot of healers - Western allopathic and alternative - are unaware

>that people with CFIDS/ CFS and or FMS (fibromyalgia syndrome) can be

>unusually sensitive to anything involving touch.

 

Hi Victoria !

 

I had asked him whether he had FM patients before and he said that he

has treated a lot of them . . . and I also clearly stated on my intake sheet

and EVERY time I was in that I didn't want or need the needles that deep.

 

I use a shiatsu machine at home, I have a huge commercial massager, and my

husband has been taught by a Chinese man we used to go to the points and he

often does acupressure on me. I have to ask him to press harder . . .

this man was by far the deepest and hardest I have ever been to and I had

a lot of physical therapy on trigger points after I had back surgery.

 

It made me better, not worse. This man just wouldn't listen.

 

He would adjust the needles back each time so he should have know after 1-3

treatments

how much was enough. I have been to some acupncturists who would through in 70

or 80

needles and I would never feel a thing, and leave feeling like a new person.

 

I believe this was an inability to listen or comprehend that someone else needed

something

different.

 

>I had a friend with CFIDS who would ache for some time after getting a

massage.

 

I don't, as mine is not that advanced. I have other problems, like extreme

problems with damp cold (not dry cold), and with light, smells, dust, mold,

noise, etc.

 

I am getting more sensitive but certainly not to the degree that manypeople

I know have to cut the tags out of their clothing.

 

> In her

>csse, drinking a lot of water relieved the problems.

 

I drink a minimum of 2 liters of water a day. :-)

 

I have some Chinese people tell me to not drink very much water

and they are really serious about it.

 

I even had one naturopath tell me that 2 liters of water a day is too much.

 

Well if I don't drink enough water I get sick and feel dehydrated and like

garbage so I drink pure spring water packaged in glass.

 

Does anyone know what Chinese medicine has to say about

naturally carbonated water ?

 

>When I first

>started using an electric back massager, I was so sensitive that I

>could not stand to use it for more than a few seconds, could only use

>it on the lowest setting, and could not use both the upper and lower

>back parts at the same time.

 

I am fortunate that I can use a massager with good results.

 

>Drinking a lot of water also helped some

>of my problems. Some (not all) people with CFIDS and/or FMS have

>dehydration problems.

 

Well, I need to keep drinking water or my lips do'nt stay puffed out

and I get bronchitis.

 

>But in your case, the acupressure never hurt before. And, putting

>needles in too deep is a different problem.

 

I have had tremendously good acuncture and I have had various forms

of bad acupunture, so this was just too much.

 

>BTW, in TCM when pressure makes something worse, this usually is a

>sign that there is an Excess problem.

 

I have Ying Deficiency and Yang Excess . . . so far as I am able to determine.

 

He will NOT talk about dampness issues at all which was most annoying

and rain makes me nuts -- it causes a lot of pain, and it makes my mold

allergies act up something fierce.

 

>When pressure makes something

>feel better, this usually points to there being a Deficiency problem.

 

He told me that it was stagnation and that it would free up blockages of

some sort, but that was his words.

 

>People with CFIDS and/or FMS often have a combination of Excess and

>Deficiency problems. Quite a range in fact.

 

 

I know I have problems with Kidnesy, Liver, Spleen, Pancreas, Adrenals,

Lungs, maybe stomach and intestines . . . I hope I find someone good soon.

 

I really cannot afford to be without treatment, especially in this climate.

 

Thanks for your post !

 

 

Cat

 

 

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--- victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon

 

Hi, Victoria...

 

> A lot of healers - Western allopathic and

> alternative - are unaware

> that people with CFIDS/ CFS and or FMS (fibromyalgia

> syndrome) can be

> unusually sensitive to anything involving touch. I

> had a friend with

> CFIDS who would ache for some time after getting a

> massage.

 

My reasoning for this is that CFIDS commonly involves

a heavy k yin/yang xu and sp yang xu with concomitant

(or originating?) liv qi binding, and leads to several

conditions: qi deficiency, blood deficiency, blood and

fluid stasis and therefore deficiency type

inflammation, along with secondary patterns such as

cold invasions -> bi syndrome (obstruction).

The qi deficiency can be felt as an intense frailty

of the tissues, an incapacity to bear focussed

pressure.

The blood deficiency pain I am not clear on, except

as being related to the qi deficiency pain, as well as

being related to the Spleen nourishing the muscles and

not controlling the blood. If the Spleen does not

nourish the tissues properly or control the blood,

then we can imagine how injury (bruising) can occur

via aggressive needling or massage.

The blood and fluid stasis can be perceived as

aggravated by pressure, since they are pools of

excess.

 

> In her

> csse, drinking a lot of water relieved the problems.

 

I know that drinking water relieved the problems, I

am just curious to know if it seemed to aggravate

anything else?

 

Thank you,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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> I drink a minimum of 2 liters of water a day. :-)

>

> I have some Chinese people tell me to not drink very much water

> and they are really serious about it.

>

> I even had one naturopath tell me that 2 liters of water a day is

too much.

>

> Well if I don't drink enough water I get sick and feel dehydrated

and like

> garbage so I drink pure spring water packaged in glass.

 

It depends on the individual.

 

I have seen very little on the problem of Dryness in TCM books

written in English. I don't know if this is the situation in China

in the Chinese TCM literature.

 

I have seen practically nothing on mixed Dryness and Dampness

problems though they do occur. I know because I have them. At present

I still have more problems with the Dryness than with the Dampness

even though I haven't lived in the desert for 2 years. That could

change.

 

BTW, when you start to study Phlegm problems, you learn that there

are different types of Phlegm. Dampness can team up with any

Pernicious Evil to produce Phlegm. For example, Cold Phlegm, Hot

Phlegm, Damp Phlegm, etc., and Dry Phlegm. The treatment is going to

vary according to which type of Phlegm it is. Sometimes it's best to

attack the Phlegm directly. In other cases, one doesn't want to do

this, but concentrate on correcting the problems which led to the

Phlegm formation. This is particularly important in the case of Cold

Phlegm. If you try to attack it directly, you often end up creating

problems. It's best handled by correcting the Cold problems. In all

Phlegm cases, consider correcting the imbalance that teamed up with

Dampness to produce the Phlegm.

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> My reasoning for this is that CFIDS commonly involves

> a heavy k yin/yang xu and sp yang xu with concomitant

> (or originating?) liv qi binding, and leads to several

> conditions: qi deficiency, blood deficiency, blood and

> fluid stasis and therefore deficiency type

> inflammation, along with secondary patterns such as

> cold invasions -> bi syndrome (obstruction).

> The qi deficiency can be felt as an intense frailty

> of the tissues, an incapacity to bear focussed

> pressure.

 

This is me.

 

> The blood deficiency pain I am not clear on, except

> as being related to the qi deficiency pain, as well as

> being related to the Spleen nourishing the muscles and

> not controlling the blood. If the Spleen does not

> nourish the tissues properly or control the blood,

> then we can imagine how injury (bruising) can occur

> via aggressive needling or massage.

> The blood and fluid stasis can be perceived as

> aggravated by pressure, since they are pools of

> excess.

 

I can describe what the dehydration feels like. Imagine trying to

pull on a lever that is rusty. It takes a lot of force to move it.

That's what my joints feel like when I'm dehydrated. Like it takes

more force than usual to move them. When I force myself to drink

water, it's like the joints have been " oiled " and they move easily. I

also tend to be nauseous when dehydrated. If the dehydration is

really bad, I get a sensation in my head like a wire stretched very

tight.

 

Cold has the most noticeable effect on my muscles (as opposed to the

dehyration " rusting " the joints). My muscles stiffen up, and there is

a low level pain. As long as I don't move too much I can ignore the

pain. When I move it gets worse and forces its way into my awareness.

 

> > In her

> > csse, drinking a lot of water relieved the problems.

>

> I know that drinking water relieved the problems, I

> am just curious to know if it seemed to aggravate

> anything else?

 

I can't speak for her, and she died several years ago, but I don't

remember her reporting anything else being aggravated.

 

In my case, I rarely have problems with anything else being

aggravated. Once in a great while when I go too far over into

Dampness, I'll feel anxious and nervous until I get rid of the excess

fluid. But this very, very rarely happens. Of course in my case

because the Kidney Yang Deficiency tends to predominate, I still

sometimes have problems forcing myself to drink as much as I need to

drink. An aversion to drinking goes along with Dampness problems, but

in cases of Kidney Yang Deficiency that also can come into play.

Sipping even room temperature water cools me down further.

 

I'm having some problems this spring. For over 15 years I lived in a

desert area in southern Arizona. The warm season there is two months

longer than where I am now. I am used to it being quite warm by the

end of March, and the growing season lasts till around the last of

October or the middle of November. It seems like it's taking forever

to warm up here. We've had some warm days, and if we get two or

three in a row, I feel very good. But it keeps turning colder after

the warm spells. And each time it does, I really feel it. The other

night it got down to 39 F after being somewhat chilly (for me) for 3

or 5 days, and I had a lot of problems with stiffness, pain, and lack

of energy. It's warming back up, and the more it warms up, the better

I feel. 90s F are forecast for Sunday, and I am really looking

forward to that. I think I really need to start back on the Yang

tonic herbs.

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victoria_dragon wrote:

> I also tend to be nauseous when dehydrated.

 

Thank you so much for meaning that !

 

I left in a hurry for our run and had only a few swallows of water thinking we

weren't going ot be gone long . . .

I ended up running for an hour and walking two more, worried about the time and

being lost.

 

I got nauseous when I got home even though I drank half a liter of water right

away and then more later.

It took several hours for the nausea to leave. I thought it was the fiddle

fern I ate on the way as I had had no breakfast, thinking I was allergic to it,

but dehydration sounds much more like it as there was quite a wind on our run

and I did not drink the usual liter of water when I get up before I left. Cat

 

 

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> I left in a hurry for our run and had only a few swallows of water

thinking we weren't going ot be gone long . . .

> I ended up running for an hour and walking two more, worried about

the time and being lost.

>

> I got nauseous when I got home even though I drank half a liter of

water right away and then more later.

> It took several hours for the nausea to leave.

 

When I have nausea from dehydration, it starts to lift as soon as I

drink enough water. I do feel somewhat weak and shaky for some time,

but the nausea clears up right away as soon as I'm hydrated. This

may not have been just dehydration if the nausea hung on for several

hours. Or, the half a liter was not enough.

 

Did you eat something when you took the water? Electrolytes in your

blood may have become too diluted if you didn't.

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victoria_dragon wrote:

> > I left in a hurry for our run and had only a few swallows of water

>thinking we weren't going ot be gone long . . .

> > I ended up running for an hour and walking two more, worried about

>the time and being lost.

> >

> > I got nauseous when I got home even though I drank half a liter of

>water right away and then more later.

> > It took several hours for the nausea to leave.

>

>When I have nausea from dehydration, it starts to lift as soon as I

>drink enough water. I do feel somewhat weak and shaky for some time,

>but the nausea clears up right away as soon as I'm hydrated.

 

Oh :-)

 

>This may not have been just dehydration if the nausea hung on for several

>hours. Or, the half a liter was not enough.

>

>Did you eat something when you took the water?

 

I drank about a half liter of water and then some food . . .

 

it was 1 p.m. and I had not eaten so . . . I had part of a banana first

and then some lamb and broccoli . . .

 

but I felt nauseous for hours . . . might be I am allergic to lamb

 

earlier in the week I had had a lamb patty (totally different batch of lamb)

 

I get my meat from a kosher butcher so I know it is clean ...

and I always freeze it immediately upon cooking it if I don't plan to

eat it that day because I am sensitive to mold.

 

>Electrolytes in your

>blood may have become too diluted if you didn't.

 

Maybe it is menopause . . . I had nausea really bad last Fall before I got

acupuncture. I felt much better after the acupuncture for the nausea ...

does hormones make sense for nausea ?

 

 

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