The pain of Cold constipation

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How does the hot/cold, and excess/deficiency syndrome in constipation relate

to hemorrhoids?

rabiah

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

" Constipation with abdominal pain points to stagnation of Liver-Qi or

Cold. Pain from stagnation of Liver-Qi is not too severe and is

accompanied by pronounced distention. Pain from Cold is severe and

spastic. " (Giovanni Maciocia, The Practice of ,

p.478.)

 

I want to post some more on this.

 

To say that the pain accompaning Cold constipation is " severe and

spastic " can be an understatement. I sometimes felt like I was going

to pass out from the pain.

 

During these times, salivation also became profuse (duo tuo).

Interestingly, excessive salivation also is due to Deficiency Cold

(not enough Yang to warm the body properly) of either the Spleen and

Stomach or the Kidneys. (Drooling (xian xia) is different from

excessive salivation and can have some Heat Roots as well as Wind

Roots and a Spleen Qi Deficiency Root. For those new to TCM, don't

worry about this information in parentheses. It's for the students.)

 

Not everyone who experiences the severe pain and cramping due to Cold

is also going to experience the excessive salivation. I did, but by

that time the Kidney Yang Deficiency had gone untreated for so long

that quite a few of the possible Kidney Yang Deficiency signs and

symptoms had shown up in me.

 

" Difficult defaecation with great effort indicates deficiency of Qi

or Yang. This is also confirmed by a feeling of exhaustion after the

bowel movement. " (Practice, p. 478.)

 

Any time a person feels tired after a bowel movement, suspect and

rule in or rule out Qi Deficiency or Yang Deficiency. If the person

feels better after a bowel movement, this usually indicates an Excess

problem. Deficiency problems are caused by there not being enough of

something the body needs. Not enough Qi, Yang, Yin, or Blood.

(Excess problems are caused by there being too much of something in

the body. Too many foods or herbs with warming energy (Excess Heat)

or cooling energy (Excess Cold), Cold or Heat invading from the

outside of the body to the inside, Dampness accumulation, Food

Stagnation, Qi Stagnation, Blood Stasis, and Phlegm.)

 

Sometimes the person will have both Deficiency and Excess problems.

What typically happens in these cases is that after a bowel movement

the person will feel better (no longer in pain or in as much pain,

more relaxed) but also will feel tired and maybe even sleepy in

extreme cases.

[Guest guest]

What can I do about this? My husband has constipation; it is causing him pain.

he had the tiredness from bowel movements and cold that the post below speaks

of. He is spleen deficient. Poor digestion. He has cancer. Is there a point I

can rub to help the constipation? He is seeing a doctor, but I

could use some extra help.

I know I haven' t given much info, but it's been a long night, and our doc

doesn't tell us much. He just treats. I've been doing moxa on my hubby at home

on a stomach point on the side of the leg below the knee and on a spleen point

by the toenail on the big toe. Our doc had us add a bellybutton moxa (salt and

garlic slice with moxa on top); Dwight finds this very relaxing. The other two

points were for edema and possible internal bleeding (which he had once); he has

pretty low blood pressure at times with the lower number in the forties or

fifties, though that fluctuates as does his temperature.

I'm going to try to get some sleep now.

Thanks,

Michelle

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victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:48 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] The pain of Cold constipation

 

 

" Constipation with abdominal pain points to stagnation of Liver-Qi or

Cold. Pain from stagnation of Liver-Qi is not too severe and is

accompanied by pronounced distention. Pain from Cold is severe and

spastic. " (Giovanni Maciocia, The Practice of ,

p.478.)

 

I want to post some more on this.

 

To say that the pain accompaning Cold constipation is " severe and

spastic " can be an understatement. I sometimes felt like I was going

to pass out from the pain.

 

During these times, salivation also became profuse (duo tuo).

Interestingly, excessive salivation also is due to Deficiency Cold

(not enough Yang to warm the body properly) of either the Spleen and

Stomach or the Kidneys. (Drooling (xian xia) is different from

excessive salivation and can have some Heat Roots as well as Wind

Roots and a Spleen Qi Deficiency Root. For those new to TCM, don't

worry about this information in parentheses. It's for the students.)

 

Not everyone who experiences the severe pain and cramping due to Cold

is also going to experience the excessive salivation. I did, but by

that time the Kidney Yang Deficiency had gone untreated for so long

that quite a few of the possible Kidney Yang Deficiency signs and

symptoms had shown up in me.

 

" Difficult defaecation with great effort indicates deficiency of Qi

or Yang. This is also confirmed by a feeling of exhaustion after the

bowel movement. " (Practice, p. 478.)

 

Any time a person feels tired after a bowel movement, suspect and

rule in or rule out Qi Deficiency or Yang Deficiency. If the person

feels better after a bowel movement, this usually indicates an Excess

problem. Deficiency problems are caused by there not being enough of

something the body needs. Not enough Qi, Yang, Yin, or Blood.

(Excess problems are caused by there being too much of something in

the body. Too many foods or herbs with warming energy (Excess Heat)

or cooling energy (Excess Cold), Cold or Heat invading from the

outside of the body to the inside, Dampness accumulation, Food

Stagnation, Qi Stagnation, Blood Stasis, and Phlegm.)

 

Sometimes the person will have both Deficiency and Excess problems.

What typically happens in these cases is that after a bowel movement

the person will feel better (no longer in pain or in as much pain,

more relaxed) but also will feel tired and maybe even sleepy in

extreme cases.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Large Intestine 4 (aka Hoku, aka Joining the Valley) is a

recommended point for constipation. It's located in the webbing of

the hand between the thumb and index finger.

 

In the book Acupressure's Potent Points, Michael Reed Gach

recommends firm pressure on the point. That didn't work very well

for me. I've found that gently stroking the webbing of the hand in

the direction from the base where the thumb joins the hand outward

works much better for me than firm pressure on the point does. I

support my hand underneath with the fingers of the other other hand

while using the thumb of the other hand to gently stroke the webbed

area from where the thumb meets the hand outward.

 

For any women reading this and wishing to try this point for

constipation, it's contraindicated in pregnant women because it can

bring on premature labor.

 

Large intestine 11 (aka Crooked Pond) is another point for relieving

constipation. It's located at " the outer end of the elbow crease " .

(Michael Reed Gach, Acupressure's Potent Points, p. 68.)

 

The point you describe as below the knees to the side probably is

Stomach 36 (ada Three Mile Point). This is another point recommend

for constipation. In addition it helps strengthen the Stomach and

Spleen. It also increases energy.

 

Conception Vessel 6 (aka Sea of Energy) is located " three finger

widths directly below the belly button. " It " relieves pain in the

abdominal muscles, constipation, colitis, and gas. " (Gach, p. 68.)

[Guest guest]

I had treatment for constipation from a TCM. Did your TCM place needles on

either

side of the upper colon area? I don't believe it is a main meridian

treatment. Seemed

like a target treatment. I only needed six treatments and I got strong

muscle contractions

from this for very good bowel movements.

 

The second doctor I used treated me in the same way. And I did not get the

effects

I got from my first doctor. I believe success from this therapy depends on

the size

of the needles and how deep they place them. I hope this can work for your

case.

 

Liz D.

 

 

> [Original Message]

> Michelle Clark <michellec

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> 7/29/2005 7:50:01 AM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] The pain of Cold constipation

>

> What can I do about this? My husband has constipation; it is causing him

pain. he had the tiredness from bowel movements and cold that the post

below speaks of. He is spleen deficient. Poor digestion. He has cancer.

Is there a point I can rub to help the constipation? He is seeing a

doctor, but I could use some extra help.

> I know I haven' t given much info, but it's been a long night, and our

doc doesn't tell us much. He just treats. I've been doing moxa on my

hubby at home on a stomach point on the side of the leg below the knee and

on a spleen point by the toenail on the big toe. Our doc had us add a

bellybutton moxa (salt and garlic slice with moxa on top); Dwight finds

this very relaxing. The other two points were for edema and possible

internal bleeding (which he had once); he has pretty low blood pressure at

times with the lower number in the forties or fifties, though that

fluctuates as does his temperature.

> I'm going to try to get some sleep now.

> Thanks,

> Michelle

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> actually the constipation has cleared and he is back

> to diarrhea again. I think it is because he is off of

> pain meds (vicodin and oxycodone).

 

Hi Michelle,

I imagine our next TCM oriented question is;

are the feces smelly and thick (diarrhea possibly from Heat)

or watery, possibly showing bits of food, and with not much of a

fecal smell (diarrhea possibly from Cold)?