5th visit

[Guest guest]

I had my 5th visit today and my progress has been kind of slow.

But as I have been feeling better and doing more I am unable

to notice my unbalanced symptoms. They are easy to ignore.

 

I don't need 2 hour afternoon naps anymore. Ribcage pain is

a mild pressure only in one spot. once in awhile. No more pain

in my left leg. Last visit the acupuncturist pressed on the gallbladder

meridian in that leg and it didn't hurt! Spleen still hurts to the touch.

My energy is better and not just from the acupuncture but also

to chiropractic adjustments I began getting.

 

I had a needle popped in my left wrist and it tingled my hand too

much. I suspected my back was shifting, I was right. My old

chiropractor only adjusted my neck in one position and in

3 days I felt out of sorts again. I always felt a kink in the middle

of my back and he never worked on it. So I didn't want to go

back to him. I am glad I didn't because I found a fabulous guy

that treats your whole body. I have my chiropractic visit one

day and the acupuncture visit the next. I was told that my neck

was healing up very quickly and he was quite surprised that

I didn't need more work on it. I got an exercise to strengthen

my neck muscles. I think having the acupuncture stimulated my

body to heal in other areas.

 

Well today I had my spleen treated and he usually adds a few

more needles to support my digestion. In 15 minutes I felt the

whole right side of my body become fresh, cool and alive.

Pressure in the area of my ribcage lightened up and felt like it

was breathing and as well as my back. I was so amazed.

Soon a feeling of trickling water running all on the right side

of me began happening. I felt wonderful. I wanted to stay there

for 3 whole hours.

 

I explained this to him and he said that this area that I am feeling

this is my spleen working and I am detoxing so drink lots of

water. And to keep taking my herbs. ( " No problem! " ) I am

going to see him two days a week until I leave for vacation in

two weeks.

 

Leaving for vacation had been worrying me because I didn't

want to interrupt the help I am getting. He thinks I will be very

good for two weeks after these visits. And will see me a week

and a half apart. I wonder if I got some kind of attention out of

him with this experience that I had today. I say this because

he told me during the first visit that 8-10 visits are all he would

continue with and then maintenance. Maybe because he

thought he was only treating the spleen then. It is obvious

that I am getting this junk out of my system now. I do want as

many visits as it takes. I didn't get like this overnight.

 

This wonderful feeling to almost normal lasted until 6 p.m.

and then stopped. Getting ready for bed I am beginning

to feel like junk again. Slow and steady wins the race against

health, and finding practitioners that know what they are doing

helps also.

 

I feel so good with both treatments. I had been sewing for years

for employment and my back seems to be reflecting on those

years. I asked my acupuncturist if there is any relationship

between the back getting straight and the acupunture and he

mentioned that there is a meridian running through the middle

of the spine. WOW I know we have fluid that is important to

move but I am having my energies talking to each other now.

 

I would like to mention here too that when I first visited the chiropractor

I filled out his form. And on it was a few things in a colum you should

check off if you had them. IBS is one of the things. I looked at a

chart on the wall and it seems like the lower back is connected to

many symptoms of bowel troubles. If acupuncture doesn't work

out for some of your symptoms, please check out a good chiropractor.

I never knew they treated IBS.

 

Funny too that my acupuncturist and chiropractor knows each other.

I was told by each of them that I am seeing the best.

I live in Harrisburg, PA. If you live near by and want the name,

just write me.

 

Liz D.

 

 

 

rabbitbrain

 

 

[Guest guest]

Your welcome, I'm glad to share this. One important thing also.

I have been looking for years on how to get well. I have tried

everything I read. Including diets and colon cleanses and liver

flushes and eliminating bad foods and everything else I could

think of. I am not doing cleanses anymore I think they did their

job. But I felt just a little better but never quite enough.

 

My acupuncturists said that being that I am not polluting my

body with a bad diet and lifestyle that these people get the

best response from acupuncture than those who don't. I

belive that.

 

You have to get rid of your vices and try to get your body

as close to normal as it is supposed to be in the first place.

I wonder many times when they do comparison studies on

people with an ailment to see if it will work or not. And the

end results are not that impressive. Are these people living

properly with their diet and eliminating over drinking and

smoking? No, they are random studies.

 

I had a run in with my insurance that will pay for neuralgia

treatment but not the constipation treatment just because

the studies didn't show an impressive improvement. I just

wonder if these folks actually stopped eating foods that

irritated them and drank plenty of water etc.... Or did they

say I'll live the way I want, and I want acupuncture to solve

the constipation. This treatment is still a whole body

approach, like any other treatment.

 

I had mercury fillings in my teeth and had them removed

about 3 years ago, chelated with over the counter stuff and

felt a tad better. Not enough. So I think right now I am at

my peak performance because the rotton stuff is out of

my body and perhaps I can heal 100%. Guess they never

thought of the mercury fillings causing constipation and

illness to in those people they used in their acupuncture

study. Ok, I am just ranting because it makes me mad when

I think about it.

 

You see I still have some pain in my upper jaw and I suspect

it is still the mercury trapped. Last evening I felt as if all that

pain was going to draw out and move. It didn't make it but it might

the next few visits. Pain is there for some reason. Maybe the

pain in there because there is not enough energy getting there

from the meridian.

 

Liz D.

 

 

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victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

3/30/2004 9:28:38 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: 5th visit

 

 

This is wonderful news. Thanks for sharing it.

 

It gives others an idea of what can be accomplished.

 

Victoria

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh, MJD, it is very interesting because when I get adjustments

this chiropractor uses acupressue on meridian points. I now

know where some of my meridian points are. I think they have

tapped into the knowledge on acupuncture being an additional

help to their practice. Just be careful you don't get a watered

down form of treatments since he combines both. You just

don't know.

 

I would very much look into what he has to offer you. Consider

this not as a waste of time, as I sometimes do. Think of it as

a stepping stone and working toward what your body really

does need. It will be very obvious in the end.

 

Liz D.

 

 

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mjdavis108

Chinese Traditional Medicine

3/30/2004 10:09:16 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: 5th visit

 

 

Hi Liz:

 

I wanted to thank you for posting this message. I also have similar

symptoms with the IBS, FMS, etc. Yesterday, I went to the store

with Dh and there was a Chiropractor's Office in the strip. I

stopped in to get information and he is also an accupuncturist. I

haven't reviewed all his information yet, but your post is making me

so hopeful! Thank you for that.

 

All the best with your continued progress,

mjd

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is wonderful news. Thanks for sharing it.

 

It gives others an idea of what can be accomplished.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz:

 

I wanted to thank you for posting this message. I also have similar

symptoms with the IBS, FMS, etc. Yesterday, I went to the store

with Dh and there was a Chiropractor's Office in the strip. I

stopped in to get information and he is also an accupuncturist. I

haven't reviewed all his information yet, but your post is making me

so hopeful! Thank you for that.

 

All the best with your continued progress,

mjd

[Guest guest]

Victoria,

No I don't have an acupuncture chart. I have a book that shows

many meridians that seem to cross near the area I have a problem

with. This book doesn't have an index in the back so I can't look

anything up. I bought it some time ago just to get an idea on

acupuncture. : /

 

I am told my Qi is low and the herbs I am on helps to stimulate

this. Is that stagnation? What is blood Statis? I heard you mention

it before.

 

My MD told me I had neuralgia in my face, gave me a pain pill.

Didn't do much after awhile and I would have to take a stronger

medication. I got worried about that because I already had

constipation.

 

What is unusual about how this pain began is that I actually felt

it travel to my face. I thought it was yeast. I am sure it is not now.

The first acupuncturist I saw told me that the path I felt the pain

travel was on the Kidney meridian that lead up to the face. I had

my kidney meridian treated and my face treated on the sensitive

spots. Pain resided but I still feel its presence by pressure.

One thing I was very worried at that time is that the pain located

at the corner of my eye and surounding it was also spreading

to my teeth in my upper jaw. I was looked over very well and

they didn't find me to have TMJ. I don't suspect it to be TMJ

because of the way it developed. I was fussing at the dentists

twice to find cavaties in those teeth because that is how it felt

when I chewed. No caveties. But I did have mercury filling replaced.

Felt fine for almost a year before this problem began in my teeth.

Since I have been treated this second time the teeth pain stopped.

 

Also unusual is when I just about ran to the dentist to get my

fillings replaced I was getting a electric charge ( a type of pain hard

to describe) radiating from both sides of my upper jaw into my

eye sockets. This stopped about 6 months after removal of my

fillings. So I had wondered if the mercury toxins are trapped in

that area.

 

So sorry I sound like a mess. I am actually quite functional with

the exception of some very weird stuff. Doctors just look at me

and shrug their shoulders.

 

And at the same time recently I got the feel of how that crappy

chemical in my soap did me too. I used it on my head every

other day for my hair and wondered if it is a pile up of chemicals.

I felt this stuff travel out of my body because everywhere it went

I suffered inflammation.

 

I don't have problems with feeling clogged in any of my sinuses.

If acupuncture doesn't help it I might have to see some ear, nose

and throat doc. But I am sure they won't find anything, they will

tell me it is my neuralgia spreading. I really don't think so.

 

My tender spot is between the area of my pupil and the corner

of my eye. Not right under my pupil. It is right on the cheekbone

and is only the problem on my left eye. No other eye problems

except dry eyes. mild The acupuncturist I am seeing said that

the spleen meridian is located there too. So I will await for some

kind of change and let you all know when it happens. Very

unusual.

 

Because of all these hard to explain symptoms I find it very hard

to see a new doctor. Even having to retell my whole history to this

new acupuncturist stressed me out. I hate it to death when a doctor

goes dumb on me. I have to resolve all thes problems just for my

sanity in my old age. I want normal problems.

 

Liz D.

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victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

3/31/2004 11:52:44 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: 5th visit

 

 

> You see I still have some pain in my upper jaw and I suspect

> it is still the mercury trapped. Last evening I felt as if all that

> pain was going to draw out and move. It didn't make it but it might

> the next few visits. Pain is there for some reason. Maybe the

> pain in there because there is not enough energy getting there

> from the meridian.

 

Where at in your upper jaw? Do you have an acupoint chart to see if

it corresponds to the location of a meridian?

 

Qi Stagnation and Blood Stasis can cause pain.

 

BTW, the only time I got TCM was when the temperature dropped steeply

and there was wind. This isn't the only possible Root of TMJ, but it

is one of the possible underlying causes of TMJ.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " " <Rabbitbrain@e...> wrote:

> I would very much look into what he has to offer you. Consider

> this not as a waste of time, as I sometimes do. Think of it as

> a stepping stone and working toward what your body really

> does need. It will be very obvious in the end. Liz D.

 

 

 

Hi Liz,

 

Thanks for your encouragement. Actually, I have no trouble with

doing this and no fear. I was involved in a car accident about 15

years ago with a drunk driver hitting me at 70 mph. I was also hit

as a pedestrian. I've had some other blunt force traumas to my body

and EVERY time my course of treatment has been chiropractic care

and/or massage therapy and/or accupuncture. I am walking when

I " shouldn't be able to " and not having seizures and blackouts

when " I should " and attribute that ALL to my alternative health

practitioners.

 

Two things made me attempt Western Medicine: My Chiropractor had a

chance to come under my insurance and stopped caring about his

patients. I was getting massage therapy and accupressure by others

in his office as well so I lost three great people. The second

reason was the big " C " word and my Chiropractor got scared and

suggested I go to an MD. Fortunately, I've only spent four years in

their downward spiral.

 

As soon as I find someone that can help me without harming me, I am

never turning back that way again.

 

Thanks for caring and continued success to you,

mjd

[Guest guest]

> You see I still have some pain in my upper jaw and I suspect

> it is still the mercury trapped. Last evening I felt as if all that

> pain was going to draw out and move. It didn't make it but it might

> the next few visits. Pain is there for some reason. Maybe the

> pain in there because there is not enough energy getting there

> from the meridian.

 

Where at in your upper jaw? Do you have an acupoint chart to see if

it corresponds to the location of a meridian?

 

Qi Stagnation and Blood Stasis can cause pain.

 

BTW, the only time I got TCM was when the temperature dropped steeply

and there was wind. This isn't the only possible Root of TMJ, but it

is one of the possible underlying causes of TMJ.

[Guest guest]

Again you explaine things very well. didn't know the acupuncture

dosen't increase Qi.

 

Liz D.

 

 

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victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

4/2/2004 6:58:45 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: 5th visit

 

 

There are herbs called Qi tonic herbs which add Qi to the body.

Acupuncture won't directly increase Qi, but it will strenghten

Organs - like the Spleen - which play a major role in extracting Qi

from food.

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I am told my Qi is low and the herbs I am on helps to stimulate

> this. Is that stagnation? What is blood Statis? I heard you

mention

> it before.

 

Qi, pronounced " chee " is roughly though inadequately translated

as " energy " . Qi is in and flows around the body. The pathways of Qi

flow are called meridians (poor translation) or channels. Acupoints

are points where the flow of Qi can be affected.

 

" Qi is low " means you're Qi Deficient. Your body doesn't have

enough " energy " for various functions like digestion.

 

Qi Stagnation means that what Qi you do have isn't flowing smoothly.

Qi may be blocked and building up in some areas of the body (creating

things like pain, distention, Heat, etc.) and not adequately reaching

other parts of the body (resulting in things like Cold, Blood

Deficiency, poor functioning, etc.)

 

Blood Stasis means that the Blood isn't flowing smoothly like it

should. Blood Statsis can result in pain which is more sharp and

defined than that of Qi Stagnation pain. Blood Stasis pain is fixed

whereas the pain of Blood Stasis stays in the same place.

 

There are herbs called Qi tonic herbs which add Qi to the body.

Acupuncture won't directly increase Qi, but it will strenghten

Organs - like the Spleen - which play a major role in extracting Qi

from food.

 

There are herbs and acupoints which will get Qi and Blood moving. Qi

Gong exercises also help Qi and Blood to move.

 

Blood Stasis can result from several causes. One of these is trauma -

accidents or surgery.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " " <Rabbitbrain@e...> wrote:

> Again you explaine things very well. didn't know the acupuncture

> dosen't increase Qi.

 

It doesn't directly increase it, just improves the functioning of the

Spleen (and Lungs) so the " Grain Qi " and " Air Qi " can be better

extracted and utilized.

 

It's the same for Blood and Yin. Acupuncture doesn't directly

supplement them either.

 

BUT, Yang is different. Acupuncture with moxa will directly add Yang

to the body. Acupuncture by itself won't directly add it, but

acupuncture with moxa will.