Chinese herb blend

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if anyone had any experience taking this

herb blend I was told to take? I'm interested in learning more.

 

Plum Flower Brand-Four Gentlemen Tea Pills- Si Jun Zi Tang

Ingredients:

Codonopis pilosula root; Atractylodes macrocephala rhizome-fried;

Poria cocos fungus; Glycyrrhiza uralensis root.

Chinese name: Dang shen, Chao bai zhu, Fu ling, Gan cao.

 

I began seeing another acupuncturist, money shifted in my favor

for this treatment.

 

I am seeing him for my ribcage pain. He tells me that my main

problem is symptom of gallbladder and liver and spleen. Liver

being really disturbed. Between the treatments and the herb

I feel 50% better. I only seen him 3 times so far.

 

This herb is supposed to support my liver and Yin. The first

three days I began the herb I felt incredibly cool on the outside

of me. An airy wonderful feeling, like I could breath! The inside

of me still feels like mud. I had moments during the day that

my energy was very much there. Now it kind of leveled off.

I don't feel like I am floating about but feel normal and I can

do my day until sometime I feel myself sink energy wise

and physical pains come back.

 

I believe the herb called Codonopis pilosula root, is the herb

that I read helps produce interferon in the body. I read about

fybro problems some time ago and it was mentioned that these

sufferers need interferon production as well. You might want

to do a search on the herbs, I found interesting information.

 

However I don't know if they are as beneficial taking only

one of them. I don't know much about Chinese medicine either.

This is good stuff.

 

Liz D.

 

 

 

rabbitbrain

 

 

[Guest guest]

That is the same here. I was feeling like I couldn't put myself

together. Maybe one thing got done around here. My kids are

gown and on their own so I don't have much to do and no worries

about it if it doesn't get done.

 

In the past I tried a couple of kinds of Ginseng but none helped.

This stuff helps allot!

 

Liz D.

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine

3/19/2004 8:18:55 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Chinese herb blend

 

 

Well The codonopsis is used as a ginseng substitute , it tonifies the spleen

stomach and lungs, inhibits fatigue,strengthens and benefits chi.

when experimenting with my own diagnosis I determined that I had a lot of

problems , deficient spleen, kidneys and lung, being some of them.

this is something I think you can take long term. Experts, what do you say?

I use it for myself and it has increased my stamina so that I can go a

whole day. I used to rest three time a day and go tobed real early , still do

that

but now I can cook and was the dishes , clean my room, do laundry and play

with grandkids.

Rabiah

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well The codonopsis is used as a ginseng substitute , it tonifies the spleen

stomach and lungs, inhibits fatigue,strengthens and benefits chi.

when experimenting with my own diagnosis I determined that I had a lot of

problems , deficient spleen, kidneys and lung, being some of them.

this is something I think you can take long term. Experts, what do you say?

I use it for myself and it has increased my stamina so that I can go a

whole day. I used to rest three time a day and go tobed real early , still do

that

but now I can cook and was the dishes , clean my room, do laundry and play

with grandkids.

Rabiah

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese herbal formulas are designed to be integrated together. That is a

standard classical formula that you should be able to find a lot of information

about. It is a spleen qi tonic.

You never take single herbs in TCM.

Shad Reinstein

[Guest guest]

> This stuff helps allot!

 

In one of his articles, Bob Flaws recommends that codonopsis be

substituted for ginseng for people with CFIDS, FMS, Leaky Gut

Syndrome and some other things.

[Guest guest]

> You never take single herbs in TCM.

 

In some very, very rare cases someone might. But these are so rare

that for all practical purposes it doesn't happen.

 

What is far more likely to occur is that in addition to being on an

herbal formula or formulas, the person might take another tea

consisting of a single herb. For example, back when I was the

sickest, in addition to the main herbal tea (made up of several

herbs) that I took twice a day, the capsules (made up of several

herbs) that I took once a day for feminine help, the tincture (also

several herbs) for urinary tract help daily, some capsules (muliple

herbs) for digestive problems, and the Minor Blue Green Dragon tea

(also multiple herbs) I took daily for one week once a month for a

few months, the herbalist placed me on horny goat weed tea. Plus, I

was so Cold I used to drink one or more cups of ginger tea once or

more times per day. (I had a lot of problems that had gone on for

many years.)

 

Technically speaking, even though I took the epimedium and the ginger

as separate teas, I was not on just one herb. I'm mentioning this as

a way of demonstrating just how flexible one can be with TCM

treatment. Using acupressure in addition to herbs also gave some

additional flexibility and fine-tuning.

 

I want to stress for people reading this who is new to TCM that I was

very sick with muliple problems that had gone on for some time.

Hence, the unusual amount of herbs. The different ways of taking the

various herbs (hot tea, capsules, and tincture) was done to derive

maximum benefit from the herbs. For example, formulas for people who

are Kidney Yang Deficient and too Cold often are more effective when

administered as a hot tea instead of a room temperature tea, a

capsule, or a tincture. Some herbs are more effective for some

problems as tinctures. Etc.

 

The herbalist also was evaluating me once a month and changing

treatment as needed. The main formula was changed several times.

 

I began to get some dramatic results after 3 weeks. It took several

months before I could feel warmth when I touched my hands to my face.

That was a major mile stone for me.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/21/04 10:25:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

 

> I want to stress for people reading this who is new to TCM that I was

> very sick with muliple problems that had gone on for some time.

> Hence, the unusual amount of herbs.

 

I was really sick , am a lot better , and am looking forward tto getting even

stronger.Do yo think that you have reached optimum health for your condition

via tcm and how well are you now as compared to before, how does that compare

to the normal standards of wellness?

rabiah

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

topshelf wrote:

>Well The codonopsis is used as a ginseng substitute , it tonifies the spleen

> stomach and lungs, inhibits fatigue,strengthens and benefits chi.

>when experimenting with my own diagnosis I determined that I had a lot of

>problems , deficient spleen, kidneys and lung, being some of them.

>this is something I think you can take long term. Experts, what do you say?

> I use it for myself and it has increased my stamina so that I can go a

>whole day. I used to rest three time a day and go tobed real early , still do

that

>but now I can cook and was the dishes , clean my room, do laundry and play

>with grandkids.

>Rabiah

 

Wow Rabiah - that is great !

Cat

 

 

^. .^ ~

 

" Optimism is magic! "

[Guest guest]

> stronger.Do yo think that you have reached optimum health for your

condition

> via tcm and how well are you now as compared to before, how does

that compare

> to the normal standards of wellness?

 

I haven't reached optimal health. I continue to improve the more I

learn and the longer I stay on TCM treatment.

 

I want to stress that I was sick for at least 20-some years before

discovering TCM. Actually, at least one of the TCM imbalances

probably started in childhood as I can remember hating the cold and

having trouble warming up even back then. (Kidney Yang Deficiency)

Things got worse and worse over the years without proper treatment.

 

The longer someone has been sick, as a rule, the longer it takes to

heal. And Kidney Yang Deficiency is one of those things (like

Phlegm) that can take a long time to treat under the best of

circumstances.

 

When I was the sickest I was having to crawl to the bathroom at

night, I couldn't read, couldn't use a computer, couldn't even follow

the most mindless sitcom on TV. Even if I had had the energy to pull

myself to a standing position, it was too painful to do so. Plus,

this also was the time I was waking up about every 15 minutes, often

having to go to the bathroom about that often.

 

I had an adversion to drinking anything. In between that and the

going to the bathroom so much, I ended up in ER for dehydration quite

a bit.

 

The nausea was constant and severe. Just about everything I ate

bothered me and made my breathing problems worse.

 

Many PWCs (People With CFIDS - Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction

Syndrome) have at least one of what I call " a link to normalcy " that

they will not let go of. The reasoning is that as long as one can

continue to do that, things aren't quite so dire. For many PWCs, the

normalcy link is getting dressed each day. Even if they have to

spend the day lying on the couch. For me it was cooking supper each

night. Most nights I did. Of course " cooking supper " during this

period consisted of getting something out of the freezer and putting

it into the microwave. I was so sick that after I got whatever out

of the freezer, I had to sit down and rest before I could walk the

few steps across the kitchen to put it in the microwave.

 

Some nights I would have a little energy, and I would get ambitious.

I would fix soup and sandwiches. By the time I got the soup can

opened and poured the soup into the pot, I was so tired I had to put

the burner on low and go lie down. After resting, I tackled the

sandwiches. Somehow in between all the rest periods I got supper

finished.

 

I got some help from Western alternative medicine and began to

improve oh so slowly. My two goals at the time were to be able to

walk to the bathroom at night and to be able to sit up and watch some

TV in the living room. When I finally reached the second goal, I sat

there longer than I had wanted to sit there because I was too tired

and hurt too much to get up.

 

Eventually, I saw a TCM herbalist. Improvement was so dramatic that

I started to learn everything I could about TCM. Abilities began to

return to me that I had thought were lost forever. For the first

time in the 20-some years of being sick I began to regain some of the

things that had been lost with each major flare-up.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

victoria_dragon wrote:

>I want to stress that I was sick for at least 20-some years before

>discovering TCM. Actually, at least one of the TCM imbalances

>probably started in childhood as I can remember hating the cold and

>having trouble warming up even back then. (Kidney Yang Deficiency)

>Things got worse and worse over the years without proper treatment.

<<snip>>

>Eventually, I saw a TCM herbalist. Improvement was so dramatic that

>I started to learn everything I could about TCM. Abilities began to

>return to me that I had thought were lost forever. For the first

>time in the 20-some years of being sick I began to regain some of the

>things that had been lost with each major flare-up.

 

Victoria - Thanks for sharing all of that. It encourages me as I get layer

after layer taken care of that eventually I will continue to

get better and better. Cheers, Cat

 

 

^. .^ ~

 

" Optimism is magic! "

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Cat <iceisit@e...> wrote:

> victoria_dragon wrote:

> >I want to stress that I was sick for at least 20-some years before

> >discovering TCM. Actually, at least one of the TCM imbalances

> >probably started in childhood ...

Your story sounds very familiar especially the part about not being

able to finish a task before having to stop and rest . When I try to

pinpoint the beginning of my illness though I always get back to poor

nutrition and lots of stress. You are a testament to what tcm can do

and as Cat says it give others lots of hope.

thanks

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon> wrote: Eventually, I saw a TCM herbalist.

Improvement was so dramatic that I started to learn everything I

could about TCM. Abilities began to return to me that I had thought

were lost forever.

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Wow! Thanks for sharing this. I feel like there's hope. I've been

going through the links and trying to understand. I think I'm at my

maximum for comprehension, though, because I don't understand.

 

Can you share with us how you found your TCM Herbalist? What would

you tell a newbie about seeking one out?

 

Thank you very much,

mjd