Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Question: IN TCM when you speak of the spleen it referees to the Pancreas, right. And (2) where does the -western - Spleen relates to in TCM Thank you. Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 > Question: IN TCM when you speak of the spleen it referees to the > Pancreas, right. And (2) where does the -western - Spleen relates to in TCM Actually to functions of both the spleen and pancreas. Some Western writers even refer to it as the Spleen-Pancreas. The following is one of the key underlying concepts in understanding TCM: TCM Organs are not so much anatomical as they are collections of functions. The TCM concept of the Kidneys contains many of the functions of the adrenal glands (and some other glands). The TCM concept of the Spleen contains functions of both the Pancreas and the Spleen. Part of the misunderstanding is the way the original Chinese was translated. It's not that the Chinese didn't and don't recognize anatomy. They do. It's that the emphasis is on collections of functions instead of anatomy. It's a more holitic view of the body and health than in the West. This will become clearer as you learn more and more TCM. It takes a while at first. In TCM, the Kidneys are said " to open into the ears " . You will be surprised how often people with Kidney imbalance have or had problems with the ears and hearing. When I saw the TCM herbalist, part of the evaluation (besides a tongue diagnosis and a pulse diagnosis) was a very lengthy verbal questionaire in which questions were arranged according to the 12 Organs. Part of the questions under the Kidneys concerned problems with hearing and the ears. Whenever TCM healers hear that a client has problems with the ears and/or hearing, s/he automatically suspects and rules in or rules out Kidney imbalance. (For example, certain Liver imbalances and Blood Stasis can result in tinnitus, not just Kidney imbalance). Weak knees and a sore back - particularly the lower back - also suggests possible Kidney imbalance. As do problems with urinating. Problems with teeth (like excessive decay or a tendency to break or chip or discolar from the inside) or with bones also suggest Kidney imbalance. The Liver " opens into the eyes " . Whenever eye and/or vision problems are present, suspect and rule in or rule out Liver imbalance. Part of the reason for why certain things tend to occur together is the paths the 12 meridians associated with the 12 Organs take through the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 In a message dated 3/19/04 12:34:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, michellec writes: > Is there a resource for this kind of information in the simple way that you > present it? > Michelle in other words did this come from your head or a book.LOL I want to know too it seems like so much and I guess that is how the people who ask me questions feel when they ask. I bet it does come from your head and that is where it has to come from if you are going to be any good at this thing.mThat is why it takes several yers of study Eh?? Rabiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Is there a resource for this kind of information in the simple way that you present it? Michelle - victoria_dragon Chinese Traditional Medicine Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:26 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: TCM's Spleen > Question: IN TCM when you speak of the spleen it referees to the > Pancreas, right. And (2) where does the -western - Spleen relates to in TCM Actually to functions of both the spleen and pancreas. Some Western writers even refer to it as the Spleen-Pancreas. The following is one of the key underlying concepts in understanding TCM: TCM Organs are not so much anatomical as they are collections of functions. The TCM concept of the Kidneys contains many of the functions of the adrenal glands (and some other glands). The TCM concept of the Spleen contains functions of both the Pancreas and the Spleen. Part of the misunderstanding is the way the original Chinese was translated. It's not that the Chinese didn't and don't recognize anatomy. They do. It's that the emphasis is on collections of functions instead of anatomy. It's a more holitic view of the body and health than in the West. This will become clearer as you learn more and more TCM. It takes a while at first. In TCM, the Kidneys are said " to open into the ears " . You will be surprised how often people with Kidney imbalance have or had problems with the ears and hearing. When I saw the TCM herbalist, part of the evaluation (besides a tongue diagnosis and a pulse diagnosis) was a very lengthy verbal questionaire in which questions were arranged according to the 12 Organs. Part of the questions under the Kidneys concerned problems with hearing and the ears. Whenever TCM healers hear that a client has problems with the ears and/or hearing, s/he automatically suspects and rules in or rules out Kidney imbalance. (For example, certain Liver imbalances and Blood Stasis can result in tinnitus, not just Kidney imbalance). Weak knees and a sore back - particularly the lower back - also suggests possible Kidney imbalance. As do problems with urinating. Problems with teeth (like excessive decay or a tendency to break or chip or discolar from the inside) or with bones also suggest Kidney imbalance. The Liver " opens into the eyes " . Whenever eye and/or vision problems are present, suspect and rule in or rule out Liver imbalance. Part of the reason for why certain things tend to occur together is the paths the 12 meridians associated with the 12 Organs take through the body. Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Thank you. victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon wrote:> Question: IN TCM when you speak of the spleen it referees to the > Pancreas, right. And (2) where does the -western - Spleen relates to in TCM ........... mynsp.com/herb4life God's Peace Bye. Shelford C.N.H.P. Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 > Is there a resource for this kind of information in the simple way that you present it? It's basic information off the top of my head. When I go into things deeper than basic info, I cite the source and author. There are a number of very good books on the market that will give those new to TCM a grounding in the basics. One of the best books is The Web That Has No Weaver. Also, you can read through the earliest posts in the message base. These were designed to walk those new to TCM through the basics. The message base also has a search function for specific topices. At first TCM can seem very overwhelming because it is so different from Western medicine. But after you get that basic view of the " forest " , the " trees " start to come into much sharper focus. It also all falls into place, and you find that you often can figure things out from the basics. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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