TCM Diagnosis Help

[Guest guest]

Hello ecveryone. I was wondering if anyone out there could help me

figure out something. I have been using herbs to help friends and

family menbers for 25 years and just last year got into TCM . Herbs I

love it it is more through. THe tcm herbalist sytem of categorizing

things is stumping me in a particular case. It is the damp heat

syndrome . I know 2 people who have hep c and this disease is

considered damp heat catergory. While one person a male fits the

profile exactly, the other person a lady does not. The mans

treatmenat with the reccommended herbs are going well,where as the

lady's treatment is still up in the air for me. She has cold damp

syndrome (I think) never thirsty , always cold seeking warmth pale

swollen tongue .etc.

The formula that I used for the man has a lot of cooling herbs, when

the lady tried it she was immediately cold and had chills. The guy is

holding his own and feels better.

Now of course there are extenuating circumstances, she has hypo

thyroidism, and lupus, She is on allopathic meds for both synthroid,

and plaquenil, but the hep C is the prominent symptomology. Does

anyone have any recommendations?

thanks

Denise

[Guest guest]

Hi Denise,

 

It is impossible to diagnose and recommend treatment via email, so

these are just ideas for you to research further. And to help you

understand more about TCM.

 

> THe tcm herbalist sytem of categorizing

> things is stumping me in a particular case. It is the damp heat

> syndrome . I know 2 people who have hep c and this disease is

> considered damp heat catergory. While one person a male fits the

> profile exactly, the other person a lady does not. The mans

> treatmenat with the reccommended herbs are going well,where as the

> lady's treatment is still up in the air for me. She has cold damp

> syndrome (I think) never thirsty , always cold seeking warmth pale

> swollen tongue .etc.

 

Both Heat and Cold disorders can exist at the same time in the same

person. TCM healers treat the entire person at the same time (when

possible).

 

> The formula that I used for the man has a lot of cooling herbs,

when

> the lady tried it she was immediately cold and had chills. The guy

is

> holding his own and feels better.

> Now of course there are extenuating circumstances, she has hypo

> thyroidism, and lupus, She is on allopathic meds for both

synthroid,

> and plaquenil, but the hep C is the prominent symptomology. Does

> anyone have any recommendations?

 

The coldness, always seeking warmth, pale tongue, and not feeling

thirsty are symptoms of Kidney Yang Deficiency. You might want to

use the search function in the message base to research Yang.

 

I'm not surprised that she got worse when treated just for Damp

Heat. The cooling herbs aggravated the Coldness. BTW, there is quite

a lot of overlap between the symptoms of hypothyroidism and Kidney

Yang Deficiency. They are not the same thing, but there is an

overlap. Some people who are hypothyroid (self included) was helped

some by thyroid medication but even though the blood levels rose to

normal, the coldness, tiredness, and other typical symptoms of

hypothyroidism didn't stop entirely until the person also was treated

for Kidney Yang Deficiency.

 

It's very common for Heat and Cold problems to be present in the same

person at the same time. One of the more common scenarios is Kidney

Yang Deficiency and Liver Qi Stagnation resulting in Heat.

 

To be continued.

[Guest guest]

What you do in cases where there is mixed Heat and Cold is to treat

both at the same time either via herbs, acupuncture, or a combination

of herbs and acupuncture. Depending on the problem and the severity

of the problem, the herbs to treat both the Heat and the Cold can be

administered in the same formula (the most common way to do it) or in

separate formulas (in unsual cases).

 

TCM recognizes " Guide Herbs " . If you look at a TCM Materia Medica

(book of healing substances used in TCM), you'll see listed for every

herb (or other substance) a list of the meridians and Organs which

the herb targets specifically. This makes fine-tuning treatments a

bit easier than in most other systems of herbalism. Some of

these " herbs " go beyond targeting specific Organs and meridians. The

will actually guide the effects of other herbs into a specific Organ

or meridian. For example, some Kidney formulas call for taking the

formula with a pinch of salt because salt will " guide " the effects of

other herbs to the Kidneys.

 

Also keep in mind that TCM healers analyze and treat TCM imbalances,

not Western-defined medical conditions. It is critical to remember

this because the same Western-defined medical condition may have any

number of possible TCM imblances underlying it. What helps one person

with a specific Western-defined medical condition may do nothing for

a second and may even hurt a third because the underlying TCM

imbalances are different.

 

I'm not an expert on hepatitis C so I can't tell you what the

possible underlying TCM Roots are. Someone else on here may know,

and I'll see if I have any information on it.

 

TCM healers treat ALL imbalances at the same time (when possible) so

as to avoid aggravating one imbalance while treating another. TCM

healers analyze and treat TCM imbalances, not Western-defined medical

conditions.

[Guest guest]

Hi aladawiyyah

 

have a look here:

http://www.ewh.pt/yuan-en.php

I met John Tindall in London, his clinical experience, knowledge

is beyond everything I have seen. I admire him.

You might want to ask him for advice.

 

His teacher is 'Wu Boping' who is also specialized in Lupus treatment.

Wu Boping tours western countries to teach as many people as possible,

try to get in touch with him. I dont know where he can be reached.

 

Greetings Tay.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " tayfx " <aajohansen@u...>

wrote:

> Hi aladawiyyah

>

> have a look here:

> http://www.ewh.pt/yuan-en.php

> I met John Tindall in London, his clinical experience, knowledge

> is beyond everything I have seen. I admire him.

> You might want to ask him for advice.

Tay.

Thank you very much Tay, How do you pronounce your name? I really

appreciate it. ever since I joined this group I have been moving

forward in the areas that i want to .

 

Thank you all

Rabiah