Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 What are the symptoms and causes of dreamdeath? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Dream Death is not a diagnosis, in western medicine and to my knowledge in TCM as well. This is why we need to do a differentiation. It is not listed in Diagnostic Criteria from DSM-4 But you will find: 307.47 Nightmare Disorder (formerly Dream Anxiety Disorder) 307.46 Sleep Terror Disorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 can anyone tell me : if you have heat in one of the meridians, do you necessarily have heat in all of them? or dampness, or cold? is one meridian affected first, and then this spills over to the neighbouring meridians? twomtns2002 <twomtns2002 wrote:What are the symptoms and causes of dreamdeath? Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 On Feb 16, 2004, at 2:13 PM, jamie farris wrote: > can anyone tell me : if you have heat in one of the meridians, do you > necessarily have heat in all of them? Nope. > or dampness, Nope, in fact this question came up recently with one of my teachers. I noticed that he used the acupuncture point SJ 6 for dampness. I asked him why he didn't use the more customary St. 40. He said that Stomach 40 was for dampness in the Spleen or Stomach while SJ 6 is good for dampness that is everywhere, so dampness can be local or systemic. > or cold? Same thing, it can be localized or systemic. > is one meridian affected first, and then this spills over to the > neighbouring meridians? Yes, sometimes. There are a few means by which a pathogenic factor can move, this would be one of them. > twomtns2002 <twomtns2002 wrote:What are the symptoms and > causes of dreamdeath? I've never heard of " dreamdeath " though if I were a rocker, I'd definitely consider this term as a name for my band! -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 thanks Al Stone <alstone wrote: On Feb 16, 2004, at 2:13 PM, jamie farris wrote: > can anyone tell me : if you have heat in one of the meridians, do you > necessarily have heat in all of them? Nope. > or dampness, Nope, in fact this question came up recently with one of my teachers. I noticed that he used the acupuncture point SJ 6 for dampness. I asked him why he didn't use the more customary St. 40. He said that Stomach 40 was for dampness in the Spleen or Stomach while SJ 6 is good for dampness that is everywhere, so dampness can be local or systemic. > or cold? Same thing, it can be localized or systemic. > is one meridian affected first, and then this spills over to the > neighbouring meridians? Yes, sometimes. There are a few means by which a pathogenic factor can move, this would be one of them. > twomtns2002 <twomtns2002 wrote:What are the symptoms and > causes of dreamdeath? I've never heard of " dreamdeath " though if I were a rocker, I'd definitely consider this term as a name for my band! -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I suspect that he is referring to having dreams of his own death, or perhaps dreams of death in general? Isn't that related to metal somehow?? mbanu Chinese Traditional Medicine , KarateStan@a... wrote: > Dream Death is not a diagnosis, in western medicine and to my knowledge in > TCM as well. > This is why we need to do a differentiation. > > It is not listed in Diagnostic Criteria from DSM-4 > But you will find: > 307.47 Nightmare Disorder (formerly Dream Anxiety Disorder) > 307.46 Sleep Terror Disorder > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " walmart_hurts " <jcc@c...> wrote: > I suspect that he is referring to having dreams of his own death, or > perhaps dreams of death in general? Isn't that related to metal > somehow?? Do you mean like " needing to let go " issues which fall under Metal? I don't know about " dreamdeath " because I'm unfamiliar with that term. I do know that nightmares with themes of decay and putrification - like corpses, sewers, etc. - frequently are symptoms of digestive system problems. I had this problem when I was placed on a NSAID (NonSteroid AntiInfammatory Drug) for bursitis in the hip. My digestive system was torn up, I had horrible nightmares, and I had problems breathing. (Lungs - Yin Metal Organ). So there also could be a tie-in to Metal with these types of dreams. The breathing problems eased when I stopped the NSAID, and the digestive problems and the horrible dreams cleared up when I started on thyme tea. (The bursitis cleared up completely with castor oil packs.) For readers interested in 5 Element Theory, Earth is the " Mother " of Metal. Earth generates Metal. Anything done to the " Mother " will show up in the Son (in this case Metal). The Spleen is Yin Earth, and the Stomach is Yang Earth. The Lungs are Yin Metal, and the Large Intestine is Yang Metal. I hadn't thought of this particular connection in the case of my problem until you posted. Both the breathing and the digestive system problems were quite pronounced when I was on the NSAID. Digestive system problems and breathing problems have been linked for me at other times too, but the link was really pronounced when I was on the NSAID. Thanks. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I want to add something to dream symbolism suggestive of digestive system problem. I also have had a lot of dreams where I make a series of 90 degree turns. This often is symbolic of the large intestine. If you look at a drawing of a colon, there are a series of 90 degree turns in it. A reminder for those new to TCM: In 5 Element Theory, Earth generates Metal. Yin Earth Spleen and Yang Earth Stomach; Yin Metal Lungs and Yang Metal Large Intestine. Dreams in which there are a series of hairpin curves can be symbolic of the small intestine. That's what the small intestine looks like. A series of hairpin curves. Dreams of blizzards may be symbolic of problems with dairy. But dreams of blizzards can be symbolic of other things as well. As far as symbolic dreams, it doesn't matter if the person having them has a knowledge of anatomy or not. The person's nervous system is in touch with every part of the body, and information is being fed back to the brain to process. The brain will use what symbols it has and knows to try to file the information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 victoria_dragon wrote: >I had this problem when I was placed on a NSAID (NonSteroid >AntiInfammatory Drug) for bursitis in the hip. My digestive system >was torn up, I had horrible nightmares, and I had problems breathing. >(Lungs - Yin Metal Organ). So there also could be a tie-in to Metal >with these types of dreams. That reminds me ... about the time a lot of my health problems worsened about 2.5 years ago my lung doctor was trying different combinations of steroidal inhalers and various oral meds for my asthma and allergies. While my lungs had a rest in Flagstaff from the air and allergens here I was able to wean myself off of them this summer. That might have been part of the problem with my digestion. Thanks for mentioning that. I have managed to stay off of them by not eating much of anything with sugar and being sure I have very little high starch foods as that seems to make my lungs irritated and burn. >The breathing problems eased when I stopped the NSAID, and the >digestive problems and the horrible dreams cleared up when I started >on thyme tea. (The bursitis cleared up completely with castor oil >packs.) Thyme tea - any others which are particularly good for the stomach? I had mentioned camomille to my acupuncturist and she had never heard of it . . . . thanks - Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 > Thyme tea - any others which are particularly good for the stomach? I forget what the TCM properties of thyme are. Does anyone else know? I ask because it was right for me, but I can't predict when it would be right for someone else and when it would be contraindicated. I also put fennel seeds in with the thyme. I do know the TCM properties of those. Fennel seeds (fruit), aka Fructus (fruit of) Foeniculi Vulgairs, aka Xiao Hui Xiang. Acrid taste and warm thermal energy. Affinity for Liver, Kidney, Spleen, and Stomach. Its primary classification is an Herb that Warns the Interior and Expels Cold. Use cautiously " in cases of Yin Deficiency with Heat signs " . (Materia Medica, Revised Edition, Dan Bensky and Andrew Gamble, p. 307.) It also spreads the Liver Qi as well as warms the Kidnys. (p. 306.) It's also used in treating hernias due to Cold as it encourages movement in the Liver channel and Lower Burner. From a Western viewpoint, it increases intestional peristalsis, thus making it good in cases of colonic inertia due to cold. Fennel seeds regulate " the qi and harmonizes the Stomach " . (307) They are used in treating some cases of allergies in both Western and TCM herbalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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