Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 In TCM what causes ringing in the ears .... or...what organ would that be tied into or what meridian. Thanks - Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Cat <iceisit@e...> wrote: > > In TCM what causes ringing in the ears .... > > or...what organ would that be tied into > > or what meridian. > > Thanks - > Cat > > ^. .^ ~ First of all, I don't believe that I have introduced myself to the group. My name is Mark Burrows and I am a Licensed Acupuncturist in Norwich, England. Cat Ringing in the ears is attributed to either the Liver or Kidney. Liver being higher pitched and Kidney lower. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 On Feb 13, 2004, at 2:25 AM, Cat wrote: > In TCM what causes ringing in the ears .... > > or...what organ would that be tied into > > or what meridian. Chronic tinnitus is generally a deficiency of something from the Kidneys as they " open to the ears " . Tinnitus that is stress induced (generally some flavor of anger) is Liver wind entering the GB meridian which then enters the ear to give it a sense of being clogged up or a high pitched noise that reminds me of a dog whistle. " Sudden deafness " is a term that is sometimes applied to this. Tinnitus that is stress induced (generally some flavor of joy) is indicative of the Heart getting a little hot, and sending heat up the SI meridian to enter the ear. This one is my own personal observation and not the TCM " party line " . There are also ear ringing issues that arise from an external conditions such as wind cold or the common cold. This would have to do with mucus in the local tissues and should clear up as soon as the cold passes. Blood stagnation too can generate some tinnitus, but this would be following a loud noise such as a hand grenade or sonic boom at close range. Some rock stars who stand in front of large amplifiers or flight deck crew on air craft carriers may run into this kind of tinnitus. -al. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Al Stone wrote: >Chronic tinnitus is generally a deficiency of something from the >Kidneys as they " open to the ears " . Well my liver, spleen and kidneys seem to be the recurring theme :-) thanks - It all started with some dental work about 5 or 6 years ago. I had two crowns put in and my face was swollen and black and blue afterwards. Anger about that, yup! Also, I had four crowns put in without explanation as to what a crown was. Have had to have them all done over twice and they still are not right. The ringing in my ear definitely is related to eating . . . but I cannot seem to figure out exactly what is causing it. Maybe any food causes my liver to react. >Tinnitus that is stress induced (generally some flavor of anger) is >Liver wind entering the GB meridian which then enters the ear to give >it a sense of being clogged up or a high pitched noise that reminds me >of a dog whistle. " Sudden deafness " is a term that is sometimes applied >to this. I have had a ton of stress during the past 5-10 years and frankly it doesn't seem like there is a lot of relief in sight. Just occasional relief, but until after we move from here, it continues. >Tinnitus that is stress induced (generally some flavor of joy) is >indicative of the Heart getting a little hot, and sending heat up the >SI meridian to enter the ear. This one is my own personal observation >and not the TCM " party line " . Interesting. >There are also ear ringing issues that arise from an external >conditions such as wind cold or the common cold. This would have to do >with mucus in the local tissues and should clear up as soon as the cold >passes. For me it seems that if I eat anything I am allergic to, or anything with sugar it flares up. For a while after many months of accupuncture it seemed to subside . . . then it returns. Now mostly in the right. It was aggravated by loud noises from the rink, etc. But one Chinese woman I had swears it was caused by the dental work and she felt that I got an infection from the work he did. (He did not prescribe any antibiotics.) I took a high dosage of aspirin because I could not even get ahold of him on the telephone and I was in excruciating pain. >Blood stagnation too can generate some tinnitus, but this would be >following a loud noise such as a hand grenade or sonic boom at close >range. Some rock stars who stand in front of large amplifiers or >flight deck crew on air craft carriers may run into this kind of >tinnitus. Does blood stagnation result from a lack of exercise or wrong foods? Stress and environmental polutates are the worst in my situation. Thanks for your note - Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 Here's more evidence of the deep pathological problems that you exhibit. There is no one in this forum who is able to treat you effectively through email correspondence. You need a much more intensive treatment program involving medication. Moe At 03:22 PM 2/13/2004, you wrote: >Al Stone wrote: > >Chronic tinnitus is generally a deficiency of something from the > >Kidneys as they " open to the ears " . > >Well my liver, spleen and kidneys seem to be the recurring theme :-) >thanks - > >It all started with some dental work about 5 or 6 years ago. > >I had two crowns put in and my face was swollen and black and blue afterwards. > >Anger about that, yup! Also, I had four crowns put in without >explanation as to what a crown >was. Have had to have them all done over twice and they still are not right. > >The ringing in my ear definitely is related to eating . . . but I cannot >seem to figure out >exactly what is causing it. > >Maybe any food causes my liver to react. > > >Tinnitus that is stress induced (generally some flavor of anger) is > >Liver wind entering the GB meridian which then enters the ear to give > >it a sense of being clogged up or a high pitched noise that reminds me > >of a dog whistle. " Sudden deafness " is a term that is sometimes applied > >to this. > >I have had a ton of stress during the past 5-10 years and frankly it >doesn't seem >like there is a lot of relief in sight. Just occasional relief, but >until after we >move from here, it continues. > > >Tinnitus that is stress induced (generally some flavor of joy) is > >indicative of the Heart getting a little hot, and sending heat up the > >SI meridian to enter the ear. This one is my own personal observation > >and not the TCM " party line " . > >Interesting. > > >There are also ear ringing issues that arise from an external > >conditions such as wind cold or the common cold. This would have to do > >with mucus in the local tissues and should clear up as soon as the cold > >passes. > >For me it seems that if I eat anything I am allergic to, or anything >with sugar it flares up. > >For a while after many months of accupuncture it seemed to subside . . . >then it returns. Now mostly in the right. > >It was aggravated by loud noises from the rink, etc. > >But one Chinese woman I had swears it was caused by the dental work >and she felt that I got an infection from the work he did. > >(He did not prescribe any antibiotics.) I took a high dosage of >aspirin because I could not even get ahold of him on the telephone and I >was in excruciating pain. > > >Blood stagnation too can generate some tinnitus, but this would be > >following a loud noise such as a hand grenade or sonic boom at close > >range. Some rock stars who stand in front of large amplifiers or > >flight deck crew on air craft carriers may run into this kind of > >tinnitus. > >Does blood stagnation result from a lack of exercise or wrong foods? > >Stress and environmental polutates are the worst in my situation. > >Thanks for your note - Cat > > >^. .^ ~ > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 > Blood stagnation too can generate some tinnitus, but this would be > following a loud noise such as a hand grenade or sonic boom at close > range. Some rock stars who stand in front of large amplifiers or > flight deck crew on air craft carriers may run into this kind of > tinnitus. Thanks, Al. This is what happened to my husband from the big guns on ships being fired. What are the recommended acupoints and formula for this type of tinnitus? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 On Feb 13, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Cat wrote: > Does blood stagnation result from a lack of exercise or wrong foods? Lack of exercise, potentially yes. Wrong foods, I don't think so. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 Al Stone wrote: >On Feb 13, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Cat wrote: > > > Does blood stagnation result from a lack of exercise or wrong foods? > >Lack of exercise, potentially yes. > >Wrong foods, I don't think so. Thanks - I have gotten a lot of exercise all of my life, and when I had the elevated liver numbers I started taking cayenne and ginger capsules. This was before I went to acupuncture. Acupuncturist told me they were too heat creating for me right now. Then I recently eliminated all curry and tumeric from my soups and my stomach has calmed down a lot thansk to the feedback of this list, but not the ringing entirely. As I wrote previously, the ringing comes back or increases after eating. And it doesn't seem to be related to any particular food, altho the exception is that starchy carbs or sugars make it worse. The only thing which helped the ringing was acupuncture. Since I am taking a break from that for a while, I was hoping there was something I could do for myself during the meanwhile. The previous accupuncturist (in another state) was very convinced it was due to some extensive dental work which I had about 6 years ago. But I would have thought the affects of the dental work would have been long gone by now . . . . Dr. Hulda Clark doesn't believe in crowns and thinks they cause underlying low grade infections. She is not a TCM practitioner, but I am trying to look at all of the data as it is on the same side. Thanks Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 On Feb 14, 2004, at 10:38 AM, Cat wrote: > As I wrote previously, the ringing comes back or increases after > eating. And it doesn't seem to be related to any particular food, > altho the exception is that starchy carbs or sugars make it worse. There is a pathology that arises from a digestive problem called dampness. This dampness can congeal in the sensory orifices giving rise to ear ringing or a general dulling of your sensory acuity. That's the only relationship between the hearing and food I can think of. > Dr. Hulda Clark doesn't believe in crowns and thinks they cause > underlying low grade infections. She is not a TCM practitioner, but > I am trying to look at all of the data as it is on the same side. > Thanks TCM doesn't really have an opinion in regards to dental work as apparently this is a newer invention. I'm not too terribly convinced that dental work is the root of all evil, but what they heck, perhaps its a problem. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 On Feb 13, 2004, at 7:57 PM, victoria_dragon wrote: >> Blood stagnation too can generate some tinnitus, but this would be >> following a loud noise such as a hand grenade or sonic boom at > close >> range. Some rock stars who stand in front of large amplifiers or >> flight deck crew on air craft carriers may run into this kind of >> tinnitus. > > Thanks, Al. This is what happened to my husband from the big guns on > ships being fired. > > What are the recommended acupoints and formula for this type of > tinnitus? The first acupoint would be shen calming as this is probably going to be of the most benefit rather than really expecting to fix the tinnitus, just calming the spirit so it doesn't drive your husband crazy will be of immediate benefit. I myself have two kinds of tinnitus, the liver kind and the kidney kind. The liver kind is pretty easy to address with the old stand by points such as Liver 3, LI 4, GB 41 (distal for the GB channel which enters the ear), GB 2 (local point, consider cupping with a very small cup in front of the ear on this point too), and SJ 3 which is an emperical point as I understand it. For the Kidney type, the usual kidney tonic points come to mind such as Kidney 3, 7, UB 23, 52, etc... As for the Blood stagnation type, I don't even know the points suggested off hand. The key thing on this, is treating it immediately rather than years later. I would assume your local points such as GB 2 as well as SJ 3 and all the blood moving points such as UB 17 and 18 together, Spleen 10, etc... -al. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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