Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 >><Rabbitbrain wrote:Jamie, I have enjoyed reading the >>page you sent. I was surprised to find dry >>eyes listed as a symtpom and is treatable. I have dry eyes also >>with this rib pain and I hope I can get someone to help clear both >>problems up. >>Do you or anyone else here, know of persons who did get rid of dry >>eye syndrome using acupuncture? I would like to hear. Liz jamie farris wrote: >dry eyes are a pretty standard symptom for liver heat and upper jiao >heat. check the web site www.acuxo.com and you may want to look at >the points on meridians on the head near the eye, for the related >list of symptoms. i think that the stomach and liver meridians also >have a bunch of points that relate to this symptom. i think that if >you are being treated for pain near the ribs, the symptom of dry >eyes is being treated at the same time. I was wondering why I didn't notice this before, but I used to have very watery eyes. All my life people would comment about it ... I am a double Cancer astrologically, and I just chalked it up to that. Now my eyes are dry but I didn't notice it until I read your post. Now I am a bit worried. I am going to the web site and see what it says about those meridians and get my husband to use our massager on them. It is also a bit disconcerting to realize that foods that " contradict one another " are supposed to be eaten together. What happened to the simple peasant diet being the healthiest one . . . . Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Cat wrote: >jamie farris wrote: > >dry eyes are a pretty standard symptom for liver heat and upper jiao > >heat. check the web site www.acuxo.com and you may want to look at > >the points on meridians on the head near the eye, for the related > >list of symptoms. I haven't finished reading all of it yet, but I was amazed ... I looked up red eyes as mine are probably sore and red from being dry. (I thought it was allergies.) Every single trigger point I rubbed was sore. I did the ones on the back/side of the neck and before I started I had trouble turning my head from side to side (which is usual) and after doing some massage my eyes felt slightly better, but my neck was much better. They are probably related, so if I do this every day for a while I should get a lot better. I am glad that many that they showed I could reach myself. Funny, those points didn't feel sore until I started paying attention to them. Great web site. Thanks for reminding me as I had looked at it a while ago and had forgotten how detailed the stuff is. Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 > Every single trigger point I rubbed was sore. I did the ones on > the back/side of the neck and before I started I had trouble turning > my head from side to side (which is usual) and after doing some massage > my eyes felt slightly better, but my neck was much better. They > are probably related, so if I do this every day for a while I should get > a lot better. I am glad that many that they showed I could reach myself. It's amazing what just acupressure and massage can do. When you study TCM, one of the things you learn is to pay attention to meridian areas that feel cold, hot, numb, tingling, painful, or unusual in any way. The skin along the course of the meridian may even look different in some cases. > Funny, those points didn't feel sore until I started paying attention > to them. When low-level pain has gone on for some time and there is nothing that can be done at the time, people learn to ignore it. It still affects them, but the pain isn't consciously registering until they move a certain way or pressing on the point. When problems have gone on for a very long time or the problem is very severe, some acupoints will be very noticably sore and/or painful. What sometimes happens when a person practices regular acupressure on vulnerable areas is that they lose the tendency to some problems. They gain resistence. I refer to it as " preventive maintenance " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 > I haven't finished reading all of it yet, but I was amazed ... I looked up > red eyes as mine are probably sore and red from being dry. (I thought it > was allergies.) Part of the reason why allergy-like symptoms are more common and tend to be worse in the spring than at any other time of year is that Wind is the predominate atmospheric condition in the spring. Not that the wind doesn't blow at other times of the year, but it can be particularly bad in the spring. The TCM concept of Wind includes not only the wind but also changes in barometric pressure and changes in ion concentrations. Many allergy and allergy-like symptoms also are those of Exterior Wind Cold or Exterior Wind Heat invasion. For example, sore and stiff muscles - particularly in the neck, runny or stopped up nose, dry or watery eyes, some cases of headache, etc. The Exterior of the body includes the head, neck, shoulders, arms, legs, skin, muscles, bones, and meridians. The Interior are the trunk of the body and the Organs. There are 3 main things that can cause a person to be more susceptible to Exterior " Pernicious Evils " (Cold, Heat, Wind, Dampness, and Dryness) than a normal person. The number one thing is Deficient Protective Qi (which circulates at the surface of the body and gives resistence to Exterior Pathogens). Since the Spleen and the Lungs play the biggest roles in the body's Qi supplies, a weakness in either can trigger Protective Qi Deficiency. Blood Deficiency also can cause a person to be more susceptible to Exterior Evils. Particularly if it has gone on for sometime. Again, since the Spleen also plays a major role in Blood production, a weakness in the Spleen will lead to Blood Deficiency. Long-term Kidney Yang Deficiency also can cause a person to be very weather-sensitive. When considering Exterior Pernicious Evils, also consider artificial Exterior Pernicious Evils. Like sitting in the draft from an air conditioner (Exterior Wind Chill) or from a heater (Exterior Wind Heat). Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 victoria_dragon wrote: >Part of the reason why allergy-like symptoms are more common and tend >to be worse in the spring than at any other time of year is that Wind >is the predominate atmospheric condition in the spring. Not that the >wind doesn't blow at other times of the year, but it can be >particularly bad in the spring. > >SNIP..... > >When considering Exterior Pernicious Evils, also consider artificial >Exterior Pernicious Evils. Like sitting in the draft from an air >conditioner (Exterior Wind Chill) or from a heater (Exterior Wind >Heat). > >Victoria Wow! Thanks for all the great info ! ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 victoria_dragon wrote: >It's amazing what just acupressure and massage can do. > >When you study TCM, one of the things you learn is to pay attention >to meridian areas that feel cold, hot, numb, tingling, painful, or >unusual in any way. The skin along the course of the meridian may >even look different in some cases. > SNIP ... >What sometimes happens when a person practices regular acupressure on >vulnerable areas is that they lose the tendency to some problems. >They gain resistence. I refer to it as " preventive maintenance " . > THANKS !!!!!!! Speaking of preventitive maintenance ... ... my husband (who is usually strong like bear) for the second time this winter is coming down with a cold. I am out of the TCM cold tablets I had and she won't be open til Tues. Because of my problems with asthma and pneumonia I cannot afford to get a cold ... What meridians or what would I look up to find the points to work with to be sure I do not get the cold he is coming down with. The points I can work to either make my immune system work better OR work the areas which would be affected by a cold. I assume cold enters the body at the back of the head and upper shoulders in back . . . did I get that right? Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 > What meridians or what would I look up to find the points to work > with to be sure I do not get the cold he is coming down with. Go to the acupressure.com website. That's acupressure, not acupuncture. Click on I believe the articles section. There are two sample chapters on there from Michael Gach's book Acupressure's Potent Points. If I'm remembering correctly, one of them tells the points for improving immune system function and the other tells about treating colds. The Chinese believe Wind and Cold enter the pores at Bladder 36, aka " Bearing Support " . This point is located on the back, off the upper tip of the shoulder blade (on the side of the shoulder blade nearest the spine, not the outer tip). " " The muscles in this upper back area tend to get tense just before a cold or flu takes hold. " (Michael Reed Gach, Acupressure's Potent Points, p. 59.) Most cases of the common cold are due to Wind Cold, but Wind Heat also can cause colds. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Something else to watch out for in order to avoid colds is to make sure the air in your house doesn't get too dry. If the air in your house does get too dry and you don't have a humidifier, put a pot of water on the stove and let it boil. Low boil, not a strong rolling boil (unless the air is very, very dry). Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 victoria_dragon wrote: >Something else to watch out for in order to avoid colds is to make >sure the air in your house doesn't get too dry. If the air in your >house does get too dry and you don't have a humidifier, put a pot of >water on the stove and let it boil. Low boil, not a strong rolling >boil (unless the air is very, very dry). > >Victoria I can turn the shower on as well :-) thanks for the tip ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 victoria_dragon wrote: > > What meridians or what would I look up to find the points to work > > with to be sure I do not get the cold he is coming down with. > >Go to the acupressure.com website. That's acupressure, not >acupuncture. > >Click on I believe the articles section. There are two sample >chapters on there from Michael Gach's book Acupressure's Potent >Points. If I'm remembering correctly, one of them tells the points >for improving immune system function and the other tells about >treating colds. http://acupressure.com/ Great - excellent site ! >The Chinese believe Wind and Cold enter the pores at Bladder 36, >aka " Bearing Support " . This point is located on the back, off the >upper tip of the shoulder blade (on the side of the shoulder blade >nearest the spine, not the outer tip). " " The muscles in this upper >back area tend to get tense just before a cold or flu takes hold. " >(Michael Reed Gach, Acupressure's Potent Points, p. 59.) Some of the points on my face were bothering me earlier today .... glad I found some more to rub. That is an awesome site ~ Thanks so much for recommending it. >Most cases of the common cold are due to Wind Cold, but Wind Heat >also can cause colds. Does that include fans from heaters in the winter. Or did you mean windy heat as in the summer like the desert? Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 > >Most cases of the common cold are due to Wind Cold, but Wind Heat > >also can cause colds. > > Does that include fans from heaters in the winter. Or did you > mean windy heat as in the summer like the desert? That most definitely can include houses that get too dry and hot - especially if you're in a draft from the blower. Wind and heat also can team up outside the desert in more humid areas. Like on hot, humid days when the wind blows or a person sits in front of a fan. In that case you're also getting Dampness. In the desert you're getting Dryness in addition to the Heat and Wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I just wanted to report that my stomach pain has seemed to have gotten much better! I have every so slight rib pain but that is better as well. My dry eyes still hurt, but the liver points on my feet are much better. It used to hurt to walk and today when I went skating I didn't notice the points at all. Thanks for all of your input! Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 So is Michael Gach's book a good one for beginners who are interested in learning about meridians and pressure points? Michelle - Cat Chinese Traditional Medicine Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:46 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: rib pain and dry eyes victoria_dragon wrote: > > What meridians or what would I look up to find the points to work > > with to be sure I do not get the cold he is coming down with. > >Go to the acupressure.com website. That's acupressure, not >acupuncture. > >Click on I believe the articles section. There are two sample >chapters on there from Michael Gach's book Acupressure's Potent >Points. If I'm remembering correctly, one of them tells the points >for improving immune system function and the other tells about >treating colds. http://acupressure.com/ Great - excellent site ! >The Chinese believe Wind and Cold enter the pores at Bladder 36, >aka " Bearing Support " . This point is located on the back, off the >upper tip of the shoulder blade (on the side of the shoulder blade >nearest the spine, not the outer tip). " " The muscles in this upper >back area tend to get tense just before a cold or flu takes hold. " >(Michael Reed Gach, Acupressure's Potent Points, p. 59.) Some of the points on my face were bothering me earlier today .... glad I found some more to rub. That is an awesome site ~ Thanks so much for recommending it. >Most cases of the common cold are due to Wind Cold, but Wind Heat >also can cause colds. Does that include fans from heaters in the winter. Or did you mean windy heat as in the summer like the desert? Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 > I just wanted to report that my stomach pain has seemed to have gotten much better! I have every so slight rib pain but that is better as well. This is great news! Thanks for letting us know. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 > So is Michael Gach's book a good one for beginners who are interested in learning about meridians and pressure points? It doesn't go into TCM syndromes, but the author bases recommendations of points to use for toothache, chronic fatigue, colds, etc. on solid TCM information. The Gach book is the best I've found for helping people find points. There is a written description of where the points are located plus drawings of the locations plus photos of people holding the points. Check out the sample chapters of the book in the Articles section on the acupressure.com website. It doesn't have the photos that are in the book, but it does have the descriptions and drawings. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Thank you, Victoria, I did visit that site and am very impressed...it looks like a good one for me. Thanks again for all of the friendly help and advice that you give on this site. You are always supportive. I am so grateful for you. Michelle - victoria_dragon Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, February 09, 2004 8:19 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: rib pain and dry eyes > So is Michael Gach's book a good one for beginners who are interested in learning about meridians and pressure points? It doesn't go into TCM syndromes, but the author bases recommendations of points to use for toothache, chronic fatigue, colds, etc. on solid TCM information. The Gach book is the best I've found for helping people find points. There is a written description of where the points are located plus drawings of the locations plus photos of people holding the points. Check out the sample chapters of the book in the Articles section on the acupressure.com website. It doesn't have the photos that are in the book, but it does have the descriptions and drawings. Victoria Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 michellec wrote: >Thanks, Victoria ....... Thanks again for all of the friendly help and advice that you give on this site. You are always supportive. I am so grateful for you. I'll second that ! Thanks Victoria !! Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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