Hormones

[Guest guest]

You keep mentioning rx in you post. I didn't suggest prescription and

from what I read about the hormonal rx I wouldn't use them. You don't

sound happy about the over the counter stuff but it worked for me.

It is just like anything you buy, its not regulated and you have to be

the detective to see if you are buying a quality product.

 

I spent 15 years of misery before I was helped with the use of the

natural progesterone cream. There are not many doctors out there

wanting to use their brains to help a woman get their hormones balanced.

Many don't believe they are out of balance to begin with. And then there

are tests. The test they tell me are unreliable. I think this only means as

unreliable as the doctors knowledge and as unreliable as the lab that

is doing the lab work. The unreliability follows with the lack of ability to

know how to fix the imbalance.

 

That is why women is such a clean sweep into being prescribed the

nerve medication. It is called Doctors Denial in my opinion.

In my opinon Womens Health Care doesn't actually exist.

 

Liz D.

 

It often takes several rx's for

the correct amount to be balanced.

There is controversy over which tests are the most reliable. I have a

tendency to like the saliva tests better than the blood test. But please get

tested

to know where you stand before screwing with your hormones.

 

You should go to a medical practitioner for the test. Timing in the menses

cycle is also important in doing the test.

 

Many of the estrogen creams on the market are untested and unverified. There

is a massive Yam Scam on the market as many others are jumping on the band

wagon and marketing to women that their cream is the best. Investigate and make

sure your cream can prove how much is in the product and the availability to

the system which is different from how much estrogen is in the cream. What tests

are they doing to make sure it is bioavalable to women?

 

If you are going to a physician make sure they write bio-identical on the rx.

Sunny

 

 

[Guest guest]

SacredQi888 wrote:

>One is playing with fire if they decide on their own that they have an

>estrogen deficiency and start ordering products online or from the health food

store

>to self medicate.

>Playing with your hormones affects many other functions of the endocrine

>system. It is hard enough for a licensed medical practitioner to fine tune

just

>the correct amount of hormone that is needed. It often takes several rx's for

>the correct amount to be balanced.

 

Since the body, I am told by my Ob-Gyn will convert some progesterone

to estrogen, she thought using the progesterone cream was fine.

 

I read all of Dr. Lee's book and he has done the most extensive research

for the betterment of women's health that I have ever see a man do.

Dr. Lee has thoroughly researched the contents and only endorced a few which

were good. The only thing I have ever used is Emeritus progesterone cream,

one of which he recommended.

 

Having all of the classic symptoms of estrogen dominance and after taking the

cream for less than a week I started noticing great reduction in symptoms.

 

It was an M.D. who years ago put me on Premarin which I stopped of my own

accord because I had read enough research to think that I didn't need or want

it. Menopause is not a disease and I am well aware of that.

There is nothing wrong with people eating soy if many countries cultures

have shown that that is helpful for them. But I chose not to eat soy because

my blood tests showed I am allergic to it. I do not use yam cream because the

properties in yam, to my understanding do not readily transmit to a cream form.

 

I have enough sense to decide what is best for my body, but following my own

reactions

and symptoms, since most of the medical practitioners I have been to always seem

to miss part of the picture. They might get part of it but often something is

missing.

 

And, I do not know one woman in real life who acts as idiotic as they are

protrayed on television.

 

>Many times it is not an estrogen deficiency but an over production of

>progesterone that is causing many problems and appearing to be an estrogen

>deficiency.

 

That is not my situation. Taking progesterone cream brought a large amount of

relief.

 

>You should go to a medical practitioner for the test. Timing in the menses

>cycle is also important in doing the test.

 

I don't have a period any more so that it not an issue. I could very

easily go without taking no estrogen at all as women have been doing

that for hundreds of years and surviving menopause. My question

was what is available, and I will go look and see what I think of it. :-)

 

>If you were to pay attention to our media American Women are a walking

>deficiency of Estroven, Prozac and Phosomax.

 

I pay plenty of attention, and those ads have nothing whatsoever to do

with how I make decisions for my body. I was eating organic foods and

doing yoga before it was fashionable in this country when I was 14 y.o., and I

hope to continue

to make my health deicsions based upon what my own good judgment

tells me by weighing all of the data available to me.

 

>The truth is we are not. We are being

>brainwashed into believing we are supposed to have all of these symptoms and

>that we need to drug ourselves.

 

Maybe you are being brainwashed.

 

>Many of the estrogen creams on the market are untested and unverified.

 

Dr. Lee spend decades doing research on this, and so far his research seems

to be the most thorough. If you can point specifically to some data which

is more conclusive than his, please do so.

 

>There is a massive Yam Scam on the market as many others are jumping on the

band

>wagon and marketing to women that their cream is the best. Investigate and make

>sure your cream can prove how much is in the product and the availability to

>the system which is different from how much estrogen is in the cream. What

tests

>are they doing to make sure it is bioavalable to women?

 

See you have not done your own research, as if you had read Dr. Lee's books you

would not have said this.

 

>If you are going to a physician make sure they write bio-identical on the rx.

 

My M.D. internist is clueless, and the Naturopath I went to said I needed more

magnesium and he gave me some, plus other supplements (not herbs) -- I got

terrible

diahreah from all of them and couldn't take any. That was $170 plus $100 in

supplements which was a total waste.

 

I have always gotten the most help possible from Chinese women doing

acupuncture.

 

I think there are a lot of people pretending to be healers who are not

qualified!!!

 

We as women are wise to do as much of our own research as we can.

 

That is one of the reasons this list is so great, we get lots of infomation

from many different people with many different perspectives.

 

Cheers, Cat

 

^. .^ ~

 

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Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced

by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which

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[Guest guest]

good point. in germany, doctors take blood tests to determine a woman's natural

hormone levels before prescribing contraceptive pills. i have yet to see that

done here.

 

SacredQi888 wrote:In a message dated 2/2/04 11:39:43 AM Eastern Standard

Time,

Rabbitbrain writes:

 

>

>

> What sort of cream is available with estrogen ... is that over the counter

> as in as a health food store.

> Thanks - Cat

>

 

One is playing with fire if they decide on their own that they have an

estrogen deficiency and start ordering products online or from the health food

store

to self medicate.

Playing with your hormones affects many other functions of the endocrine

system. It is hard enough for a licensed medical practitioner to fine tune just

the correct amount of hormone that is needed. It often takes several rx's for

the correct amount to be balanced.

 

Many times it is not an estrogen deficiency but an over production of

progesterone that is causing many problems and appearing to be an estrogen

deficiency.

There is controversy over which tests are the most reliable. I have a

tendency to like the saliva tests better than the blood test. But please get

tested

to know where you stand before screwing with your hormones.

 

You should go to a medical practitioner for the test. Timing in the menses

cycle is also important in doing the test.

 

Adrenal exhaustion, thyroid problems and many other conditions need to be

considered.

If you were to pay attention to our media American Women are a walking

deficiency of Estroven, Prozac and Phosomax. The truth is we are not. We are

being

brainwashed into believing we are supposed to have all of these symptoms and

that we need to drug ourselves.

 

Prozac is now being marketed to us a Serafem because women can't cope with

the daily challenges. The TV commercial depicted a woman struggling with a

grocery cart and snapping at her loved ones. (we are supposed to be meek and

demure

of course, even if our lifestyle has many frustrations we are not supposed to

act frustrated or snappish. It must be a disease our women need to be

controlled haha.)

 

Truth is Prozac was losing its patent so they invented a new disease called

premenstrual dysphoric disorder PMDD and went straight to the women to make

their doctors rx the pretty lavender and pink capsule to help them calm down) It

is not a safe drug and is causing GYN's to rx powerful antidepressants to

people who may or may not be depressed or instead of getting them counseling

because of consumer demand.

 

Of course the pharmaceutical company gets to generate millions of dollars in

profit from the new named Sarafem since the generic prozac can be obtained now

for pennies. Also the stigma has been reduced. And of course it is pretty

lavender and pink capsules for women.

 

Many of the estrogen creams on the market are untested and unverified. There

is a massive Yam Scam on the market as many others are jumping on the band

wagon and marketing to women that their cream is the best. Investigate and make

sure your cream can prove how much is in the product and the availability to

the system which is different from how much estrogen is in the cream. What tests

are they doing to make sure it is bioavalable to women?

 

If you are going to a physician make sure they write bio-identical on the rx.

Bio-Identical means it has to carry the same molecule that humans make in the

product. Premarin is " Natural " carcinogen to humans. Natural to a pregnant

mare which is strapped in a stall unable to walk or move for 7 months of her

pregnancy so that her urine can be collected 24 hours a day to make the

pre-mare-urine and women can get their hormones. When the horses are of no use

for

foaling they are sold for meat or just slaughtered unless someone rescues them.

 

There are no guidelines set up in the USA to make companies conform to a

standard for natural products. It can contain lavender oil and many other

carcinogenic chemicals but the claim can be made it has natural ingredients

without

reproach from a govt. institution.

 

Just my 2 cents worth

 

Sunny

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I was addressing the email list at large and not an individual. If I had

meant to address an individual I would have named them. I am glad you do the

research. From the question asked about the availability of estrogen creams on

the

market I felt like suggesting to the group to do their own research to find

what is right for them. I was also giving areas for them to do the research if

they are interested.

 

Someone on the list hearing that someone else needs estrogen might decide

without researching anything that they need estrogen also when it might not be

their problem.

 

I meant it not to anyone in particular but to help encourage people to be

smart before they mess with the hormones that will affect the entire endocrine

system and might not easily go back to where they started when they stop the

phytoestrogens and progesterone.

I am sorry you took it as a personal attack it was not meant to be that way.

 

I have personal friends who have really messed themselves up self medicating

hormones because they saw it on TV and felt they needed it. The same with the

Prozac er uh Sarafem. My friend committed suicide 4 weeks after being on it. I

knew her 37 years and she had never been suicidal before. She also did not

show the classic depression symptoms but did show the irritability and

impatience. She told the doctor she wanted it and he gave her the script.

 

Buyers beware. Many doctors are not given the full internal reports of the

dangers of meds but their pharmaceutical reps which is the number one place MD's

get their info about the hundreds of new pharmaceuticals that hit the market

every year.

 

You will probably hear about more side effects that are just now being

exposed within the next few months especially about the dangers of giving Prozac

and

antidepressants to children.

 

Sincerely,

Sunny

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Liz wrote:

>I spent 15 years of misery before I was helped with the use of the

>natural progesterone cream.

 

Of all of the things I have used for various reasons, using the progesterone

brought the most profoundly noticeably results. I slept better, I felt

calmer, whereas before I was easily started ... all of the symptoms which

started about 3 years ago, I am now 54, ....

 

the thing is now I sometimes forget to use it. After severals days to a

week, I can tell.

 

>There are not many doctors out there

>wanting to use their brains to help a woman get their hormones balanced.

>Many don't believe they are out of balance to begin with. And then there

>are tests. The test they tell me are unreliable.

 

I am wondering whether that is because a woman's progesterone changes

daily from hour to hour. That is actually the reason I never got it

tested. Too expensive for the tests for something that hit and miss.

 

The saliva tests can be ordered online and sent to a lab. But I am

not sure whether doing it exactly the same time every day would work

as the levels can then also fluctuate from day to day.

 

The noticeable good results were enough for me. I asked my ob-gyn who

is pretty up on stuff for an M.D. about it and she said she didn't worry

about overdosing with the progesterone.

 

But when I was on the depo provera shot for many years, some women

could not tolerate it, and I did really well on it. I think every woman's

body is different and women can tell how they feel, even if some

doctors don't listen. I have been laughed out of many doctor's offices

for talking about acupuncture, but when they listen with interest, then

they have a possibility of a seond appointment. ;-)

 

 

>That is why women is such a clean sweep into being prescribed the

>nerve medication. It is called Doctors Denial in my opinion.

>In my opinon Womens Health Care doesn't actually exist.

 

I think some american medical doctors, from my experience, feel helpless

to know what to do except for crisis medicine, which is what they are

limited in my mind. The preventative and maintenance field requires an

entirely

different perspective.

 

I heard the rumor that in China doctors used to be paid for keeping people well

and if they got sick, they were not paid. I do not know whether that is true

or not, but I really like that idea much better than what happens here.

 

Cheers, Cat

 

^. .^ ~

 

" There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the

Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced

by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which

states that this has already happened. " - Douglas Adams

[Guest guest]

> You will probably hear about more side effects that are just now

being

> exposed within the next few months especially about the dangers of

giving Prozac and

> antidepressants to children.

 

The company is trying to cover up its own study of giving Prozac to

children.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Dear Victoria,

 

 

Which page " should " be book marked?

 

Marco

 

 

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" victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon

<Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Monday, February 02, 2004 6:38 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Hormones

 

 

> > One is playing with fire if they decide on their own that they have

> an

> > estrogen deficiency and start ordering products online or from the

> health food store

> > to self medicate.

> > Playing with your hormones affects many other functions of the

> endocrine

> > system. It is hard enough for a licensed medical practitioner to

> fine tune just

> > the correct amount of hormone that is needed. It often takes

> several rx's for

> > the correct amount to be balanced.

>

> Thanks for the warning and list of safety concerns when using herbal

> products and supplements to consider when hormone imbalance is

> suspected. This page should be bookmarked by anyone considering or

> who might consider balancing hormones.

>

> And as you pointed out, not every woman pass a certain age is going

> to need hormone balancing and replacement.

>

> Victoria

>

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[Guest guest]

I bookmarked for myself the post that gives the recommended tests for

symptoms suggestive of hormonal imbalance.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Hi, I just wanted to share about replacing/balancing hormones. HRT is out of

course, but many also get into trouble with pharmaceutical compounding hormones.

I gained 30 lbs in 6 months before I figured it out. About 30% of women gain

weight on this type of replacement. And my hormones were still a mess!

What I eventually found was homeopathic hormone replacement that only

balances. For instance if the estrogen is too high it brings it down; too low

it brings it up. Homeopathics balance. And the best part of this replacement

through www.wellnesscenter.net is that it is a saliva hormone test, so it only

measures usable hormones not ones bound usually tested in the blood that are no

longer of service to us. The homeopathic liposome creams from wellness center

also include the whole endocrine system, not just one hormone. For instance the

progesterone homeopathic cream includes other aspects of the endocrine system

which are so very vital in the production of hormones as well. Need to work

with the whole system.

I am a Naturopath and after many years of trying many different types of hormone

applications, I settled on this one and it is truly amazing. Anyway, check out

the site and rest easy. Dr. Dale, who developed the test and formulars has a

list of practitioners to contact.

The test measures many things: 2 prog., 3 est., testosterone, SigA, dhea, 4 - 5

cortisols (adrenals), Free T3 & Free T4, gluten, glucose and a few others. Most

comprehensive test I have found. Check it out.

Nancy