Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 So, if a person is pretty damp...and overly yin.....would menopause be a helpful thing? Michelle - Al Stone Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:01 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Introduction - Cat On Jan 6, 2004, at 4:25 PM, Cat wrote: > Is it the kidneys which get hit the worst during menopause? Yes, but remember that TCM (Traditional ) gives the Kidneys a few functions that are unique and beyond the western assumptions regarding the Kidneys. In short, the Kidneys are the source of Yin and Yang in TCM. Yang being something along the lines of metabolic heat, while Yin includes body fluids, hormones, and the structure of the body, especially the bones and central nervous system. Menopause is a declining period for the Yin. When the fluids of a radiator are low, the engine overheats. This is often the case during menopause too, the Yin and body fluids decline and cause the Yang to overheat. In time, the Yang will deal with it and decline a bit to bring the body back into balance. Not all menopausal women suffer from a deficiency of Yin, there are some other situations that can arise, but as a general rule, what I've described can explain a lot. > Or are there other organs which are upset as well? Sure. When the Yin becomes deficient, some of the other organs that rely on Yin can become dry. The Heart for instance stores the Shen or spirit and is implicated in problems that include anxiety attacks, irritability and insomnia. When the Kidney Yin can't keep that Heart cooled off, you get kind of overheated emotionally. The Kidney Yin also nourishes and moistens the Lungs. However, dry Lungs isn't entirely common in menopause, to my knowledge. Liver Yin can become dry too. This usually gives rise to inflexibility of the tendons or vision/eye problems. Oh, that Kidney Yin deficiency can also give rise to some of its own unique symptoms such as low back pain, dry mouth and throat at night, hot flashes, and dryness of the formally moist " nether regions " of your body. Liu Wei Di Huang Wan is a common herbal formula for this. If there are also hot flashes and or night sweats, try a variation of this which is called Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan. If you're having vision problems too, try Ming Mu Di Huang Wan. As for exercises to keep you cool, focusing on the Kidneys in your search is probably a good idea. Can't give you any ideas off hand, but that's the organ system you'll want to work with. As for your muscle aches, hopefully a move to AZ will help, if not, see an acupuncturist in the area, I'm sure that they'll be able to help you. Many times, muscle aches are due to an invasion of wind-damp-cold energy. AZ is not damp or cold, so that should help right there. Other times, the aches and pains are more Qi stagnation which is more stress-induced, in which case, yoga and/or any meditative activity should be of great benefit. Hope that helps. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Thank you; I feel like I'm just getting the tip of the iceberg, but every little bit helps. Michelle - Al Stone Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:41 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Introduction - Cat On Jan 6, 2004, at 6:21 AM, michellec wrote: > So, if a person is pretty damp...and overly yin.....would menopause be > a helpful thing? Well, menopause is helpful for everybody in one sense, in the sense that the less time that there is estrogen floating around the body, the less likely the creation of cancers of the female sex organs and breasts. But to answer your question directly, it may be that one who is damp inside may have less of a problem with their menopause than someone who is dry to begin with. On the other hand, what may end up happening is instead of one problem, these people will have two (damp AND Yin deficiency). Remember that dampness is pathological water (i.e. bad water) while Yin is physiological water (good water). Interestingly, there are people who are chronically damp and yet suffer from a Yin deficiency. Many of them are called diabetics. This is not to say that menopause is a cause of diabetes. Menopause is a transition, diabetes is a chronic problem. -al. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 and you. - Cat Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:51 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Introduction - Cat michellec wrote: >Thank you; I feel like I'm just getting the tip of the iceberg, but every little bit helps. >Michelle Pleasure to meet you as well. :-) ^. .^ ~ Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hi to all the listers ~ I am new and have lurked a short while. I am not a practitioner but have been doing things like Yoga since I was 14 and eating right and all that. Currently have been getting acupuncture as I suddenly seem to have a variety of ailments during the last several years. One thing and then another. Now it appears that everything seems to be weakened by menopause... which I call Mini Paws ;-) I am 54.5 years old. I have used acupuncture for quite a few decades on and off for injuries, etc., but am wondering about Qi Gong. My husband and I recently retired from coaching figure skating so I was never weak during my life except until recently with the joint pain which I can only attribute to MiniPaws. Until I had had about 6 weeks of acupuncture 2ce a week, I was having a terrible time with insomnia, nausea, and of late hot flashes. The herbs she gave me helped with the hot flashes after about 10 days, but the joint pain is really something else. I had back surgery about 13 years ago, and didn't do much Yoga since then, mostly skating, running and some stretching. This past month I have gone back to doing it to see whether it will stimulate my Chi to become more balanced and to relieve some of my other symptoms. I have had pretty complete physical, all blood tests, abdonimal ultra sound, organ CT scan, etc. The doctors don't seem to be able to find anything. I live in a damp cold climate and am allergic to dust, dust mites (we have no carpeting or curtains or matresses), and very much to molds. There seems to be mold in our building so I have two large jumbo hepa air purifiers running and I put lime juice on any floor joints which I suspect of dry rot/mold damage which seems to have helped. We are planning to move to AZ during this coming year as soon as we can afford it. The symptoms all seemed to have begun since we moved to this building about 5 years ago. I then went from mild allergies to severe asthma and several inhalers, I managed to get myself off of all medication beginning in June and drink no coffee, no alcohol, no flours, of course no processed foods of any kind. I eat mostly home made stews and soups made from organic stuff to help my digestive system heal. If anyone on the list has experienced menopause and treated it with Yoga, QiGong, or anything else, I would be very appreciative of your sharing your experiences. Is it the kidneys which get hit the worst during menopause? Or are there other organs which are upset as well? I had to go through a long period of healing my stomach (herbs and acupuncture) and liver (Milk Thistle and acupuncture) before I had enough energy to leave my apartment for anything more than my treatments. Thanks ~ Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 On Jan 6, 2004, at 4:25 PM, Cat wrote: > Is it the kidneys which get hit the worst during menopause? Yes, but remember that TCM (Traditional ) gives the Kidneys a few functions that are unique and beyond the western assumptions regarding the Kidneys. In short, the Kidneys are the source of Yin and Yang in TCM. Yang being something along the lines of metabolic heat, while Yin includes body fluids, hormones, and the structure of the body, especially the bones and central nervous system. Menopause is a declining period for the Yin. When the fluids of a radiator are low, the engine overheats. This is often the case during menopause too, the Yin and body fluids decline and cause the Yang to overheat. In time, the Yang will deal with it and decline a bit to bring the body back into balance. Not all menopausal women suffer from a deficiency of Yin, there are some other situations that can arise, but as a general rule, what I've described can explain a lot. > Or are there other organs which are upset as well? Sure. When the Yin becomes deficient, some of the other organs that rely on Yin can become dry. The Heart for instance stores the Shen or spirit and is implicated in problems that include anxiety attacks, irritability and insomnia. When the Kidney Yin can't keep that Heart cooled off, you get kind of overheated emotionally. The Kidney Yin also nourishes and moistens the Lungs. However, dry Lungs isn't entirely common in menopause, to my knowledge. Liver Yin can become dry too. This usually gives rise to inflexibility of the tendons or vision/eye problems. Oh, that Kidney Yin deficiency can also give rise to some of its own unique symptoms such as low back pain, dry mouth and throat at night, hot flashes, and dryness of the formally moist " nether regions " of your body. Liu Wei Di Huang Wan is a common herbal formula for this. If there are also hot flashes and or night sweats, try a variation of this which is called Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan. If you're having vision problems too, try Ming Mu Di Huang Wan. As for exercises to keep you cool, focusing on the Kidneys in your search is probably a good idea. Can't give you any ideas off hand, but that's the organ system you'll want to work with. As for your muscle aches, hopefully a move to AZ will help, if not, see an acupuncturist in the area, I'm sure that they'll be able to help you. Many times, muscle aches are due to an invasion of wind-damp-cold energy. AZ is not damp or cold, so that should help right there. Other times, the aches and pains are more Qi stagnation which is more stress-induced, in which case, yoga and/or any meditative activity should be of great benefit. Hope that helps. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Al Stone wrote: >On Jan 6, 2004, at 4:25 PM, Cat wrote: Hi Al - Thanks very much for your long and detailed reply! :-) > > Is it the kidneys which get hit the worst during menopause? > >Yes, but remember that TCM (Traditional ) gives the >Kidneys a few functions that are unique and beyond the western >assumptions regarding the Kidneys. > >In short, the Kidneys are the source of Yin and Yang in TCM. Yang being >something along the lines of metabolic heat, while Yin includes body >fluids, hormones, and the structure of the body, especially the bones >and central nervous system. I have sort of a Yang body type anyways and yes heat is increasing now. My liver and stomach were throbbing for months before the acupuncture helped release the heat, I guess is how one would term it. Years ago I heard of the Triple Heater in Chinese medicine? Is this affected as well? If the triple heater is supposed to regular heat/cold that must be off as well, eh? >Menopause is a declining period for the Yin. When the fluids of a >radiator are low, the engine overheats. This is often the case during >menopause too, the Yin and body fluids decline and cause the Yang to >overheat. In time, the Yang will deal with it and decline a bit to >bring the body back into balance. So I should be drinking lots of water? Maybe I should drink more. But I don't want to over stress my kidneys either. So hard to decide. I always have consumed water throughout the day because I have been an athlete and assumed that dehydration was the leading cause of most muscle injuries, etc. I went to a naturopath during the Fall and told him I drank between 2-3 liters of water a day (I presently weigh about 116 lbs) and he said that that much was only to be drank on hikes in the desert. He said to drink no more than 1 liter a day. That isn't even the minimum 8 glasses recommended usually. The only thing I have for a treat for variety is white tea - very weak - 1 C twice a day sipped over an hour. Occasionally a cup of chamomille at night. >Not all menopausal women suffer from a deficiency of Yin, there are >some other situations that can arise, but as a general rule, what I've >described can explain a lot. > > > Or are there other organs which are upset as well? > >Sure. When the Yin becomes deficient, some of the other organs that >rely on Yin can become dry. The Heart for instance stores the Shen or >spirit and is implicated in problems that include anxiety attacks, >irritability and insomnia. Talk about insomnia -- I have been rubbing my feet and having my husband put a large massager on my back before bedtime to see whether it will help me sleep. I have been guessing at the areas to vibrate, usually trying to hit the same ones the acupuncturist hit. I was talking calcium and melatonin before bed and my acupuncturist was worried that it was hurting my stomach eating those before bed, so I cut that back. Had to go back to the melatonin or I couldn't sleep at all. It would be 6 or 7 a.m. and I hadn't slept at all. I got unbelievable stressed from being wired from having little sleep, as I require 8-9 hours normally. >When the Kidney Yin can't keep that Heart >cooled off, you get kind of overheated emotionally. That makes sense. Thanks >The Kidney Yin also nourishes and moistens the Lungs. However, dry >Lungs isn't entirely common in menopause, to my knowledge. Since moving to this area my lungs have been twitchy. I went to AZ for 10 days this summer, which might not seem like much time, but I have been able to stay off of the inhalers since that time as I got a break from here. >Liver Yin can become dry too. This usually gives rise to inflexibility >of the tendons or vision/eye problems. Actually was eyes were getting worse until the acupuncture. I guess I am very lucky to have a good acupuncturist. >Oh, that Kidney Yin deficiency can also give rise to some of its own >unique symptoms such as low back pain, dry mouth and throat at night, >hot flashes, and dryness of the formally moist " nether regions " of >your body. My skin feels a lot dryer :-( I had back surgery L-5, S-1 about 13 years ago, but surprisingly it is not the very low back that hurts, but more the area at my waist and just above that feels extremely tender and touchy now. >Liu Wei Di Huang Wan is a common herbal formula for this. If there are >also hot flashes and or night sweats, try a variation of this which is >called Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan. If you're having vision problems too, try >Ming Mu Di Huang Wan. I can look up what is on the bottle I am taking ... she told me to stick with one type at a time. First I started with stomach. Then I got a cold which I was terrified would turn into bronchitis as it has for years. She gave me cold combination and the cold went away in about 4 days. Totally new experience. Now I am on MiniPaws combination. I do take astrangulus along with these as my hair has been falling out and I took it before she gave me the cold herbs to fight infection. At least my hair is not getting thinner now. >As for exercises to keep you cool, focusing on the Kidneys in your >search is probably a good idea. Can't give you any ideas off hand, but >that's the organ system you'll want to work with. I have a book called Acu-Yoga which gives certain exercises for various meridians. I will look at that again and be sure I do those >As for your muscle aches, hopefully a move to AZ will help, if not, see >an acupuncturist in the area, I'm sure that they'll be able to help >you. It was amazing how much better I got there in just short of two weeks. When I came home I looked better. When I got up the next morning my husband looked at me in shock and said " OMG you have aged 10 years overnight. " It was then he finally realized how bad this location is for me. >Many times, muscle aches are due to an invasion of wind-damp-cold >energy. It is possible that muscle aches and swelling of hands and feet (but not the ankles, isn't that odd) is an allergic reaction? >AZ is not damp or cold, so that should help right there. Other >times, the aches and pains are more Qi stagnation which is more >stress-induced, we have had way too much stress in our lives since we moved to this building. >in which case, yoga and/or any meditative activity >should be of great benefit. Yes, Al, it is very helpful. It will help me better focus some of my self healing ~ very much appreciate the time you took to write so much for me. Thanks ! Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Cat: I moved from smoggy LA to the Mojave Desert (which extends to AZ) and my asthma cleared muchly. BTW, have a kitten named " Yunqi " (Goodluck). Jack Since moving to this area my lungs have been twitchy. I went to AZ for 10 days this summer, which might not seem like much time, but I have been able to stay off of the inhalers since that time as I got a break from here. ===== For today only, anger not, worry not. Be grateful and humble. Be kind to all. Be mindful and live these. Place your hands on self or other and let go. Let go of outcome, of worry, of conditionings, of need, and simply be. The rest takes care of itself. www.geocities.com/mojavecowboy/herbs.htm Hotjobs: Enter the " Signing Bonus " Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Jacques Phoenix wrote: >Cat: > >I moved from smoggy LA to the Mojave Desert (which >extends to AZ) and my asthma cleared muchly. > >BTW, have a kitten named " Yunqi " (Goodluck). Hi Jack ! the Mojave Desert sounds like paradise with no humidity!! How do you pronouce the name Yunqi -- that is awsome ! What does your new kitty look like? Can you post a pic for us? How wonderful ... may your new companion brings you many years of joy !!!! thanks - Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 On Jan 6, 2004, at 6:21 AM, michellec wrote: > So, if a person is pretty damp...and overly yin.....would menopause be > a helpful thing? Well, menopause is helpful for everybody in one sense, in the sense that the less time that there is estrogen floating around the body, the less likely the creation of cancers of the female sex organs and breasts. But to answer your question directly, it may be that one who is damp inside may have less of a problem with their menopause than someone who is dry to begin with. On the other hand, what may end up happening is instead of one problem, these people will have two (damp AND Yin deficiency). Remember that dampness is pathological water (i.e. bad water) while Yin is physiological water (good water). Interestingly, there are people who are chronically damp and yet suffer from a Yin deficiency. Many of them are called diabetics. This is not to say that menopause is a cause of diabetes. Menopause is a transition, diabetes is a chronic problem. -al. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 michellec wrote: >Thank you; I feel like I'm just getting the tip of the iceberg, but every little bit helps. >Michelle Pleasure to meet you as well. :-) ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hi Cat, Welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine. You didn't say what part of AZ you're interested in. Because of the difference in altitude throughout the state, it's possible to ride from one season into another at some points during the year. Flagstaff has wonderful summers because it's at 7,000 feet above sea level. Beautiful green pine trees. It runs a lot cooler than most of the rest of the state. But because of that altitude which gives such magnificent summers, it can snow as early as September and as late as May. My husband and I was living in Flag one September when it snowed. The ride down the interstate to Phoenix was like riding from winter back into fall and then into summer. While people in Flag were shoveling snow, people in Phoenix were still swimming in their pools. Some of the areas around Phoenix can hit about 120 degrees F or even higher during the summer. Like Luke Air Force Base. Pnoenix is at about 800 feet above sea level. The winters are mild there. Though it can snow in Phoenix. Only happens about every 40 some years, but it can snow there. The Yuma area runs even hotter than Phoenix because it's at a lower altitude than Phoenix. There are a lot of palm trees in the Phoenix area. The southeast corner of the state - the Sierra Vista area (4000+) and Bisbee (higher) don't get as hot as Phoenix in the summer but doesn't get as cold as Flag in the winter. It usually snows a little each winter, but palm trees grow there. There are 3 deserts in AZ, and each have different flora and fauna. The Mohave in the west is one. There are a lot of Josuha trees. The Sonoran Desert is in the south central part of the state (Phoenix and Tucson). BTW, the Sonoran Desert is the only place where those cactii with arms will grow. Sierra Vista is in I believe the Chihuahuan Desert. The Chihuahuan is wetter and has more vegetation than the other two. AZ is great for alternative medicine. It's good for arthritis, but it's not always good for allergies. It can get too dry in AZ, and there can be a lot of wind in the state, especially from Feb into early June. When wind and extreme dryness mix, people who have never had allergies before can develop them. Also, unfortunately, a lot of people brought with them the very things that many people are allergic to in an attempt to make the desert bloom. Tucson has outlawed the planting of any more mulberry trees, Russian olive trees, and bermuda grass. Fungus can be a problem in the Phoenix area. There is a type of fungus that grows in that area that causes Valley Fever. All the construction in the Phoenix area has caused a lot of the fungus to be kicked up. One does need to be careful about getting too Dry in AZ after so many years. I started out with just Damp problems but developed Dry problems over the years. If you continue to drink enough water and stay inside with a humidifier when it gets too dry, you whould be ok. The nature of my primary TCM problem (Kidney Yang Deficiency) is that I wasn't feeling thirsty when I should have and was not drinking enough water. You'll need to continue to address the underlying reasons for the allergy problems (usually a weak Spleen and/or Kidney Deficiency), or you'll just end up developing allergies to things in your new environment. Moving to AZ didn't do a thing for my allergies (at least not after the first year or so), but the alternative medicine, especially TCM, I discovered in AZ did. As you probably already know, if you're going to drink a lot of water, you need to be sure to eat something too. Otherwise the electrolytes in the blood can become too dilute and create some serious problems. Ever so often you're hear about someone getting the " bright " idea that in order to lose weight, they're going hiking in the Grand Canyon or desert and carry plenty of water but nothing to eat. They end up in serious shape and having to be air-vacced out. Never camp in a wash. A wall of water can come flooding down washes. It may not be raining where you're at, but it can be raining miles away, and water comes roaring down those washes. It's possible to be in a rainstorm and not get a drop on you because it's so dry the raindrops evaporate before they reach the ground. The monsoon runs from as early as late June on into hopefully September. Because of the dryness in most of the state, most people use evaporative coolers (aka swamp coolers) that add moisture to the air in order to cool. These can cause you problems if you have Damp problems. The earliest posts in the message base are the most basic and will walk those new to TCM through the basics. You might want to search for Yin. Also for menopause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 I am not a practitioner but have had lots of experience with acupuncture, and sometimes some very good results. You need to ask your practioner what the diagnosis is: is it just damp or do you have some sort of other condition? For example, the spleen qi, if it is deficient (maybe dampness can also do this, I don't know) , cannot handle the lung and stomach qi properly and you may have lots of stomach and lung problems. (It's supposed to keep them moving in the proper direction). The spleen qi could be affected from the liver, the liver from the kidney, etc, etc. so you need to get the exact diagnosis from your practioner. I am trying to use TCM nutrition to my health problems, as I find that the healthy eating habits I thought I had were just making my problems worse - raw fruits and vegetables are a no-no for me but may be great for someone else. I am still experimenting so I don't want to give anybody any advice that may make things worse for them, but I suggest you take your practioner's diagnosis (which may change from time to time) and one of the books suggested on this site, and see what happens. Cat <iceisit wrote: Hi to all the listers ~ I am new and have lurked a short while. I am not a practitioner but have been doing things like Yoga since I was 14 and eating right and all that. Currently have been getting acupuncture as I suddenly seem to have a variety of ailments during the last several years. One thing and then another. Now it appears that everything seems to be weakened by menopause... which I call Mini Paws ;-) I am 54.5 years old. I have used acupuncture for quite a few decades on and off for injuries, etc., but am wondering about Qi Gong. My husband and I recently retired from coaching figure skating so I was never weak during my life except until recently with the joint pain which I can only attribute to MiniPaws. Until I had had about 6 weeks of acupuncture 2ce a week, I was having a terrible time with insomnia, nausea, and of late hot flashes. The herbs she gave me helped with the hot flashes after about 10 days, but the joint pain is really something else. I had back surgery about 13 years ago, and didn't do much Yoga since then, mostly skating, running and some stretching. This past month I have gone back to doing it to see whether it will stimulate my Chi to become more balanced and to relieve some of my other symptoms. I have had pretty complete physical, all blood tests, abdonimal ultra sound, organ CT scan, etc. The doctors don't seem to be able to find anything. I live in a damp cold climate and am allergic to dust, dust mites (we have no carpeting or curtains or matresses), and very much to molds. There seems to be mold in our building so I have two large jumbo hepa air purifiers running and I put lime juice on any floor joints which I suspect of dry rot/mold damage which seems to have helped. We are planning to move to AZ during this coming year as soon as we can afford it. The symptoms all seemed to have begun since we moved to this building about 5 years ago. I then went from mild allergies to severe asthma and several inhalers, I managed to get myself off of all medication beginning in June and drink no coffee, no alcohol, no flours, of course no processed foods of any kind. I eat mostly home made stews and soups made from organic stuff to help my digestive system heal. If anyone on the list has experienced menopause and treated it with Yoga, QiGong, or anything else, I would be very appreciative of your sharing your experiences. Is it the kidneys which get hit the worst during menopause? Or are there other organs which are upset as well? I had to go through a long period of healing my stomach (herbs and acupuncture) and liver (Milk Thistle and acupuncture) before I had enough energy to leave my apartment for anything more than my treatments. Thanks ~ Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 victoria_dragon wrote: >Welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine. Thank you ! >You didn't say what part of AZ you're interested in. Flagstaff ! >Because of the >difference in altitude throughout the state, it's possible to ride >from one season into another at some points during the year. >Flagstaff has wonderful summers because it's at 7,000 feet above sea >level. Beautiful green pine trees. It runs a lot cooler than most of >the rest of the state. But because of that altitude which gives such >magnificent summers, it can snow as early as September and as late as >May. My husband and I was living in Flag one September when it >snowed. The ride down the interstate to Phoenix was like riding from >winter back into fall and then into summer. Sounds wonderful ! >While people in Flag were shoveling snow, people in Phoenix were still swimming in their >pools. > >Some of the areas around Phoenix can hit about 120 degrees F or even >higher during the summer. It was 115 in Phoenix this summer where I rented the car I drove to Flag. >Like Luke Air Force Base. Pnoenix is at >about 800 feet above sea level. The winters are mild there. Though >it can snow in Phoenix. Only happens about every 40 some years, but >it can snow there. The Yuma area runs even hotter than Phoenix >because it's at a lower altitude than Phoenix. There are a lot of >palm trees in the Phoenix area. > >The southeast corner of the state - the Sierra Vista area (4000+) and >Bisbee (higher) don't get as hot as Phoenix in the summer but doesn't >get as cold as Flag in the winter. It usually snows a little each >winter, but palm trees grow there. Interesting. >There are 3 deserts in AZ, and each have different flora and fauna. >The Mohave in the west is one. There are a lot of Josuha trees. The >Sonoran Desert is in the south central part of the state (Phoenix and >Tucson). BTW, the Sonoran Desert is the only place where those >cactii with arms will grow. Thanks for sharing those interesting details. The White Mountain area looks very interesting from what I have seen in pictures, didn't have time to get there this summer. Spent too much time horseback riding when I was there. Sedona was awesome. >Sierra Vista is in I believe the >Chihuahuan Desert. The Chihuahuan is wetter and has more vegetation >than the other two. Wet is out for me for a while, until I dry out some ;-) >AZ is great for alternative medicine. It's good for arthritis, but >it's not always good for allergies. It can get too dry in AZ, and >there can be a lot of wind in the state, especially from Feb into >early June. When wind and extreme dryness mix, people who have never >had allergies before can develop them. Also, unfortunately, a lot of >people brought with them the very things that many people are >allergic to in an attempt to make the desert bloom. Tucson has >outlawed the planting of any more mulberry trees, Russian olive >trees, and bermuda grass. I am allergic to Cottonwood, Spring grasses, Mold big time! a number of other things. Flagstaff was mostly sand and Ponderosa pines--pines are great for me. >Fungus can be a problem in the Phoenix area. I had a terrible reaction in the Phoenix area and could never live there. >There is a type of fungus that grows in that area that causes Valley Fever. All the >construction in the Phoenix area has caused a lot of the fungus to be >kicked up. > >One does need to be careful about getting too Dry in AZ after so many >years. I started out with just Damp problems but developed Dry >problems over the years. If you continue to drink enough water and >stay inside with a humidifier when it gets too dry, you whould be >ok. I have always drank a lot of water and enjoy doing so. >The nature of my primary TCM problem (Kidney Yang Deficiency) is >that I wasn't feeling thirsty when I should have and was not drinking >enough water. > >You'll need to continue to address the underlying reasons for the >allergy problems (usually a weak Spleen and/or Kidney Deficiency), or >you'll just end up developing allergies to things in your new >environment. My acupuncturist also added that if people have trouble with their stomach they don't digest things correctly and then have allergic reactions as well. >Moving to AZ didn't do a thing for my allergies (at >least not after the first year or so), but the alternative medicine, >especially TCM, I discovered in AZ did. > >As you probably already know, if you're going to drink a lot of >water, you need to be sure to eat something too. Otherwise the >electrolytes in the blood can become too dilute and create some >serious problems. I try to eat every two hours so that shouldn't be a problem. Thanks :-) >Ever so often you're hear about someone getting >the " bright " idea that in order to lose weight, they're going hiking >in the Grand Canyon or desert and carry plenty of water but nothing >to eat. They end up in serious shape and having to be air-vacced out. I have been pretty athletic all of my life and the best time to replenish muscle glycogen is eating within 70 minutes of exercise, so I always make sure to eat right. Good point. >Never camp in a wash. I didn't know that growing up in Minnesota. I mentioned what you said to my husband who has camped all over the country and he said that one cannot do that anywhere in the West really. Thanks for telling me. >A wall of water can come flooding down >washes. It may not be raining where you're at, but it can be raining >miles away, and water comes roaring down those washes. > >It's possible to be in a rainstorm and not get a drop on you because >it's so dry the raindrops evaporate before they reach the ground. >The monsoon runs from as early as late June on into hopefully >September. I was there during " monsoon " where it rained a tiny bit almost every day for a short time. The wind was blowing from a different direction as well they told me. >Because of the dryness in most of the state, most people use >evaporative coolers (aka swamp coolers) that add moisture to the air >in order to cool. These can cause you problems if you have Damp >problems. Well I won't be using any other those kinds of air conditioners. We have some we can take with us ... or I will order a normal air conditioner where the water is expelled to the outside. >The earliest posts in the message base are the most basic and will >walk those new to TCM through the basics. I'll do that. Thanks for the tip. >You might want to search >for Yin. Also for menopause. Thank you ! Victoria Dragon - cool name !!!! Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 jamie farris wrote: >I am not a practitioner but have had lots of experience with acupuncture, and sometimes some very good results. You need to ask your practioner what the diagnosis is: is it just damp or do you have some sort of other condition? > I have used here on and off the 5 years that I have lived in CT and had extremely good results. What she said is that I have too much heat in my stomach and liver. I didn't get into the details yet. >For example, the spleen qi, if it is deficient (maybe dampness can also do this, I don't know) , cannot handle the lung and stomach qi properly She said that my Chi (is that spelled correctly) is too low, but she couldn't really address the menopausal symptoms until my stomach healed quite a bit as it was pretty messed up. I was so nauseous I couldn't even drink water. I had elevated liver enzymes from my blood work so I did one of Dr. Hulda Clark's liver flushes. It didn't occur to me to go for acupuncture right away as I didn't realize how serious it was, and it costs a lot of money. Two treatments per week at $60 is a huge amount of money for us right now when we were paying $600 a month in health insurance being self employed. My husband just next week will be getting health benefits from his new job. I did 3 over 3 months. She said that 1 would have been great, but the extra two weakened my system and got it out of balance. again. >and you may have lots of stomach and lung problems. I do. but doing better. I am not on inhalers the past 7 months and my stomach is much better than two months ago. >(It's supposed to keep them moving in the proper direction). The spleen qi could be affected from the liver, the liver from the kidney, etc, etc. so you need to get the exact diagnosis from your practioner. > >I am trying to use TCM nutrition to my health problems, as I find that the healthy eating habits I thought I had were just making my problems worse - raw fruits and vegetables are a no-no for me but may be great for someone else. She said that for me raw salad vegis are hard to digest so I have been making soups and stews at home. When I deviate from that very much it doesn't go so well. So I just put Romaine lettuce et. al. into the soups and it goes much better. >I am still experimenting so I don't want to give anybody any advice that may make things worse for them, but I suggest you take your practioner's diagnosis (which may change from time to time) and one of the books suggested on this site, and see what happens. Well, she does always treat what is the worst, and she doesn't like to focus on too much at one time. I have had 3 Chinese women acupuncturists all trained in China and they all treat a little different but I have had excellent results with all of them (each in different cities which I have lived). I have quite a few large nutritional manuals and supplement manual along with the most recent Eat Right for Your Type bloodtype encyclopedia. I left them with her for her to puruse so that she can see what I have been doing for myself. She said that unfortunately American and European medicine does not have the many years of theory to tie everything together. Thanks for your email! Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi all, I´m Brazilian and practicing acupuncture and auriculotherapy. Dárcio Cat <iceisit wrote: victoria_dragon wrote: >Welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine. Thank you ! >You didn't say what part of AZ you're interested in. Flagstaff ! >Because of the >difference in altitude throughout the state, it's possible to ride >from one season into another at some points during the year. >Flagstaff has wonderful summers because it's at 7,000 feet above sea >level. Beautiful green pine trees. It runs a lot cooler than most of >the rest of the state. But because of that altitude which gives such >magnificent summers, it can snow as early as September and as late as >May. My husband and I was living in Flag one September when it >snowed. The ride down the interstate to Phoenix was like riding from >winter back into fall and then into summer. Sounds wonderful ! >While people in Flag were shoveling snow, people in Phoenix were still swimming in their >pools. > >Some of the areas around Phoenix can hit about 120 degrees F or even >higher during the summer. It was 115 in Phoenix this summer where I rented the car I drove to Flag. >Like Luke Air Force Base. Pnoenix is at >about 800 feet above sea level. The winters are mild there. Though >it can snow in Phoenix. Only happens about every 40 some years, but >it can snow there. The Yuma area runs even hotter than Phoenix >because it's at a lower altitude than Phoenix. There are a lot of >palm trees in the Phoenix area. > >The southeast corner of the state - the Sierra Vista area (4000+) and >Bisbee (higher) don't get as hot as Phoenix in the summer but doesn't >get as cold as Flag in the winter. It usually snows a little each >winter, but palm trees grow there. Interesting. >There are 3 deserts in AZ, and each have different flora and fauna. >The Mohave in the west is one. There are a lot of Josuha trees. The >Sonoran Desert is in the south central part of the state (Phoenix and >Tucson). BTW, the Sonoran Desert is the only place where those >cactii with arms will grow. Thanks for sharing those interesting details. The White Mountain area looks very interesting from what I have seen in pictures, didn't have time to get there this summer. Spent too much time horseback riding when I was there. Sedona was awesome. >Sierra Vista is in I believe the >Chihuahuan Desert. The Chihuahuan is wetter and has more vegetation >than the other two. Wet is out for me for a while, until I dry out some ;-) >AZ is great for alternative medicine. It's good for arthritis, but >it's not always good for allergies. It can get too dry in AZ, and >there can be a lot of wind in the state, especially from Feb into >early June. When wind and extreme dryness mix, people who have never >had allergies before can develop them. Also, unfortunately, a lot of >people brought with them the very things that many people are >allergic to in an attempt to make the desert bloom. Tucson has >outlawed the planting of any more mulberry trees, Russian olive >trees, and bermuda grass. I am allergic to Cottonwood, Spring grasses, Mold big time! a number of other things. Flagstaff was mostly sand and Ponderosa pines--pines are great for me. >Fungus can be a problem in the Phoenix area. I had a terrible reaction in the Phoenix area and could never live there. >There is a type of fungus that grows in that area that causes Valley Fever. All the >construction in the Phoenix area has caused a lot of the fungus to be >kicked up. > >One does need to be careful about getting too Dry in AZ after so many >years. I started out with just Damp problems but developed Dry >problems over the years. If you continue to drink enough water and >stay inside with a humidifier when it gets too dry, you whould be >ok. I have always drank a lot of water and enjoy doing so. >The nature of my primary TCM problem (Kidney Yang Deficiency) is >that I wasn't feeling thirsty when I should have and was not drinking >enough water. > >You'll need to continue to address the underlying reasons for the >allergy problems (usually a weak Spleen and/or Kidney Deficiency), or >you'll just end up developing allergies to things in your new >environment. My acupuncturist also added that if people have trouble with their stomach they don't digest things correctly and then have allergic reactions as well. >Moving to AZ didn't do a thing for my allergies (at >least not after the first year or so), but the alternative medicine, >especially TCM, I discovered in AZ did. > >As you probably already know, if you're going to drink a lot of >water, you need to be sure to eat something too. Otherwise the >electrolytes in the blood can become too dilute and create some >serious problems. I try to eat every two hours so that shouldn't be a problem. Thanks :-) >Ever so often you're hear about someone getting >the " bright " idea that in order to lose weight, they're going hiking >in the Grand Canyon or desert and carry plenty of water but nothing >to eat. They end up in serious shape and having to be air-vacced out. I have been pretty athletic all of my life and the best time to replenish muscle glycogen is eating within 70 minutes of exercise, so I always make sure to eat right. Good point. >Never camp in a wash. I didn't know that growing up in Minnesota. I mentioned what you said to my husband who has camped all over the country and he said that one cannot do that anywhere in the West really. Thanks for telling me. >A wall of water can come flooding down >washes. It may not be raining where you're at, but it can be raining >miles away, and water comes roaring down those washes. > >It's possible to be in a rainstorm and not get a drop on you because >it's so dry the raindrops evaporate before they reach the ground. >The monsoon runs from as early as late June on into hopefully >September. I was there during " monsoon " where it rained a tiny bit almost every day for a short time. The wind was blowing from a different direction as well they told me. >Because of the dryness in most of the state, most people use >evaporative coolers (aka swamp coolers) that add moisture to the air >in order to cool. These can cause you problems if you have Damp >problems. Well I won't be using any other those kinds of air conditioners. We have some we can take with us ... or I will order a normal air conditioner where the water is expelled to the outside. >The earliest posts in the message base are the most basic and will >walk those new to TCM through the basics. I'll do that. Thanks for the tip. >You might want to search >for Yin. Also for menopause. Thank you ! Victoria Dragon - cool name !!!! Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 > Flagstaff ! I loved Flagstaff. Green, beautiful, rustic. Too bad my husband and I both are bothered by cold. > Thanks for sharing those interesting details. The White Mountain area > looks very interesting from what I have seen in pictures, didn't have time > to get there this summer. Spent too much time horseback riding when I was > there. I always thought the White Mountain area looked good. They call it the AZ Alpine area. > > Sedona was awesome. Yes. Red Rock Country. > Wet is out for me for a while, until I dry out some ;-) One thing you'll discover is that dry cold can come to feel colder than damp cold. It had to warm up to the 80s before I felt warm enough whereas I now feel comfortable in more humid areas when it's in the 60s. But I have a problem with cold because of the Kidney Yang Deficiency problems. It's a physics thing. Damp air holds more heat than dry air, and heat is not the same thing as temperature. (Sorry, don't remember the details from a physics class.) > I am allergic to Cottonwood, Spring grasses, Mold big time! > a number of other things. You may want to stay out of the Cottonwood area (south of Flag) at certain times of the year. My husband and I camped at Dead Horse Ranch State Park in Cottonwood. We had our dog with us. This was during our first trip out to AZ to check it out. It was June, and the monsoon hadn't yet begun. The wind was blowing from the South, and it's the only time in my life I've ever felt hotter when the wind blew than when it didn't. Our dog started sneezing one time after another. I think he was allergic to something. It was so hot by that time (the van didn't have AC), that we had to stay put. We kept wetting the dog down, and that helped. Early the next morning we got out of that area and returned to Flagstaff. As we gained altitude, the dog quit sneezing. He didn't have that reaction in Flag or over in the eastern part of the state at Lyman Lake State Park, only in the Cottonwood area. When the cottonwoods aren't pollinating in the Cottonwood area, you might want to check out Jerome. Jerome is a former mining town perched on the side of Cleopatra Hill. It's now an arts colony. The town is sliding down the side of the " hill " . We used to joke that when the folks in Jerome drop in on the people down below, they really drop in! " Hill " doesn't do Cleopatra justice. My car developed vapor lock as we climbed it during June during another trip. We returned to Flag via the Prescott route. Didn't want to go down that " hill " . > I had a terrible reaction in the Phoenix area and could never live there. We only lived there during the cold months. When it started getting hot, we were looking around for somewhere to move to, and ended up in the Sierra Vista area. BTW, back before there were evaporative coolers, people in AZ used to hang wet sheets on their front porches and sleep outside during summer months. It was an early form of evaporative cooling. This is why a lot of the territorial era houses have big porches. They had to be big enough to accomodate the entire family sleeping on them during the hot months. BTW, as you may have discovered, all of the major networks except for I believe channel 12, NBC, which is in Flagstaff is beamed in from Phoenix. I remember a lot of nights during the summer when we were in Flag and watching the 10 pm news on Phoenix stations, temperatures in Phoenix were still above 100 or in the high 90s. > I have been pretty athletic all of my life and the best time to replenish > muscle glycogen is eating within 70 minutes of exercise, so I always make > sure to eat right. Good point. You're going to love Flagstaff. Especially if you like to hike. If you like to ski, there is the Snow Bowl. > I was there during " monsoon " where it rained a tiny bit almost every day > for a short time. The wind was blowing from a different direction as > well they told me. That's what monsoon means. Change of wind direction. The direction changes so moist air is pumped up into the SW from the Gulf of Mexico. > Well I won't be using any other those kinds of air conditioners. We > have some we can take with us ... or I will order a normal air conditioner where > the water is expelled to the outside. In Flagstaff, unless you're real hot-natured, you might not even need air conditioning if you have good ventilation in your home. The worst time in AZ during the summer is the pre-monsoon period. Both tempertature and humidity continue to rise without rain bringing down the temperature. But it will rain in Flag even before the monsoon starts. > Victoria Dragon - cool name !!!! Thanks. Oddly enough it has nothing to do with China or TCM. I chose it as a pen name for writing about alternative medicine as the result of a healing experience I had back when I was still very sick with an active case of mono. That night marked a turning point healthwise for me as I began to reclaim my power and face just how bad things were. It was a few years later that I discovered TCM and improved even more healthwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi Darcio, Welcome to ChienseHealing. Feel free to jump in anywhere with postings of TCM topics of special interest to you. We're all here to learn. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 > " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon > > > Flagstaff ! > >I loved Flagstaff. Green, beautiful, rustic. Too bad my husband and >I both are bothered by cold. > Victoria, See it while you can: Arizona's golf courses and pools get their water from aquifers, not present day rain. They are mining and wasting the treasure of the ages, and it will all be gone in our lifetimes. -dlj. _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm & pgmarket=en-ca & RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com\ %2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 victoria_dragon wrote: >One thing you'll discover is that dry cold can come to feel colder >than damp cold. It had to warm up to the 80s before I felt warm >enough whereas I now feel comfortable in more humid areas when it's >in the 60s. But I have a problem with cold because of the Kidney >Yang Deficiency problems. It's a physics thing. Damp air holds more >heat than dry air, and heat is not the same thing as temperature. >(Sorry, don't remember the details from a physics class.) I understand the principle but for my body it seems to be the opposite. When I lived in MN when it was 15 degrees down to well below zero, I loved to be out-of-doors. Here in CT when it is 25 or 33 I hate it because of the damp. It finally went down to about 17 last night and I went for a walk and felt wonderful. I like the dry cold and always liked the cold dry winter in MN best. My husband doesn't like the damp cold here either. Different body types. I wonder if there has been any research re and blood type. They have done some stuff on personality and blood type in Japan for about 60 years or more. I gave a copy of the ER4YT blood type enclyclopedia to my acupuncturist. I am interested to hear what she has to say. She is an A and I am an O and she thinks I should eat Soy. And rice makes me bloated so I generally don't eat grains. Since she wanted me to eat a more balanced meal, I have added a small amount of rice, but I could live with just protein and vegetables quite nicely. I am allergic to soy, so I only have it on rare occasions, and also I don't get the same nourishment from it that I do from lamb, beef, fish, etc. Even chicken leaves me feeling " weak. " So I am wondering about all the different types of ailments with heat and cold etc. and wonder if there is a blood type correlation. Is anyone on the list doing research of have an interest in that area. When I started the blood type diet about 6-ish year ago, that was the one most significant improvement in my health during my entire life, hence I continue to follow it. >You may want to stay out of the Cottonwood area (south of Flag) at >certain times of the year. I noticed the name of the city on the map and asked people there whether it was named after a lot of trees of the same name and of course it was. We have Cottonwoods heavy about 15 miles north of us now and when I drive through that area I can tell a difference. I drove up to Page and and the place I felt the best of anywhere in the US is Flag. When I told my husband of the toxic mold which causes fevers in Phoenix he became pretty worried, but I said Flag is so high and far away, except for a few days when the wind is just right, I cannot imagine it would be a problem there. But I had recovered very well when I was in Flag for 10 days and by the time I had sat in the Phoenix airport for 2 hours, I had a bad reaction to something there. I assumed it was the pollution. Toxic mold... figures! >My husband and I camped at Dead Horse >Ranch State Park in Cottonwood. We had our dog with us. This was >during our first trip out to AZ to check it out. It was June, and the >monsoon hadn't yet begun. The wind was blowing from the South, and >it's the only time in my life I've ever felt hotter when the wind >blew than when it didn't. Our dog started sneezing one time after >another. I think he was allergic to something. I had a cat, which I had to put to sleep this year at 23, who had all the same allergic reactions I would have. On the days I had bad days with the air here, he would be doing the same thing. >It was so hot by that time (the van didn't have AC), that we had to stay put. That would be very difficult in AZ without AC in the car. I don't know how you did it. It was one thing to walk outside for a short while in 115, quite another to spend hours in a vehicle in that heat. >We kept wetting the dog down, and that helped. Early the next morning we got >out of that area and returned to Flagstaff. As we gained altitude, >the dog quit sneezing. I noticed that too, the closer I went to Flag the better I felt. >He didn't have that reaction in Flag or over >in the eastern part of the state at Lyman Lake State Park, only in >the Cottonwood area. When I was in the desert I noticed my eyes watered from the Sage brush. Always a fly in the ointment somewhere, ha ha. I didn't feel well up in Page either. >When the cottonwoods aren't pollinating in the Cottonwood area, you >might want to check out Jerome. Jerome is a former mining town >perched on the side of Cleopatra Hill. It's now an arts colony. The >town is sliding down the side of the " hill " . We used to joke that >when the folks in Jerome drop in on the people down below, they >really drop in! " Hill " doesn't do Cleopatra justice. My car >developed vapor lock as we climbed it during June during another >trip. We returned to Flag via the Prescott route. Didn't want to go >down that " hill " . Thanks for the descriptions of the many areas. It is indeed a very interesting state with so many different types of climates and vegetation. >We only lived there during the cold months. When it started getting >hot, we were looking around for somewhere to move to, and ended up in >the Sierra Vista area. > >BTW, back before there were evaporative coolers, people in AZ used to >hang wet sheets on their front porches and sleep outside during >summer months. As dry as it is there, I suppose a little humidity would be okay. ;-) >You're going to love Flagstaff. Especially if you like to hike. If >you like to ski, there is the Snow Bowl. People there in Flag seemed so much more health conscious than the East coast. More like MN where people run all year round no matter what. I went into a coffeehouse and they were all cheering on the Tour de France - and there were cyclists, it was great! >In Flagstaff, unless you're real hot-natured, you might not even need >air conditioning if you have good ventilation in your home. People have told me that, but all the businesses have air there. When I said to my husband we might not need air he said to me " I cannot imagine you living without AC. " We'll take 'em with us just in case. We'll probably be living in a trailer in the middle of no where until we can find work, LOL. So with the solar gain during the day I'd just as soon have it around. I understand a lot of people use solar and wind power there .... I had a house near a game reserve where I chopped my own wood for the wood burning stove, but there sure isn't much in the way of wood in AZ. We have two electric oil filled raditors made in Italy and those will work just fine. > > Victoria Dragon - cool name !!!! > >Thanks. Oddly enough it has nothing to do with China or TCM. I >chose it as a pen name for writing about alternative medicine as the >result of a healing experience I had back when I was still very sick >with an active case of mono. That night marked a turning point >healthwise for me as I began to reclaim my power and face just how >bad things were. What a great experience! >It was a few years later that I discovered TCM and >improved even more healthwise. Every piece we discover is a blessing, isn't it. Thanks for your email. Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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