Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Thanks for the kind words. Fatigue was one of the worst things about cancer for me----since I had always been extremely active. Maybe since the oleander is killing cancer cells, my regular body cells are finally getting some of the nutrition I'm putting into my body!! Whatever is happening, it is most welcome. When I mentioned taking too many immune boosters it's because I read that autoimmunce diseases can be caused by an OVERACTIVE immune system. So, I thought I don't want to create another disease by taking all these immune boosters. I didn't really know how you could measure such a thing. I have seen the tbyil site and think it's great. I already do alot of what's on there. This queation was just something that had dawned on me, so I wanted to ask. I know what you mean about the progress, I'm not expecting complete eradication overnite. I am realistic. But at least seeing some results is encouraging. Once again, thanks for the supportive comments and advice. This group is comforting for cancer patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Seeing and hearing this progress is most encouraging and shows that something is already working. Maybe one of our professionals can pop in here and shed light with regard to your question as to how autoimmune diseases are born. I do know that poor health practices do contribute to them. And I believe vaccinations also. However, someone with cancer has a very weak immune system and it is imperative that this immune system be strengthened for its erradication. Hugs, oleander soup , "jlane12664" <jlane12664 wrote:>> Thanks for the kind words. Fatigue was one of the worst things about cancer for me----since I had always been extremely active. Maybe since the oleander is killing cancer cells, my regular body cells are finally getting some of the nutrition I'm putting into my body!! Whatever is happening, it is most welcome.> > When I mentioned taking too many immune boosters it's because I read that autoimmunce diseases can be caused by an OVERACTIVE immune system. So, I thought I don't want to create another disease by taking all these immune boosters. I didn't really know how you could measure such a thing. I have seen the tbyil site and think it's great. I already do alot of what's on there. This queation was just something that had dawned on me, so I wanted to ask.> > I know what you mean about the progress, I'm not expecting complete eradication overnite. I am realistic. But at least seeing some results is encouraging.> > Once again, thanks for the supportive comments and advice. This group is comforting for cancer patients.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 , I need your advice! Someone asked what therapy we were using, I'm sorry that I gave the impression that we were actually using any oleander product at this time. We are not and until now we were going to order the anvirzel from honduras. Now finding the sutherlandia I'm thinking that maybe that's the way to go. Please advise, the anvirzel is pure oleander does anyone know the amount of nerium oleander in sutherlandia? The radiation alone has knocked reids tumor down to nothing really but I'm desperate to make sure it does not get back up again. Reids doctor has already given me her blessing with the Anvirzel (thank God). As she realizes there is nothing in the way of traditional therapy that works anyway. I read a story online with caring bridge of a little girl whose tumor did the same thing after radiation just disappeared but sadly after 7 months post radiation it grew back double the original size at dx. I knew this was a possibility with his tumor and knew of the harshness of radiation but we were lead to believe that this was the only way and that death was certain in a matter of months without it. The tumor is gone as far as they can see and this doesn't normally happen. Confusion rains in the air. Reids dr is very awesome in saying that I will know in my heart what I need to do and has allowed us to make the decisions on treatment. Please help me figure out what the best route is. Thank you Rhonda Ebrom On 5/13/09, jlane12664 <jlane12664 wrote: > Thanks for the kind words. Fatigue was one of the worst things about cancer > for me----since I had always been extremely active. Maybe since the oleander > is killing cancer cells, my regular body cells are finally getting some of > the nutrition I'm putting into my body!! Whatever is happening, it is most > welcome. > > When I mentioned taking too many immune boosters it's because I read that > autoimmunce diseases can be caused by an OVERACTIVE immune system. So, I > thought I don't want to create another disease by taking all these immune > boosters. I didn't really know how you could measure such a thing. I have > seen the tbyil site and think it's great. I already do alot of what's on > there. This queation was just something that had dawned on me, so I wanted > to ask. > > I know what you mean about the progress, I'm not expecting complete > eradication overnite. I am realistic. But at least seeing some results is > encouraging. > > Once again, thanks for the supportive comments and advice. This group is > comforting for cancer patients. > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Rhonda, Yes, I realized this improvement was without your husband taking Oleander. And you are quite right. Radiation does get rid of the tumors, but too often the tumors do return and sometimes spread to other parts of the body. My dad comes to mind. He had Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. And the radiation got rid of all the tumors in his neck, which were quite big. However, the cancer immediately spread to his stomach where there was nothing they could do, and he was put on hospice. So frankly, whenever the words chemo and radiation are used I shudder. Doctors will tell you that this is the only way. But let's look at the good side. The tumors are gone and they have found nothing else throughout his body. This is the time to bring in Sutherlandia OPC, together with Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol . As much of it as he can do, all if possible. Keep in mind, cancer enters the body through a weak immune system and a liver that is not functioning properly. The radiation has most likely further compromised his immune system so it is this that must be focused on so the cancer does not return. Also, having a doctor that will agree with your wishes in following natural healing is something we do not come across very often. This is a blessing. Some do everything in the world to disillusion or even scare the patient from seeking these means. I wish you my very best and please know that we are here for you and your husband. Hugs, oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote:>> ,> I need your advice! Someone asked what therapy we were using,> I'm sorry that I gave the impression that we were actually using any> oleander product at this time. We are not and until now we were going> to order the anvirzel from honduras. Now finding the sutherlandia I'm> thinking that maybe that's the way to go. Please advise, the anvirzel> is pure oleander does anyone know the amount of nerium oleander in> sutherlandia?> The radiation alone has knocked reids tumor down to nothing> really but I'm desperate to make sure it does not get back up again.> Reids doctor has already given me her blessing with the Anvirzel> (thank God). As she realizes there is nothing in the way of> traditional therapy that works anyway.> I read a story online with caring bridge of a little girl whose> tumor did the same thing after radiation just disappeared but sadly> after 7 months post radiation it grew back double the original size at> dx. I knew this was a possibility with his tumor and knew of the> harshness of radiation but we were lead to believe that this was the> only way and that death was certain in a matter of months without it.> The tumor is gone as far as they can see and this doesn't normally> happen. Confusion rains in the air. Reids dr is very awesome in> saying that I will know in my heart what I need to do and has allowed> us to make the decisions on treatment.> Please help me figure out what the best route is. Thank you> Rhonda Ebrom> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Rhonda, The Sutherlandia OPC mixture consists of 80% oleander extract and 20% Sutherlandia Frutescens extract (that means in a 500ml bottle, there is 400ml of oleander extract and 100ml Sutherlandia extract). When the liquid is evaporated for making the capsules, the amount of dry oleander extract powder is 66mg per capsule. For the capsules, 250mg Sutherlandia powder is added to the oleander extract powder (per capsule). Marc Swanepoel - rhonda ebrom oleander soup Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:10 PM Re: Thanks ,I need your advice! Someone asked what therapy we were using,I'm sorry that I gave the impression that we were actually using anyoleander product at this time. We are not and until now we were goingto order the anvirzel from honduras. Now finding the sutherlandia I'mthinking that maybe that's the way to go. Please advise, the anvirzelis pure oleander does anyone know the amount of nerium oleander insutherlandia?The radiation alone has knocked reids tumor down to nothingreally but I'm desperate to make sure it does not get back up again.Reids doctor has already given me her blessing with the Anvirzel(thank God). As she realizes there is nothing in the way oftraditional therapy that works anyway.I read a story online with caring bridge of a little girl whosetumor did the same thing after radiation just disappeared but sadlyafter 7 months post radiation it grew back double the original size atdx. I knew this was a possibility with his tumor and knew of theharshness of radiation but we were lead to believe that this was theonly way and that death was certain in a matter of months without it.The tumor is gone as far as they can see and this doesn't normallyhappen. Confusion rains in the air. Reids dr is very awesome insaying that I will know in my heart what I need to do and has allowedus to make the decisions on treatment.Please help me figure out what the best route is. Thank youRhonda EbromOn 5/13/09, jlane12664 <jlane12664 > wrote:> Thanks for the kind words. Fatigue was one of the worst things about cancer> for me----since I had always been extremely active. Maybe since the oleander> is killing cancer cells, my regular body cells are finally getting some of> the nutrition I'm putting into my body!! Whatever is happening, it is most> welcome.>> When I mentioned taking too many immune boosters it's because I read that> autoimmunce diseases can be caused by an OVERACTIVE immune system. So, I> thought I don't want to create another disease by taking all these immune> boosters. I didn't really know how you could measure such a thing. I have> seen the tbyil site and think it's great. I already do alot of what's on> there. This queation was just something that had dawned on me, so I wanted> to ask.>> I know what you mean about the progress, I'm not expecting complete> eradication overnite. I am realistic. But at least seeing some results is> encouraging.>> Once again, thanks for the supportive comments and advice. This group is> comforting for cancer patients.>>-- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Marc, Thank you for your fast reply. Is there a link or page as to where I could find what the appropriate dosing for the sutherlandia/oleander would be? Reid was approved for the Anvirzel at 1.2 cc every 5 hours sublingually. When asked why the dosing was higher than most she said that it was due to the roaute of administration, it is sublingual dosing rather than the original IM injection. And the ways of metabolizing are different therefore he would need more sublingual than he would via IM. So my question how is the dosing different/better/or equal to that of the Anvirzel? Do diff cancer types I.e., breast, colon, brain require different dosing schedules and amount? I'm so confused and appreciate all that yall are doing/have done for us! Thank you Rhonda On 5/14/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan wrote: > Rhonda, > The Sutherlandia OPC mixture consists of 80% oleander extract and 20% > Sutherlandia Frutescens extract (that means in a 500ml bottle, there is > 400ml of oleander extract and 100ml Sutherlandia extract). When the liquid > is evaporated for making the capsules, the amount of dry oleander extract > powder is 66mg per capsule. For the capsules, 250mg Sutherlandia powder is > added to the oleander extract powder (per capsule). > Marc Swanepoel > - > rhonda ebrom > oleander soup > Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:10 PM > Re: Thanks > > > > > > , > I need your advice! Someone asked what therapy we were using, > I'm sorry that I gave the impression that we were actually using any > oleander product at this time. We are not and until now we were going > to order the anvirzel from honduras. Now finding the sutherlandia I'm > thinking that maybe that's the way to go. Please advise, the anvirzel > is pure oleander does anyone know the amount of nerium oleander in > sutherlandia? > The radiation alone has knocked reids tumor down to nothing > really but I'm desperate to make sure it does not get back up again. > Reids doctor has already given me her blessing with the Anvirzel > (thank God). As she realizes there is nothing in the way of > traditional therapy that works anyway. > I read a story online with caring bridge of a little girl whose > tumor did the same thing after radiation just disappeared but sadly > after 7 months post radiation it grew back double the original size at > dx. I knew this was a possibility with his tumor and knew of the > harshness of radiation but we were lead to believe that this was the > only way and that death was certain in a matter of months without it. > The tumor is gone as far as they can see and this doesn't normally > happen. Confusion rains in the air. Reids dr is very awesome in > saying that I will know in my heart what I need to do and has allowed > us to make the decisions on treatment. > Please help me figure out what the best route is. Thank you > Rhonda Ebrom > > On 5/13/09, jlane12664 <jlane12664 wrote: > > Thanks for the kind words. Fatigue was one of the worst things about > cancer > > for me----since I had always been extremely active. Maybe since the > oleander > > is killing cancer cells, my regular body cells are finally getting some > of > > the nutrition I'm putting into my body!! Whatever is happening, it is > most > > welcome. > > > > When I mentioned taking too many immune boosters it's because I read > that > > autoimmunce diseases can be caused by an OVERACTIVE immune system. So, I > > thought I don't want to create another disease by taking all these > immune > > boosters. I didn't really know how you could measure such a thing. I > have > > seen the tbyil site and think it's great. I already do alot of what's on > > there. This queation was just something that had dawned on me, so I > wanted > > to ask. > > > > I know what you mean about the progress, I'm not expecting complete > > eradication overnite. I am realistic. But at least seeing some results > is > > encouraging. > > > > Once again, thanks for the supportive comments and advice. This group is > > comforting for cancer patients. > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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